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I would rather have Don & Mike over the Radio Chick

Don & Mike didn't work doing middays at WNEW. They had to deal with the bashing from Opie & Anthony. I don't believe middays was the right spot for them in NYC. I think they could be successful now in pm drive. I would listen to them along with Mike & The Dog and Broadway Bill Lee. I tried to listen to the Radio Chick. I don't dig her schtick.
 
> Don & Mike didn't work doing middays at WNEW. They had to
> deal with the bashing from Opie & Anthony. I don't believe
> middays was the right spot for them in NYC. I think they
> could be successful now in pm drive. I would listen to them
> along with Mike & The Dog and Broadway Bill Lee. I tried to
> listen to the Radio Chick. I don't dig her schtick.
>

I agree the Radio Chick is not going to work, but D&M wouldn't either. The whole free fm,, fm talk/ shock talk or whatever the hell they are trying to do is simply not going to work. They had an excellent opportunity to make it really work if they put Stern on mornings & O&A on afternoons, but they blew it<P ID="signature">______________
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> I agree the Radio Chick is not going to work, but D&M
> wouldn't either. The whole free fm,, fm talk/ shock talk or
> whatever the hell they are trying to do is simply not going
> to work. They had an excellent opportunity to make it
> really work if they put Stern on mornings & O&A on
> afternoons, but they blew it

I know NY is it's own market, but FreeFM has worked in LA, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, and elsewhere under different names, albeit still operated by Infinity, now CBS. These aren't nothing markets. When music starts migrating off FM and talk takes its place on the band, people had better learn how to program compelling talk to younger demos, because anyone who's going to want to reach someone under 50 will have to include talk in their strategy. And WABC isn't going to be it.
 
> ... anyone who's going to want to reach someone under 50
> will have to include talk in their strategy. And WABC isn't
> going to be it.

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> but D&M
> wouldn't either.

and How do you know that? You can speculate all you want, but The only way to find out is to put them in PM Drive.
 
> Don & Mike didn't work doing middays at WNEW. They had to
> deal with the bashing from Opie & Anthony. I don't believe
> middays was the right spot for them in NYC. I think they
> could be successful now in pm drive. I would listen to them
> along with Mike & The Dog and Broadway Bill Lee. I tried to
> listen to the Radio Chick. I don't dig her schtick.
>

They weren't successful in Philadelphia or buffalo I don't think they would ever be successful in New York in afternoons. There show was soo boring and hacky there only successful on little am radio stations down south yeee haaaa! Remember this great bit when the METs lost the world series in 2000??

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> > but D&M
> > wouldn't either.
>
> and How do you know that? You can speculate all you want,
> but The only way to find out is to put them in PM Drive.
>

When they were on in NYC they were getting a 0.5. I will repeat that when they were in NYC they were getting a 0.5. Fact of the matter is while they were not in the best timeslot any show that is worth anything in a market would be able to do better than a ZERO POINT FIVE even if they were not in a good timeslot. <P ID="signature">______________
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> > I agree the Radio Chick is not going to work, but D&M
> > wouldn't either. The whole free fm,, fm talk/ shock talk
> or
> > whatever the hell they are trying to do is simply not
> going
> > to work. They had an excellent opportunity to make it
> > really work if they put Stern on mornings & O&A on
> > afternoons, but they blew it
>
> I know NY is it's own market, but FreeFM has worked in LA,
> Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, and elsewhere under different
> names, albeit still operated by Infinity, now CBS. These
> aren't nothing markets. When music starts migrating off FM
> and talk takes its place on the band, people had better
> learn how to program compelling talk to younger demos,
> because anyone who's going to want to reach someone under 50
> will have to include talk in their strategy. And WABC isn't
> going to be it.
>

I agree I'm just saying it needs the right names to work. Infinity had a great opportunity at getting that done in NYC years ago with Stern mornings & putting O&A in the afternoons on K-Rock insread of NEW, but they screwed that up<P ID="signature">______________
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> > I agree the Radio Chick is not going to work, but D&M
> > wouldn't either. The whole free fm,, fm talk/ shock talk
> or
> > whatever the hell they are trying to do is simply not
> going
> > to work. They had an excellent opportunity to make it
> > really work if they put Stern on mornings & O&A on
> > afternoons, but they blew it
>
> I know NY is it's own market, but FreeFM has worked in LA,
> Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, and elsewhere under different
> names, albeit still operated by Infinity, now CBS. These
> aren't nothing markets. When music starts migrating off FM
> and talk takes its place on the band, people had better
> learn how to program compelling talk to younger demos,
> because anyone who's going to want to reach someone under 50
> will have to include talk in their strategy. And WABC isn't
> going to be it.
>


Howard Stern carried those Hot Talk FMs you mentioned. Without him they could have been in below 1 share land, which is where they may be headed now. The only exception may be Dallas where they have a popular PM drive host.
 
