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iBiquity & NPR "Strike a Deal" for 6dB Increase

Per a press release from iBiquity:

http://www.ibiquity.com/press_room/news_releases/2009/1388

They will supposedly push the FCC for quick adoption of a 6dB signal increase for HD, to -14dBc. The release also talks about some sort of system for remediating interference from the signal increase. If the past is any predictor of the future, I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
 
Let the trashing of FM begin!

Good luck to all.
 
dumber than a box of hair said:
They will supposedly push the FCC for quick adoption of a 6dB signal increase for HD, to -14dBc.

That is a real stomach turner. Fortunately, as far as the marketplace is concerned - it is all over except for the bankruptcies. Anybody sinking money into this system will lose their money.

The only good thing to come out of this whole HD fiasco is adaptive IF technology.
 
Just read the joint recommendations from NPR and iBiquity filed with the Commission. Here's Today's Really Big Laugh:

As part of their joint submission, "interference remediation procedures" specifically refer to "existing procedures for AM IBOC interference resolution" and continues to include the same language setting forth the same procedures for resolving FM adjacent-channel interference complaints.

You know: the SAME procedures which the Commission has refused to follow in cases of AM interference. As in, the "interference" which the Enforcement Bureau has ignored over and over regarding AM IBOC.

"Interference? We don't hear it. Was there something else you wanted to discuss?"
 
Savage said:
Just read the joint recommendations from NPR and iBiquity filed with the Commission. Here's Today's Really Big Laugh:

As part of their joint submission, "interference remediation procedures" specifically refer to "existing procedures for AM IBOC interference resolution" and continues to include the same language setting forth the same procedures for resolving FM adjacent-channel interference complaints.

You know: the SAME procedures which the Commission has refused to follow in cases of AM interference. As in, the "interference" which the Enforcement Bureau has ignored over and over regarding AM IBOC.

"Interference? We don't hear it. Was there something else you wanted to discuss?"

IBOC has wrecked the AM band. Why not give FM operators (and their listeners) the chance to experience this goodness?

I'm all for it! This should hasten the transition away from terrestrial broadcasting to other media sources.

Time to fire up my MacBook and listen to Internet radio...
 
Why are so many broadcasters stubborn about dumping IBOC and re-focusing on quality analog audio for those of us who still enjoy tuning in. Hd radio is a clunker (I know first hand) that I doubt will be significantly improved with this increase for the less than 1% of radio listeners who actually have the radios. And, it will add unremovable noise to the audio which will make even the nicest analog FM tuners sound like something from Fisher-Price. A big shame!
 
scanman1 posed the very logical question:

Why are so many broadcasters stubborn about dumping IBOC and re-focusing on quality analog audio for those of us who still enjoy tuning in? Hd radio is a clunker (I know first hand) that I doubt will be significantly improved with this increase for the less than 1% of radio listeners who actually have the radios. And, it will add unremovable noise to the audio which will make even the nicest analog FM tuners sound like something from Fisher-Price. A big shame!

To "dump" is to "fail". The stations who signed on to the IBOC pipe dream have committed serious funds to it and this equipment needs to be depreciated. To abandon it now means utter and complete embarrassing failure.

Also, the chairperson of iBiquity absolutely and positively needs to have an IPO before the company goes bankrupt. If he does not get that IPO done, then he stands to lose an awful lot, both personally and corporately. There has been an incredibly high amount of speculative investment in HD Radio. These investors need to get repaid. The IPO is the only way this can happen now, since sales will never ever arrive at the level they would need to be to actually turn this technology into a money maker.

Our illustrious chairperson needs to keep spinning Wall Street into his "HD web of success". Eventually, Wall Street will believe him and the dynamics required to launch an IPO will become self-sustaining. The stations which have already installed HD need to stick with it so that they are there when the IPO is launched and HD is declared to be the true savior of broadcast radio that Wall Street will think it is.

More than a big shame, it is really all quite disgusting and is an example of corporate greed at its absolute worst.
 
If the IPO is essential to iBiquity's future, better get First Officer Lightoller to start shouting: "Please stay calm, and it's women and children first. Do not rush the lifeboats."

Know how many IPOs there have been this year? Try....twelve.

Due to chaos in the financial markets IPOs have essentially ceased. Some observers opine that they'll never return, at least with a presence like they had in the go-go 90s.

