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Ibiquity caught trying to pull a fast one!

K

KB1OKL

ibiquity was caught by DIYmedia in a little, ahem... fib ;D on it's own website. They repeatedly try to steer interested party's to HDRadio.com which they own, but try to pass off as if it is an interested third party, they try to pass it off as "a website maintained by a third party that is not related to iBiquity Digital Corporation".

This is absolute malarkey as the reporter that discovered it writes:

"I call bullsh*t, and it's an easy one. Any simple WHOIS domain-name search turns up the obvious: iBiquity owns HDRadio.com. Administrative and technical contacts point straight back to the corporate HQ."

DIYmedia also writes:

My question is, why all the disclaimage? And are you really that clueless, iBiquity? Are you effectively denying the validity/credibility of your consumer-marketing claims? (After all, HDRadio.com is the company's consumer-marketing portal.)

My question is: Is ibiquity that desperate that they will resort to complete BS that even non computer savvy people can easily disprove?

(This discussion got derailed once, please let us try to keep it here for all to see.)

More interesting reading at:

http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0209.htm#022309
 
KB1OKL did duly report:

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My question is: Is ibiquity that desperate that they will resort to complete BS that even non computer savvy people can easily disprove?

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As I reported on this here message board long ago and far away, Mr. Struble has a really big problem. There are several speculative investors who have all sorts of cash tied up in this company and they are starting to look for their payback. Bobby sold them quite a bill of goods. You do have to give him credit for being an awfully good salesman.

At any rate, it is imperative that he muster enough income momentum to take the company public before the investing boys get angry. If this does NOT happen then he is in a good deal of trouble with a good number of speculative investors who stand to lose a good deal of money.
 
In another, more subtle bit of dishonesty, it was reported yesterday that Geico and the HD Alliance were the top national radio advertisers for the week of February 16-22.

But in terms of a real paying client: which one actually looks, crawls and hisses like a lizard and which one is merely painted green?

C5
 
Geez, lets get real... This is the phrase stated...

"a website maintained by a third party that is not related to iBiquity Digital Corporation"

If you purchase a website and allow another party to administer what is on it, are they related to you?

I own a website which is adminitered by another party. Unlike HDradio.com, it is nothing I really care about. However I own the domain and another entity maintains it. I have actually never even met the person who maintains it. (Although we did talk on the phone one time). He's a good guy who supported me a long time ago, and frankly for the pittance I spend to allow them to exist, I chalk it up to karma. (And I use the email server as well)

You folks are WAY too paranoid.

Stay tuned, though.

Art Bell may return.

Clouseau
 
Just to point out that disclaimer is pretty common these days. You click on any link from MySpace and it comes up.

DIY doesn't mention that there also is a clear and obvious link at the bottom of the hdradio page to www.ibiquity.com. If the intention was to deceive, they would not leave such a clue there.
 
radioracket said:
Obviously, in their haste to get up that disclaimer, the bunglers forgot a not so apparent link at the bottom of the page - just more ammunition for the Federal Trade Commission investigators to show that the disclaimer wasn't always present. A pure case of business fraud, that iBiquity owns hdradio.com and contact links point straight back to iBiquity, yet they deny all of their own consumer-marketing claims.
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Huh? Nowhere do they disclaim ownership. Just maintenance.
 
radioracket said:
This makes hiding behind their disclaimer even more fraudulent the fact that they don't claim ownership, but are "effectively denying the validity/credibility of their consumer-marketing claims."
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I'll repeat my previous post, since you have trouble reading:

Nowhere do they disclaim ownership. Just maintenance.

As I said, this is a very common disclaimer.

