I have been a DXer for 25 years and was skeptical about HD radio, especially after reading posts of people (mostly DXers) opposed to it. Well, I decided to gamble $199 and purchase a JVC HD radio, figuring that if HD doesn't work well, than it would be an excellent DX machine as well as being sattilite capable. Well, I was pleasently surprised at the performance on both AM and FM. The HD2s are fantastic and the receiver works as intended. Sure, the HD2s from Dayton occasionally drop out while listening in Cincinnati, but the analog signals also picketfence at that point. Folks, like it or not, the radio works as advertised and will only improve over time. Purchasing that radio almost doubled the number of stations available to me. The only thing I had to give up was not being able to receive the first ajacients to the local stations. The tradeoff was well worth it in my opinion. I acknowedge that HD causes some signal loss for FM in the fringe areas, but the only people that will be affected are the DXers. I realize that the truth is hard for the DXers and they want us to believe that IBOC will cause major problems for the listening public. But the truth is the truth and only DXers will be impacted. That being said, it is a win-win for the general public. However, I'm still not sure about nighttime AM IBOC at this point.
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Len14043 WROTE: "I have been a DXer for 25 years..."
I have been a broadcaster for much longer than you've been a DXer and believe that AM and FM must embrace new technologies.
Len14043 WROTE: "The HD2s are fantastic and the receiver works as intended ... Purchasing that radio almost doubled the number of stations available to me."
Tell me why are they fantastic? Which is your favorite and why? What do any of them give that you can't already get from thousands of Internet radio stations already? How many of those HD-2 stations are more than automated jukeboxes?
Len14043 WROTE: "The only thing I had to give up was not being able to receive the first ajacients to the local stations. The tradeoff was well worth it in my opinion. I acknowedge that HD causes some signal loss for FM in the fringe areas, but the only people that will be affected are the DXers. I realize that the truth is hard for the DXers and they want us to believe that IBOC will cause major problems for the listening public. But the truth is the truth and only DXers will be impacted."
Thanks for making the choice for all of America as to what we should and should not give up. How about the radio station owners who have invested their lives and their fortunes in an already overcrowded/interference-riddled radio business? How about all of the millions of Americans who live, work or drive in fringe signal areas?
Len14043 WROTE: "That being said, it is a win-win for the general public."
The public's reaction to HD Radio for 2.5 years has been and remains a big yawn.
Len14043 WROTE: "However, I'm still not sure about nighttime AM IBOC at this point."
I wish all of the AMs running HD Radio would run 24-hours-a-day for one week. AM-HD radio would be fully exposed to all for the technical fraud that it is. HD Radio is a pig with layers and layers of lipstick on it.
I have been a broadcaster for much longer than you've been a DXer and believe that AM and FM must embrace new technologies.
Len14043 WROTE: "The HD2s are fantastic and the receiver works as intended ... Purchasing that radio almost doubled the number of stations available to me."
Tell me why are they fantastic? Which is your favorite and why? What do any of them give that you can't already get from thousands of Internet radio stations already? How many of those HD-2 stations are more than automated jukeboxes?
Len14043 WROTE: "The only thing I had to give up was not being able to receive the first ajacients to the local stations. The tradeoff was well worth it in my opinion. I acknowedge that HD causes some signal loss for FM in the fringe areas, but the only people that will be affected are the DXers. I realize that the truth is hard for the DXers and they want us to believe that IBOC will cause major problems for the listening public. But the truth is the truth and only DXers will be impacted."
Thanks for making the choice for all of America as to what we should and should not give up. How about the radio station owners who have invested their lives and their fortunes in an already overcrowded/interference-riddled radio business? How about all of the millions of Americans who live, work or drive in fringe signal areas?
Len14043 WROTE: "That being said, it is a win-win for the general public."
The public's reaction to HD Radio for 2.5 years has been and remains a big yawn.
Len14043 WROTE: "However, I'm still not sure about nighttime AM IBOC at this point."
I wish all of the AMs running HD Radio would run 24-hours-a-day for one week. AM-HD radio would be fully exposed to all for the technical fraud that it is. HD Radio is a pig with layers and layers of lipstick on it.
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1q2w3e
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Len14043 said:vsa said:
Thank you for what appears to be a honest review. I too am a DXer, and was very concerned about what HD would do to the DXing HOBBY. But that is just it... a HOBBY.
For people that suggest that we just listen to internet stations.... you need to step away from your computer for a while and join us in the real world. I too lsiten to some internet stations... when I am tied to the computer. But 90% of the time I am away from it, or dont have a connection.
HD3s will be coming out soon. And they will be perfect for some smaller AMs. Or perpahs for another format!
