iBiquity not attending September 2006 NAB Show - space now sold out !

[SayNoToIBOC]

iBiquity is not even listed, as an exhibitor, for the September 2006 NAB Show - something is going on, with Walsh resigning as CFO ! BTW, exhibit space is sold out - this was confirmed by Mark Ramsey !

http://www.nabradioshow.com/exhibitors/exhibitors.asp?letter=*

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

"Radio Ink (4/20/06) says that an HD radio will be on the Las Vegas Convention Center grounds during NAB 2006, in a radio station's van. There is NO mention at all of iBiquity. Here's part of the blurb: The NAB has announced that Beasley’s KSTJ-FM Las Vegas will feature HD Radio multicasting technology from its "HD Radio Van" Monday, April 24 in the Silver Lot of the Las Vegas Convention Center. Tours of the mobile "HD Radio Van" will offer an "insiders-view" of HD Radio."

Wow, what a presence - one HD radio ! Well, if this is true, looks like iBiquity's lies and deceitfulness may be catching up with them !

 

[pullitin]

I love IBOC it is the best !

WE KNOW!! IT KICKS BUTT!!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Boy, get a life - it is only repetitive, boring terrestrial radio ! Wow !

 

[pullitin]

Boy, get a life - it is only repetitive, boring terrestrial radio ! Wow !

HMMMMMMMMMMMM,
SEEMS TO ME............
YOU MUST BE A XM OR SIRIUS WORKER, OR SOMETHING.
YOU KEEP PUTING DOWN TERRESTIAL RADIO. AND EVEN YOUR LITTLE AMAZON POST YOU PUT DOWN, SAD ATTEMPT TO SAVE TERRESTIAL RADIO. VERY SAD DUDE. YOU MUST BE SCARD THAT HD RADIO IS GOING TO KILL OUT SAT. RADIO.
VERY SAD.
I GOT YOU FIGURED OUT.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

pulleditout wrote: "HMMMMMMMMMMMM, SEEMS TO ME............ YOU MUST BE A XM OR SIRIUS WORKER, OR SOMETHING. YOU KEEP PUTING DOWN TERRESTIAL RADIO. AND EVEN YOUR LITTLE AMAZON POST YOU PUT DOWN, SAD ATTEMPT TO SAVE TERRESTIAL RADIO. VERY SAD DUDE. YOU MUST BE SCARD THAT HD RADIO IS GOING TO KILL OUT SAT. RADIO. VERY SAD.I GOT YOU FIGURED OUT."

Actually, I am a C++/UNIX senior software engineer in the Intelligence Community in Northern Virginia (CIA, DIA, NGA, NRO, etc.) on a project that is suspended, so I am looking around at different opportunities - as you can tell, I have plenty of time on my hands ! And, I am an AM Dx'er/SWL and love terrestrial radio, but hate IBOC because it will ruin the broadcast bands with adjacent-channel interference and poor propagation properties. Actually, I thought my Amazon post was well-written (and I have incorporated a few changes from suggestions here), and certainly has received plenty of positive votes, along with HippoRadio's excellent review. Last night, the Receptor HD was driven all the way to 7,600 on Amazon's electronics list, but now has rebounded to 5,700 (Oh, my God !). I have no interest in getting HD Radio, or Satellite Radio - I wouldn't waste the money. I just bring up AOL Radio, and listen to it free, while I post - that is why Wi-Max/Internet Radio/Wireless Internet/Wi-Fi are going to kill HD Radio, and probably Satellite Radio, too. I am glad, you have me figured out, now !