By the way, reinterpretting things to suit your own purposes is also a form of fraud. So that puts you in the same class as them.
 
radioracket said:
then denying the validity/credibility of their consumer-marketing claims on hdradio.com is fraudulent.
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They aren't denying anything. YOU are. So YOU are perpetrating the fraud here, not them.

radioracket said:
Claiming maintenance by a third party is fraudulent,
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No it isn't. It's factual. Stating or implying that they maintain the site, when they in fact subcontract to a service, would be fraudulent.

radioracket said:
Trying to twist the facts is not going to fool investigators, or anyone readng this board.
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That's right. I'm not fooled at all by your attempts to twist facts. You're a fraud.
 
radioracket said:
Just like the previous thread on this very subject, you are attempting at getting it derailed by name-calling
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I didn't call you a name. I stated a fact. Big difference.

radioracket said:
Here are some of HD Radio's claims that now have ben denied by iBiquity, as owners and maintainers of the site (with links straight back to iBiquity HQ for support),
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And then you proceed to derail the subject of this thread. But you bring it back around at the end for a big finish:

radioracket said:
As owners of hdradio.com iBiquity is legally responsible for what is posted on that site.
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They never said they weren't responsible for what was posted on the site. Just that they don't maintain it. That's all they said.
 
TheBigA said:
I'll repeat my previous post, since you have trouble reading:
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Here we go again; more insulting condescension courtesy of the TheBigA who is living up to his name as usual, I think it is was karma that made him choose that name :D. Just ignore this guy radioracket, that's what most of us do here usually, when he doesn't get arguments going (which seems to be his sole purpose in posting here) he usually slinks away and irritates little kids in some sand box someplace.
 
Ah yes...only YOU are allowed to insult and argue with people. Rule #1 on this board...if you don't hate HD, and continually seek out reasons why it's the biggest scam in America, then you must ipso facto love HD.
 
Silkie said:
iBiquity has finally been exposed.
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iBiquity caught in inquity.
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In fact many of us call them exactly that but we usually capitalize the N: iNiquity, this in keeping with their hi-tech aspirations of course, it's because of all the respect we have for this straight shooting company above board.
 
It would be interesting to know how many RF engineers thought HD radio was worth investing THEIR money with ibiquity.
 
Tom Wells said:
It would be interesting to know how many RF engineers thought HD radio was worth investing THEIR money with ibiquity.
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...which is why HD Radio was marketed directly to management and owners, over the heads of engineers. I suspect that if it had been marketed to engineers, it would have died on the table.
 
radioracket mused:

I'de certanly rank Struble's persuasive powers right up their with the best of them, but the disclaimer has shown how difficult it is to cover all of the lies. Struble certainly has something over his investors, considering that they should have bailed out a long time ago - no investor wants to be the first to admit to the group that they all have been scammed.
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I find it fascinating that he has survived to this point in time but he is, after all, a very slick sales person. So who is zooming who?

And dumber than a box of hair predicted:

...which is why HD Radio was marketed directly to management and owners, over the heads of engineers. I suspect that if it had been marketed to engineers, it would have died on the table.
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Both of you are incredibly well-informed. No doubt you you both know "the REST of the story" too!
 
dumber than a box of hair said:
Tom Wells said:
It would be interesting to know how many RF engineers thought HD radio was worth investing THEIR money with ibiquity.
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...which is why HD Radio was marketed directly to management and owners, over the heads of engineers. I suspect that if it had been marketed to engineers, it would have died on the table.
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It managed to limp out into the parking lot AMA where it caught a taxi and collapsed into the back seat, it was last seen reeling down near the Bowery where it isn't expected to last the night.
 
None of these are "new disclaimers," and the last one you note is exactly how this thread started. So we've gone full circle.
 
dumber than a box of hair said:
Tom Wells said:
It would be interesting to know how many RF engineers thought HD radio was worth investing THEIR money with ibiquity.
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...which is why HD Radio was marketed directly to management and owners, over the heads of engineers. I suspect that if it had been marketed to engineers, it would have died on the table.
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And to me this is one aspect about HD Radio that is so telling. If HD Radio was as wonderful as claimed you would think every engineer would be on board. Instead, we see the engineering community being deeply divided over it. This should serve as a red flag for station owners, I would think.

The contract engineer who was helping me with my CP hates HD-AM.

C5
 
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