Let's check back in a year and see just HOW many stations have added the 6 dB digital. Shall we? Hmmmmm??
 
Assuming the FCC goes along, the NPR stations will get more grants for IBOC updates. So I believe these more powerful signals will start to transmit. As more of the major IBOC "broadcast partners" start losing day to day control to their bankers, you wonder how much money they will have left to upgrade facilities. It is too bad NPR "struck a deal". I think it will be a waste of their time and money. Better to focus on refarming channels 5 & 6 as "digital" distribution channels.
 
People I've spoken to who actually own HD equipped stations tell me that the transmitters they have might be able to handle a 3-4 db increase but not the currently proposed 6db increase. They are hopeful that doubling the power will make HD more viable, but they are very cautious about saying it will "fix everything." They also tell me they are not about to invest the money to do a 6 db power increase. The general opinion I've heard is, "there is no return on the investment."

Imagine that....

Maybe there will be some real bargains on lightly used two-year-old transmitters, that don't have the guts to jump to the new power requirements. Every cloud has a silver lining.
 
I can tell you this; I am definitely going to reduce or eliminate my financial support for NPR. If they have money to waste on this stuff, they don't need my hard earned dollars. Money is the only thing that matters in this country, so you have to vote with your wallet.
 
audioguy said:
I can tell you this; I am definitely going to reduce or eliminate my financial support for NPR. If they have money to waste on this stuff, they don't need my hard earned dollars. Money is the only thing that matters in this country, so you have to vote with your wallet.

You don't financially support NPR, at least not directly.

You support a local radio station that, in most cases, is a member station of NPR, using a portion of your membership dollars to pay its annual dues in order to carry NPR programming. And before you decide to reduce your support for that local station, give them a call and talk to them about their relationship with NPR, and about how they fund projects such as HD radio.

It's pretty safe to say that not every NPR member station agrees with the compromise that was reached this week. Perhaps the highest-profile example is WRNI in Rhode Island, which has raised some pretty loud questions about the high-powered testing that was done by Greater Media and Ibiquity on WKLB in Boston, which is on 102.5, first-adjacent to WRNI-FM on 102.7, a class A signal that draws much of its audience from Providence, just outside its officially-protected contour, but nevertheless an area where it was fairly listenable...until WKLB powered up. One can reasonably assume that WRNI is not on the same page as NPR where the power increase is concerned.

Other NPR member stations are indeed eager to power up. I do some work for WXXI in Rochester (but speak here only for myself). As I've discussed here before, WXXI runs an all-classical format on a full class B FM, WXXI-FM 91.5, and programs news and talk (much of it from NPR) on a signal-challenged 5 kW DA-N AM signal, WXXI 1370. Over the AM station's 25-year history, there's been constant demand from members for a better news-talk signal in areas east and west of downtown Rochester where the AM is nulled after dark. Adding an AM simulcast on 91.5-HD2 has been one of several ways WXXI has tried to answer that problem - and there's now a significant listener base tuning in on the HD signal. (The most popular premium in WXXI's most recent pledge drive was the Insignia portable HD radio.)

"Money to waste on this stuff"? Compared to the 8 million dollars or so that it would cost to buy another full-coverage FM signal, were one to come on the market today, the addition of HD to the WXXI-FM signal has been a bargain - the costs involved have amounted to a new antenna, which was needed anyway to replace the original (1974-vintage) FM antenna, and a new digital transmitter. And because of the way the installation was designed (separate transmitters, separate transmission line, interleaved analog/digital antennas), a power increase will not be an expensive proposition, as it will be for the many stations using low-level combining.

It also bears noting that most of the public radio stations that have added HD have done so with the help of CPB grant money that was specifically designated for the digital conversion - so the money spent on HD would not have been available for other purposes if it hadn't been used for digital radio.

WXXI's experience is certainly not typical - but the interesting thing about the American public radio system, at least to me, is that there is no "typical" station. There are some that have no compelling reason to go digital, and others doing exciting things with their digital signals. (DC's WAMU, for instance, with its 24-hour bluegrass channel, Philly's WRTI, which uses its HD-2 to provide jazz when its main channel is classical by day and classical when its main channel is jazz at night, and Vermont Public Radio, which uses HD-2 to fill in gaps in its relatively new all-classical network, are a few that come to mind.)