 

[calstymes]

Here is a bit of 'C' code which even a junior software engineer can understand and might help everyone else figure this out:

/* Enter (post | bait) loop */
while(SayNoToIBOC == (post | bait)) {
if(IBOCRocks != reply_directly && pullitin != reply_directly)
/* Both IBOCRocks AND pullitin must NOT reply directly to SayNoToIBOC in order to
* break out of the (post | bait) loop */
break;

/* Otherwise if either IBOCRocks OR pullitin reply_directly to SayNoToIBOC we automatically
* go back to the top of the (post | bait) loop and can't break out */
}

/* The loop breaks here and we are all happy again */
SayNoToIBOC = leaves_forum;

 

[SUPERCASTER]

pulleditout wrote: "HMMMMMMMMMMMM, SEEMS TO ME............ YOU MUST BE A XM OR SIRIUS WORKER, OR SOMETHING. YOU KEEP PUTING DOWN TERRESTIAL RADIO. AND EVEN YOUR LITTLE AMAZON POST YOU PUT DOWN, SAD ATTEMPT TO SAVE TERRESTIAL RADIO. VERY SAD DUDE. YOU MUST BE SCARD THAT HD RADIO IS GOING TO KILL OUT SAT. RADIO. VERY SAD.I GOT YOU FIGURED OUT."

Actually, I am a C++/UNIX senior software engineer in the Intelligence Community in Northern Virginia (CIA, DIA, NGA, NRO, etc.) on a project that is suspended, so I am looking around at different opportunities - as you can tell, I have plenty of time on my hands ! And, I am an AM Dx'er/SWL and love terrestrial radio, but hate IBOC because it will ruin the broadcast bands with adjacent-channel interference and poor propagation properties. Actually, I thought my Amazon post was well-written (and I have incorporated a few changes from suggestions here), and certainly has received plenty of positive votes, along with HippoRadio's excellent review. Last night, the Receptor HD was driven all the way to 7,600 on Amazon's electronics list, but now has rebounded to 5,700 (Oh, my God !). I have no interest in getting HD Radio, or Satellite Radio - I wouldn't waste the money. I just bring up AOL Radio, and listen to it free, while I post - that is why Wi-Max/Internet Radio/Wireless Internet/Wi-Fi are going to kill HD Radio, and probably Satellite Radio, too. I am glad, you have me figured out, now !

You should write some fancy new apps for WiMax and the streaming radio tsunami that is about to flatten HD Radio.
2010 projected weeky cumes:
Weekly Terrestrial and HD listening in 2010= 271.41 million
Weekly streaming listening in 2010 (internet, wireless, mobile phone, podcasting)= 324.07 million
Streaming beats total broadcast over the air listening, and the margin favors streaming even more by 2020.

http://www.www.bridgeratings.com/press_031006-digitalprojectionsupdwradio.htm

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Cal Wrote : Here is a bit of 'C' code which even a junior software engineer can understand and might help everyone else figure this out:

/* Enter (post | bait) loop */
while(SayNoToIBOC == (post | bait)) {
if(IBOCRocks != reply_directly && pullitin != reply_directly)
/* Both IBOCRocks AND pullitin must NOT reply directly to SayNoToIBOC in order to
* break out of the (post | bait) loop */
break;

/* Otherwise if either IBOCRocks OR pullitin reply_directly to SayNoToIBOC we automatically
* go back to the top of the (post | bait) loop and can't break out */
}

/* The loop breaks here and we are all happy again */
SayNoToIBOC = leaves_forum


Actually, your "C" code is quite unreadable and would not work correctly. The "while" loop should be using the "or" operator "||", instead). This "junior software engineer" code would not have even worked correctly - would have stayed in an endless loop !

while ((SayNoToIBOC == post) || (SayNoToIBOC == bait))
{
if ((IBOCRocks != reply_directly) && (pullitin != reply_directly))
{
break;
}
}

SayNoToIBOC = leaves_forum;

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

SUPERCASTER wrote: "You should write some fancy new apps for WiMax and the streaming radio tsunami that is about to flatten HD Radio.2010 projected weeky cumes:Weekly Terrestrial and HD listening in 2010= 271.41 millionWeekly streaming listening in 2010 (internet, wireless, mobile phone, podcasting)= 324.07 millionStreaming beats total broadcast over the air listening, and the margin favors streaming even more by 2020"

Believe me, I would much rather be programming streaming radio apps, than work in the IC community - I have seen too many projects fail, and like ours, being suspended (a lot of the apps are very complex and
with the lack of decent requirements and constant code changes, thinks do not always work out). It is amazing, even with the projected cumes in front of them, IBOC supporters won't even admit that HD Radio is a lost cause - obviously, that is why their replies are full of personal attacks.