And yes, heaven forbid if you are happy with your HD Radio. Now you are part of the evil HD empire. :
Once again HD supporters want to call travelers, tourists, campers, suburbanites, commuters, rural local small station listeners, and millions of other Americans, DXers that have no rights.vsa said:
A few thousand HD Radios sold (or given) to a handful of technicians and early adopters is no reason to accept this defective, problematic, adjacent channel technology. There is a rational digital alternative for FM that is not destructive, is fully compatable, and already approved:
FMeXtra www.dreinc.com
So who needs HD Radio?
No one, except those with a biased personal interest in the adoption of this HD scam.
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SayNoToIBOC
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"Thank you for what appears to be a honest review. I too am a DXer, and was very concerned about what HD would do to the DXing HOBBY. But that is just it... a HOBBY. For people that suggest that we just listen to internet stations.... you need to step away from your computer for a while and join us in the real world. I too lsiten to some internet stations... when I am tied to the computer. But 90% of the time I am away from it, or dont have a connection.HD3s will be coming out soon. And they will be perfect for some smaller AMs. Or perpahs for another format! And yes, heaven forbid if you are happy with your HD Radio. Now you are part of the evil HD empire."
So, the "real world" does not include Internet Radio ? The "real world" is going by the wayside of traditional terrestrial radio, for such technologies as Internet and Wi-Fi Radio - wait until Wi-Max puts these technologies into mobile devices by 2008 ! Sprint just launched 50 radio channels on their cellular phones, and Cingular also has radio on their cellular phones (Motorola will have iRadio in the Rokr E2, shortly). HD Radio - never has a broadcast "technology" been met with such hostility, apathy, and skepticism, for good reason ! I'de rather be tied to my computer, listening to AOL Radio, while I do other things, than be tied to a garbage desktop HD Radio, with required external antennas. Oh boy, the same old terrestrial radio garbage, just more of it with the HD channels ! I have no doubt, as may others, that HD Radio will meet a timely death. There is virtually no public interest - just look at the Receptor HD on Amazon, ranked at 5,300. There are too many other technologies that have already left HD Radio in the dust - too little, too late. To think people are going to be willing to spend $300 on HD Radio, when the analog equivalents start at $25, is dreaming - hey, this is just good-old garbage AM/FM radio ! AM/FM radio listening is done just casually, mostly to and from work - very few people actually turn on their radios at home, when there are so many other options (Internet, TV, DVDs). Many times, I have turned off my car radio, just because I get sick of the noise. I too, could be a shill for HD Radio !
So, the "real world" does not include Internet Radio ? The "real world" is going by the wayside of traditional terrestrial radio, for such technologies as Internet and Wi-Fi Radio - wait until Wi-Max puts these technologies into mobile devices by 2008 ! Sprint just launched 50 radio channels on their cellular phones, and Cingular also has radio on their cellular phones (Motorola will have iRadio in the Rokr E2, shortly). HD Radio - never has a broadcast "technology" been met with such hostility, apathy, and skepticism, for good reason ! I'de rather be tied to my computer, listening to AOL Radio, while I do other things, than be tied to a garbage desktop HD Radio, with required external antennas. Oh boy, the same old terrestrial radio garbage, just more of it with the HD channels ! I have no doubt, as may others, that HD Radio will meet a timely death. There is virtually no public interest - just look at the Receptor HD on Amazon, ranked at 5,300. There are too many other technologies that have already left HD Radio in the dust - too little, too late. To think people are going to be willing to spend $300 on HD Radio, when the analog equivalents start at $25, is dreaming - hey, this is just good-old garbage AM/FM radio ! AM/FM radio listening is done just casually, mostly to and from work - very few people actually turn on their radios at home, when there are so many other options (Internet, TV, DVDs). Many times, I have turned off my car radio, just because I get sick of the noise. I too, could be a shill for HD Radio !
Everthing "Say no etc" promotes cost the end user a usage fee of some sort. Whats the advantage of that?
Now I can get internet radio on my phone, GREAT! Now I have to increase my plan to a million minutes so I can listen....or can I restrict my phone listenning to night s and weekends only?
hmmmm
Now I can get internet radio on my phone, GREAT! Now I have to increase my plan to a million minutes so I can listen....or can I restrict my phone listenning to night s and weekends only?
hmmmm
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SayNoToIBOC
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AOL Radio is free - 200 XM Satellite and HD Radio channels ! And, don't think that paying $5 - $13 per month has, or is going to discourage people from enjoying these technologies. To think that HD Radio is free, is going to draw consumers is dreaming - it's the same old garbage terrestrial radio, just more of it !
AOL is NOT FREE, you still need to pay for the connection.
200 XM Satellite and HD Radio channels ! LMAO I think your refering to Sirius being HD (according to RadioHack it is so it must be.)