Each station makes those decisions at the local level, which is why I'd urge you to at least talk to your local station about its funding and its views on HD radio before pulling your support.
 
Scott, I appreciate the fine job you do and the quality programming that comes from WXXI. However, the way I see it, many of the NPR affiliates are spending money wastefully on technology that listeners do not want or care about.

I currently support three NPR affiliates, to the tune of more than $500 a year. Our local classical station runs three beg-athons each year, which amounts to an entire month of continuous on-air fund raising! During each one, they seek to raise between $400K and $500K. They tell grandma that the station will go off the air and that listeners will lose their last remaining source of classical music. Meanwhile, I find out that they have spent a pile of money on a completely new transmitting plant so they can run HD. And after they completed this so-called upgrade, the audio quality of the analog signal has been significantly compromised, as least to my ears.

I am not going to support any station, NPR or otherwise, that spends my money on HD radio technology.
 
audioguy said:
Scott, I appreciate the fine job you do and the quality programming that comes from WXXI. However, the way I see it, many of the NPR affiliates are spending money wastefully on technology that listeners do not want or care about.

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I am not going to support any station, NPR or otherwise, that spends my money on HD radio technology.

Without knowing your local situation, there's not much I can say about whatever your local stations might be doing. I would certainly urge you to give them a call and discuss your concerns with them. I suspect you'll find that they're not spending "your" money on HD - if they're at all typical (to the extent there is a "typical"), the costs of the HD installation are borne largely by CPB grant money that was specific to the digital conversion.

And if you're experiencing problems with your analog reception as a result of HD carriers, please let your local station know that as well. It's much more useful for them to know why you're upset than for your contribution to just go away without any explanation.
 
Scott Fybush said,
And if you're experiencing problems with your analog reception as a result of HD carriers, please let your local [NPR] station know that as well. It's much more useful for them to know why you're upset than for your contribution to just go away without any explanation.

I couldn’t agree more – so tell them why you’re upset.

Emphasize that IBOC signals interfere with the reception of first-adjacents (and second-adjacents, too, on AM), and that self-interference, which already plagues AM IBOC stations, won’t remain a rarity on FM if the power increase is implemented.

And tell them that it doesn’t matter if all of the money for the digital power increase comes from a CPB grant earmarked for that purpose and not from the station’s regular budget, because that’s money that the CPB could be using for more constructive purposes – like programming grants!

Point out that they don’t need “HD” for multicasting. They could spend about $12K for FMeXtra and get better coverage than they’d get with “HD” IBOC at -5 dBc! And that’s less than the cost of a new IBOC-only transmitter for a station using separate antennas (and make no mistake: even with interleaving, there’s always some difference between the analog and digital signal patterns with that Rube Goldberg approach!).

Finally, make it clear to station management that because the entire system so inimical to the interests not only of the station itself, but also to the interests of the audience -- and to the interests of the medium of radio as a whole -- you have no intention of supporting the station unless they publicly commit to, at the very least, not increasing their digital power. And if there’s a co-owned public television station, tell them you won’t be supporting that, either.
 
The NPR affiliate that I work for hasn't wasted their money on 'HD'. We're quite happy we used our resources to buy much-needed studio equipment. There are several of us out there that didn't jump on the bandwagon. The ROI for us just wasn't there. In many ways though we are pretty careful about spending our listeners money. We work hard to live within our fundraising means. As far as the begging is concerned, we have been doing two day drives (noisy) with a couple weeks of promos leading up to it asking for the listeners' help in reaching our goal. It's worked out pretty good for us. This last time was a bit slower in getting to the goal, but we did get there. I hope our audience appriciates that we try to think things out and not waste their money. Although CPB and PTFP will give public stations money for upgrades, they do require some of the station's money to do it in matches. So the idea that it's just totally free money from the Feds isn't 100 percent correct. It costs the listeners, therefore we held off...
 
Too bad the listeners can't be educated about how some of the hard earned money they donate is used to promote and push a mode of radio that is a huge waste of time and goes indirectly into a snake oil salesman's pocket.
I was never a year to year supporter of my local NPR stations but the big one in Boston that broadcasts in IBOC won't get another penny of my money until it cuts the cord to it's jammer.
 
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