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Some more distortiona and lying about iBiquity

iBiquity is not even listed, as an exhibitor, for the September 2006 NAB Show - something is going on, with Walsh resigning as CFO ! BTW, exhibit space is sold out - this was confirmed by Mark Ramsey !

You have never been to a Fall NAB Radio Show, have you? There is only a tiny exhibit space, maybe the size of a soccer field if that. Most vendors do NOT exhibit.

However, there are a series of engineering programs prior to the start of the full convention (which gets 5 to 7 thousand attendance vs. 100,000 for the Spring NAB) about HD, and the kick-off session is about HD.

In all, there are 6 engineering and management seminars about HD.

Most people do not attend the NAB Fall meeting as it is very limited in scope. They are trying to expand it this year by combining with the R&R affair, so programming is not on the NAB agenda: This year R&R and the National Association of Broadcasters will hold their conventions side by side on Sept. 20-22, 2006 at the Hilton Anatole Hotel in Dallas.

Again, you have distorted the truth by posting about exhibit space, which at this point is quite unnecessary for iBiquity as Harris, BE and Nautel have HD equipment in their spaces.

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

HMMMMMMMMMMMM,
SEEMS TO ME............
YOU MUST BE A XM OR SIRIUS WORKER, OR SOMETHING.
YOU KEEP PUTING DOWN TERRESTIAL RADIO. AND EVEN YOUR LITTLE AMAZON POST YOU PUT DOWN, SAD ATTEMPT TO SAVE TERRESTIAL RADIO. VERY SAD DUDE. YOU MUST BE SCARD THAT HD RADIO IS GOING TO KILL OUT SAT. RADIO.
VERY SAD.
I GOT YOU FIGURED OUT.

Whatever or whoever he is, he is right on the money.

I have close to 40 years in the radio business, having done everything in radio except sales...and never have I seen this business make so many major blunders in so short a period of time as they are making with HD Radio:

--Acceptance of a system that causes adjacent-channel interference, especially on the AM band. We already have mounting evidence that the HD carriers cause interference over wide areas (hundreds of miles), within the IF contours of the stations they're interfering with.

--Total ignorance of economics and programming. They propose to double (or more) the number of FM signals in each market. Where are those listeners going to come from, when all they're programming on the HD2 channels are either proven dead formats or niche formats for which there has never been any sort of mass audience to justify time sales (which, after all, is the name of this game)? Once the two-year voluntary moritorium on advertising on HD2 channels is over, what advertiser is going to buy time on a channel with no provable audience? You already have a heavily fragmented FM dial, and now the industry proposes to fragment it even further? Further, what corporation which owns radio stations is going to invest the time and money in audio streams with no return for TWO YEARS???

--Ignorance of radio's own history. NEVER has a new technology, by itself, caused an increase in listeners, without an outside influence (for example, the FCC's split-programming edict in 1967)...but the radio industry is convinced that HD Radio will bring back those listeners they have lost to other media. The reason those listeners have moved on is content, not technology...and putting the exact same content on AM-HD and FM-HD1 is not going to get them back. Content is what drove music listeners to FM (a better-sounding medium) beginning about 30 years ago, but nothing is being done about content now...just the same commercial-laden drivel.