> > > but D&M
> > > wouldn't either.
> >
> > and How do you know that? You can speculate all you want,
> > but The only way to find out is to put them in PM Drive.
> >
>
> When they were on in NYC they were getting a 0.5. I will
> repeat that when they were in NYC they were getting a 0.5.
> Fact of the matter is while they were not in the best
> timeslot any show that is worth anything in a market would
> be able to do better than a ZERO POINT FIVE even if they
> were not in a good timeslot.
>

That was MIDDAYS! And I will repeat...that was MIDDAYS. Free-fm should have gone Mancow for AM Drive and D&M for PM Drive, with maybe the Chick on middays. Not as good as Stern and O&A anchoring the station, but still way better than what they have now. At least they would have a chance of creating some buzz for the staion.
 
>
> Howard Stern carried those Hot Talk FMs you mentioned.
> Without him they could have been in below 1 share land,
> which is where they may be headed now. The only exception
> may be Dallas where they have a popular PM drive host.

Right. Tom Leykis getting near-double digit shares in his home market of 81 stations is truly insignificant. :)
 
Re: Personally

I would much rather have a "WMMR" type format on that frequency...Oh Wait I forgot NYC is NOT a "Rock Town." That's just my opinion. Don and Mike were OK at BEST, but nothing to write home about either. Honestly, the "Talent Pool" cannot be that scarce...
 
> > > > but D&M
> > > > wouldn't either.
> > >
> > > and How do you know that? You can speculate all you
> want,
> > > but The only way to find out is to put them in PM Drive.
>
> > >
> >
> > When they were on in NYC they were getting a 0.5. I will
> > repeat that when they were in NYC they were getting a 0.5.
>
> > Fact of the matter is while they were not in the best
> > timeslot any show that is worth anything in a market would
>
> > be able to do better than a ZERO POINT FIVE even if they
> > were not in a good timeslot.
> >
>
> That was MIDDAYS! And I will repeat...that was MIDDAYS.
> Free-fm should have gone Mancow for AM Drive and D&M for PM
> Drive, with maybe the Chick on middays. Not as good as Stern
> and O&A anchoring the station, but still way better than
> what they have now. At least they would have a chance of
> creating some buzz for the staion.
>


Yes it was middays, HOWEVER THEY HAD A ZERO POINT FIVE. While their show is more suited for Afternoon Drive, ANY show that would even do halfway decent in afternoon drive would be able to post better than a ZERO POINT FIVE, even if they were in a timeslot that was a poor fit for their style show. In other words while Middays was a bad slot for them and they are more suited for afternoon drive, if they had even the slighest chance of doing even just ok in NYC during afternoon drive they would have been able to post something better than a ZERO PIINT FIVE in middays.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Don & Mike didn't work doing middays at WNEW. They had to
> deal with the bashing from Opie & Anthony. I don't believe
> middays was the right spot for them in NYC. I think they
> could be successful now in pm drive. I would listen to them
> along with Mike & The Dog and Broadway Bill Lee. I tried to
> listen to the Radio Chick. I don't dig her schtick.
>


Here's a shocking idea....if you don't like her, don't listen
 
>
> Yes it was middays, HOWEVER THEY HAD A ZERO POINT FIVE.
> While their show is more suited for Afternoon Drive, ANY
> show that would even do halfway decent in afternoon drive
> would be able to post better than a ZERO POINT FIVE, even if
> they were in a timeslot that was a poor fit for their style
> show. In other words while Middays was a bad slot for them
> and they are more suited for afternoon drive, if they had
> even the slighest chance of doing even just ok in NYC during
> afternoon drive they would have been able to post something
> better than a ZERO PIINT FIVE in middays.
>

I guess I have to repeat this
"You can speculate all you want,but The only way to find out is to put them in PM Drive."

