ChiefEngineer said:
One of them allows women; the other doesn't.
That's pretty much the only difference.
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One of them allows women; the other doesn't.
That's pretty much the only difference.
Based on visits I can't really recall STILL which is which.
PTBoardOp94 is correct. WGRE is a student hands-on station, from station manager and program director to news director, etc. My point is that at WGRE and other college stations, the music selection is irratic, the on-air staff are not trained to do talk-overs, bridges or even do public service announcements in a format that is - or was - similar to "real world" broadcasting.
I know I'm showing my age and my undergraduates often roll their eyes when I make reference to "back-in-the-day", but back in the dark ages when I was the undergraduate program director - as with my predecessors, we ran the college station in a fomat that was similar to that of a "real world" station -- or at least we tried. So, at least in my humble and maybe uneducated opinion, the students interested in broadcasting are not getting the real training of real radio which may be one of the reasons why the talent pool is getting shallow. I think there is merit to this discussion as the feedback from students at DePauw is most postive whenever us old relics return to do an alumni air-shift at the station.
ChiefEngineer, thanks so much for getting the license renewal done..
I know I'm showing my age and my undergraduates often roll their eyes when I make reference to "back-in-the-day", but back in the dark ages when I was the undergraduate program director - as with my predecessors, we ran the college station in a fomat that was similar to that of a "real world" station -- or at least we tried. So, at least in my humble and maybe uneducated opinion, the students interested in broadcasting are not getting the real training of real radio which may be one of the reasons why the talent pool is getting shallow. I think there is merit to this discussion as the feedback from students at DePauw is most postive whenever us old relics return to do an alumni air-shift at the station.
ChiefEngineer, thanks so much for getting the license renewal done..
I agree with you to the extent that college radio staff in 2011 aren't getting much experience applicable to commercial radio. But I bet if you surveyed the staff of WGRE, somewhere around 2% of them would be interested in making broadcasting a career.
The rest of them wouldn't know what AQH stands for.
The rest of them wouldn't know what AQH stands for.
I see my old stomping grounds with some nice kids wanting real radio training.. In the class they get it, but on the station, it's far from what we had to learn and fight for.. Political correctness at the administration level, above the R-T department is most likely to blame.. I think VU at Vincenness does a solid job with their multi-level training.. But, they, too, play to the whims of the upper levels... Most R-T programs are now paper mills with a goal of percentage of graduates being the goal...
Talk of a shallow talent pool is legit, as is the fact that not many see themselves as potential stars in radio.
There is no place to go and be bad. As one point was made, syndication is used to get the best possible talent on the air. It is cheaper than having someone live overnight. So the dog is chasing his tail. No new talent because there isnt a place to learn so no chance to be a star and so the kids don't see a potential for a real life in this buisness. We are doing this to ourself as a buisness.
When you talk about the college stations, same thing, no one there to teach because no one is left that has any experiance. College radio is often forgetten. It should have a format and be run like a "real station" but few care or know how. Some places are classical juke boxes because the profs who sit on the boards with the money say " play what I want to hear or no money" .
We are getting to the point where there won't be anyone who knows how this is done who is left to train the few up and commers.
With that said, if all we are going to be is liner card juke boxes that is segued by a computer, how much talent and training is needed for that.
I am not very hopeful as to the future of radio. Sorry to be a downer.
There is no place to go and be bad. As one point was made, syndication is used to get the best possible talent on the air. It is cheaper than having someone live overnight. So the dog is chasing his tail. No new talent because there isnt a place to learn so no chance to be a star and so the kids don't see a potential for a real life in this buisness. We are doing this to ourself as a buisness.
When you talk about the college stations, same thing, no one there to teach because no one is left that has any experiance. College radio is often forgetten. It should have a format and be run like a "real station" but few care or know how. Some places are classical juke boxes because the profs who sit on the boards with the money say " play what I want to hear or no money" .
We are getting to the point where there won't be anyone who knows how this is done who is left to train the few up and commers.
With that said, if all we are going to be is liner card juke boxes that is segued by a computer, how much talent and training is needed for that.
I am not very hopeful as to the future of radio. Sorry to be a downer.
buttonpusher812 said:
That point is actually more of a real world experience than most college stations. Substitute "advertisers" for the creeky old board members and you've got it. That's the most radio business experience those students may actually ever get.
The reason why there's less & less talent in radio is because of the one thing that has never changed in radio....there's no money in it for on-air people. Radio people stay in radio because they love it, not for the money. If a DJ quits because mgt won't pay him/her more, there'll be at least 25 talented persons ready to fill that position who'll work for 25% less just to get the job. It's always been that way and it always will be. Nowadays however, young people won't take the radio jobs for low pay, hence voicetracked radio.
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