--A tragic failure of marketing. My local Tweeter Etc. has a BA Receptor in its window, complete with a Terk amplified indoor antenna. The radio picks up exactly nothing, despite the fact that there are a good number of FM-HD signals in the area. What an ad for the product, huh? The big-box and wholesale retailers don't carry the product at all, and when you inquire about it, their sales folk assume that "HD" means HDTV or satellite radio. The few ads I've heard on stations which are running HD are preaching to the choir. They're not getting the word out. Ads for iPods and satellite radio are everywhere...on billboards, in newspapers, on TV, even on the few radio stations which will still carry ads for competing media. Let's not even discuss the false claim, which everyone repeats like a parrot, that FM-HD is "CD quality."

Unless the radio business gets its monumentally pathetic act together...NOW...HD Radio is a dead issue.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Well, I do not consider well over 100 venders insignificant ! This is the time, for the HD Radio Cartel/iBiquity to be pushing this flawed and fraudulant technology - not to be sitting on the sidelines. Just as with the 2006 CES convention, there was very little interest in the iBiquity booth, and people were quoted saying that they know the future is in other technologies (e.g., Wireless Internet, Internet Radio, Wi-Fi Radio, iRadio, Wi-Max, iPods, etc.). I simply posted a link to show that iBiquity is not listed for the 2006 NAB convention, and in no way distorted any truth - truth is, iBiquity is not listed, and should be attending. With the recent two significant resignations at iBiquity, something is going on.

 

[davideduardo]

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--Total ignorance of economics and programming. They propose to double (or more) the number of FM signals in each market. Where are those listeners going to come from, when all they're programming on the HD2 channels are either proven dead formats or niche formats for which there has never been any sort of mass audience to justify time sales

--Ignorance of radio's own history. NEVER has a new technology, by itself, caused an increase in listeners, without an outside influence (for example, the FCC's split-programming edict in 1967)...

--A tragic failure of marketing. My local Tweeter Etc. has a BA Receptor in its window, complete with a Terk amplified indoor antenna.

The objective is not to increase listening. Where did you get this bizarre impression?

The objective of HD is to improve the competitive stance of radio vs. new technology by offering more alternatives, and digital ones, for free. The advertising will level out across more channels, but with the same operatorrs. This is just moving money from one basket to another, as it was designed to do.

When the FCC created the drop dead end of simulcating in the late 60's, there was no increase in listening, even by legislation (I don't know how you can legislate people to listen more). None at all. It just moved from one band to another.

And the HD marketing to consumers began 4 weeks ago. The stages are: 1) get stations on, 2) add HD-2, 3) market it and, 4) get receiver manufacturers to increase production and lower the entry point prices. In other words, we are at step 3 of 4.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

David wrote: "And the HD marketing to consumers began 4 weeks ago. The stages are: 1) get stations on, 2) add HD-2, 3) market it and, 4) get receiver manufacturers to increase production and lower the entry point prices. In other words, we are at step 3 of 4."

Yea, and this hype has been going on for how long ? Just like we keep hearing about how much the HD Radio Cartel is spending on advertising - you all are trying to push a product that the public is not interested in. Yea, the Receptor HD is ranked 5,500, even after all the commercials pointing to amazon.com/hdradio !

And, I may add, that exhibitors that had HD Radios, were pushing other products !

 

[I.B. Iquity]

I am willing to state that there is much more interest in IBOC (potential and otherwise) than there is in DXing. 99+ percent of the population could care less about DXing or DXers. That's the reality believe it or not. Radio stores such as Gilfer are long out of business. The interest in SWL was short lived when eastern Europe became free (relatively speaking) and BCB DXing hasn't bee a popular hobby since the 1920's. That doesn't mean that people don't DX. Hey, I see the occassional Model T on the road too. That doesn't mean they are being produced any longer either.

 

[davideduardo]

I am willing to state that there is much more interest in IBOC (potential and otherwise) than there is in DXing. 99+ percent of the population could care less about DXing or DXers. That's the reality believe it or not. Radio stores such as Gilfer are long out of business. The interest in SWL was short lived when eastern Europe became free (relatively speaking) and BCB DXing hasn't bee a popular hobby since the 1920's. That doesn't mean that people don't DX. Hey, I see the occassional Model T on the road too. That doesn't mean they are being produced any longer either.