The End
 
> >
> > Yes it was middays, HOWEVER THEY HAD A ZERO POINT FIVE.
> > While their show is more suited for Afternoon Drive, ANY
> > show that would even do halfway decent in afternoon drive
> > would be able to post better than a ZERO POINT FIVE, even
> if
> > they were in a timeslot that was a poor fit for their
> style
> > show. In other words while Middays was a bad slot for
> them
> > and they are more suited for afternoon drive, if they had
> > even the slighest chance of doing even just ok in NYC
> during
> > afternoon drive they would have been able to post
> something
> > better than a ZERO PIINT FIVE in middays.
> >
>
> I guess I have to repeat this
> "You can speculate all you want,but The only way to find out
> is to put them in PM Drive."
>
> The End
>

Any show that is getting under a 1 share in Middays does not deserve a slot in Afternoon Drive, even though their show as a whole might be a better afternoon drive fit. You don't put a show in Afternoon Drive that failed so misreably during middays.<P ID="signature">______________
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>their show as a whole might be a better afternoon drive fit.
>

Whether or not they deserve a chance at PM Drive, what you wrote is right.
BTW, who would you give a shot to for PM Drive on Free-FM in New York? Or maybe you like the Radio Chick show??
 
> >their show as a whole might be a better afternoon drive
> fit.
> >
>
> Whether or not they deserve a chance at PM Drive, what you
> wrote is right.
> BTW, who would you give a shot to for PM Drive on Free-FM in
> New York? Or maybe you like the Radio Chick show??
>


Just because their show would be a better fit in Afternoon drive doesn't mean they should get it. They had their chance in NY, and failed misreably, when you fail as badly as they did they shouldn't get another chance.

As far as the Radio chick show, I don't like her show either, and I don't think she deseves the slot either. also a better fit in Afternoon Drive, and like D&M was on Middays in NY and got poor ratings there (though they were better than the abysmal numbers D&M had. Quite frankly I think the whole free Fm thing should be blown up. They had a chance to do it right with Stern mornings, and O&A afternoons, they blew it bigtime. The type of format isn't really viable right now with the bigboys of the genre on Satelite. Most of the markets it has worked in the past it did so with Stern or a big name market figure (which their is none in NY). Right now the station is basically what NEW was when it was hot talk, but it has no O&A (or show of the ilk that will get the ratings) to keep the station above water.

Bottom line no the Chick isn't the answer in Afternoons, D&M wouldn't be either, DLR isn't the answer in mornings. While they needed to make changes becuase K-Rock was doomed without Stern, the Free fm mess they have now is far from the answer. The format can work, and Infinity had the chance to make the format work. However they screwed the pooch bad from the start with O&A, then screwed it worse with the way they handled their departure, and then the lay down and die attitude on part of Infinity in part played a role in Stern leaving. The pieces aren't there to make it work in NY, they are on satelite. They had the chance for it, and screwed it (if they actually dealt with everything the way they should have dealt with it chances are the format would be a success now, and you might still have the building blocks in place on terretial radio with Infinity that would have made it work (Stern, O&A), and even if they did bolt you would have had a much better chance at actually being able to use middays or evenings to build a replacement for them that actually had a following. However they did not. As a result both shows are gone (the argument could be made that the FCC played a role, but them laying down & dying did as well), because of the way they situated the shows, and not building the free fm idea with them together earlier, they screwed anychance of being able to get a show that would be able to have an audience. Just blow up the whole station, its a mess all around<P ID="signature">______________
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I do agree that Free-FM should be blown up, but that's not gonna happen too soon. I still say that Mancow and D&M anchoring the station, while not great would be better than what they have now. Judging by your reply I do notice you are a huge O&A fan which explains your not wanting D&M to do PM Drive. That's okay...we'll see what happens with this Free-FM, hopefully it will go away.
 
> I do agree that Free-FM should be blown up, but that's not
> gonna happen too soon. I still say that Mancow and D&M
> anchoring the station, while not great would be better than
> what they have now. Judging by your reply I do notice you
> are a huge O&A fan which explains your not wanting D&M to do
> PM Drive. That's okay...we'll see what happens with this
> Free-FM, hopefully it will go away.
>

Me being an O&A fan has nothing to do with me not wanting D&M in NYC. It simply has to do with the fact D&M did so poorly the last time they were on in NYC, they don't deserve another chance. Mancow is a possibility, and would be better than DLR (though I doubt Mancow will do all that well. As bad as the radio Chick's show is I think its a better fit in NYC afternoon drive than D&M would be. They are both brutal fits in my mind, but the simple fact that as bad as both shows did in NYC (& they both did brutal) Radio Chick did better the last time around, so if you had to pick her show or D&M I would say hes is betetr in that slot (though neither one should be there) Though I agree hopefully Free-Fm goes away, they had a chance to make it work & blew it bigtime<P ID="signature">______________
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