I cancelled my XM a long time ago because it was too repetative and I have no problem with terrestrial radio, neither does the vast majority of Americans otherwise we'd see alot more subscribers to satellite than we currently do.
200 XM Satellite and HD Radio channels ! LMAO I think your refering to Sirius being HD (according to RadioHack it is so it must be.)
I cancelled my XM a long time ago because it was too repetative and I have no problem with terrestrial radio, neither does the vast majority of Americans otherwise we'd see alot more subscribers to satellite than we currently do.
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SayNoToIBOC
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Unbelievable - another attempt to twist words ! I said, that AOL Radio is free, not AOL ! And, you are going to tell me, that you don't pay a monthly free for an ISP ! XM carries well-over 100 channels, so there is no way it could be repetitive - HD Radio, with just local garbage terrestrial radio is repetitive. "Sirius being HD Radio", was an experience someone had on the "sister" HD board. Here is the link to AOL Radio - unbelieveable !
"No need for an HD Radio as the station's websites usually give webstreams of their HD content. You can also listen for free to most XM stations and hundreds of others stations on AOL Radio, which is now FREE!"
http://music.aol.com/radioguide/bb.adp
"No need for an HD Radio as the station's websites usually give webstreams of their HD content. You can also listen for free to most XM stations and hundreds of others stations on AOL Radio, which is now FREE!"
http://music.aol.com/radioguide/bb.adp
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1q2w3e
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SUPERCASTER said:
WOW you truly put all HD supporters into one basket dont you. May I suggest that you OPEN YOUR MIND a tad??
I am a traveler, tourist, camper, suburbanite, commuter, I also engineer stations that are rural and in a small town. And I am a radio engineer AND a DXer! yet I still support HD radio. Kind of blows your point(less) out of the water, no?
No one NEEDS HD Radio. No one has said that (though you keep twisting the words to your liking which is usually a sign that you dont have anything to support your point).
Tell y ou what, why dont you see if you can get a discussion board for DRE? We can all discuss that version of digital radio there. It would make for a great discussion board, no?
SayNoToIBOC said:
I do pay a fee to an ISP, therefore internet radio of any kind is not free for me(unless I borrow my neighbor's wifi, wink wink)
I had XM and found that there wasn't one channel I liked or thought sounded good. The talk stations sounded like dial up internet streams and the music stations were such small nich's of the same 30 obscure songs over and over - Give me main stream, give me more terestrial radio.
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SaynotoIB0C
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Stupercaster should stop whining and get on the HD bandwagon like me....
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IBOCRocks
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HD Ready said:
I like that: "It's FREE!!"
No, it's not. You have to spend $300+ dollars for a computer, and a monthly charge for an ISP. Forget about listening around the house, unless you want to move your computer or buy another gadget to stream the radio.
You did buy a $50 wireless router to do that, right? Oh yeah - Grandma's not tech-savvy, so we'll need to pay the Geek Squad $100 to come over and set it up.
Yeah, that's a great alternative! While we're at it, let's light up a bunch of $50's in the fireplace to keep warm!
Just say no to stupid ideas!
;D
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SayNoToIBOC
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"No, it's not. You have to spend $300+ dollars for a computer, and a monthly charge for an ISP. Forget about listening around the house, unless you want to move your computer or buy another gadget to stream the radio."
Who doesn't have Internet Access - 55% of American households have broadband access; Internet Radio and Wireless Internet are a bonus. I use the speakers, that came with my computer, to listen to AOL Radio, while I access the Internet.
Who doesn't have Internet Access - 55% of American households have broadband access; Internet Radio and Wireless Internet are a bonus. I use the speakers, that came with my computer, to listen to AOL Radio, while I access the Internet.
SayNoToIBOC said:
AN AOL user... that explains a lot.
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I.B. Iquity
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"Who doesn't have Internet Access - 55% of American households have broadband access; Internet Radio and Wireless Internet are a bonus. I use the speakers, that came with my computer, to listen to AOL Radio, while I access the Internet"
That's really something. You're willing to overlook millions of people in your fight against IBOC. As to AOL radio I know non subscribers can listen, but hey, most people walk away from their computers and aren't tied to the keyboard. What would you have them do until Wi-Fi is available everywhere... HUM????
That's really something. You're willing to overlook millions of people in your fight against IBOC. As to AOL radio I know non subscribers can listen, but hey, most people walk away from their computers and aren't tied to the keyboard. What would you have them do until Wi-Fi is available everywhere... HUM????
I.B. Iquity said:
Well when he isnt at school, he is in front of the computer with his Mountain Dew and a bag of Doritos. SayNo was voted to be the most likely to "go postal" in his class.
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