Not only that, we have seen Drake stop making communications receivers and TenTec pull out of the "affordable" range. The remaining receivers are the R75 at around $500 to $600, depending on options or where you get it, and stuff that is waaaaay over $1,000.

BCB DX was still quite popular into the 60's, and you saw teens coming into the hobby. When you look at SW, and see that the typical SW listener (just check out rec.radio.shortwave) seems to be in his 50's and disabled or retired. BCB DXers are probably even older and total club membership is only around 600 to 700... in the whole country.

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

The objective is not to increase listening. Where did you get this bizarre impression?

From all the marketing materials I've seen at work. "We're losing listeners to other media, and we have to get them back" is what it all boils down to. If that's not aimed at increasing listeners, then what?

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

And the HD marketing to consumers began 4 weeks ago. The stages are: 1) get stations on, 2) add HD-2, 3) market it and, 4) get receiver manufacturers to increase production and lower the entry point prices. In other words, we are at step 3 of 4.

So why, for the past four weeks, have we not seen hide nor hair of any HD receivers at the big-box and warehouse retailers? Four weeks is plenty of time to get product to retailers. In order to market something, the product has to be available and WORKING. (The Tweeter display I saw was still the same two days ago as the time when I first saw it about a month ago...not working.) If you don't get radios into the big-box retailers (Circuit City, Best Buy, etc.), then it's a non-starter.

Also, if what you've posted is true, then steps 3 and 4 are being done backwards. Price points have to be attractive to consumers from day one. If you price something too high, you've lost the customer, who will likely not spend any more time looking for the same product to come down in price. Are the HD marketing types TRYING to make this product fail???

 

[davideduardo]

So why, for the past four weeks, have we not seen hide nor hair of any HD receivers at the big-box and warehouse retailers?

---->>>>> 4 weeks is not enough time for cargo ships to get from Shanghai to San pedro.

---->>>>> A resaonable expectation is that now the manufacturers will start designing radios, and introduce many for the CES show in Las Vegas early next year. This is typical response time.

Four weeks is plenty of time to get product to retailers.

----- >>>>> You are kidding, right? The second generation design specs for the receivers are just out for 90 days, and the manufacturers are waiting to see how many stations and how much promotion we give this... now they have data and will begin to create the receiver designs, prototype them, test them, and then go into production. In this type of consumer electronic items, that is 4 to 6 months to port of entry.

In order to market something, the product has to be available and WORKING. (The Tweeter display I saw was still the same two days ago as the time when I first saw it about a month ago...not working.) If you don't get radios into the big-box retailers (Circuit City, Best Buy, etc.), then it's a non-starter.

---->>>> The product works, just like the first $1400 CD players worked. B ut prices did not come down and manufacturers did not add models untill they saw record companies produce more releases. Same here. The radios come only if there are lots of stations and lots of HD2 offerings. We all expect the $100 price barrier to be hit by Spring or early Summer or next year.

Also, if what you've posted is true, then steps 3 and 4 are being done backwards.

----- >>>> To get radios made, you have to show the manufacturers that there are statons to be heard and exclusive product (HD 2) and you have to show major promotion of it. That is the set of the first three steps.

Price points have to be attractive to consumers from day one.

----- >>>>> First CD players were over $1000. First VHS were $800 or more. First DVDs were around $800. First Blu-Ray are $800 discounted. It took CD players 7 to 8 years to get down to $150.

If you price something too high, you've lost the customer, who will likely not spend any more time looking for the same product to come down in price. Are the HD marketing types TRYING to make this product fail???

----- >>>> my familiy's first TV in the mid-50's was nearly $500. That was about $1,600 in today's dollars. TV succeeded, didn't it?