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Iboc radio hacking

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dxer2_2000

Hi all

Just curious, since HD Radio is software based (encoded onto a chipset), how long till we see 'hacked' versions of these Receivers doing customized operations?

Yes.....even though the software is licenced by Ibiquity, thats not gonna stop hackers & tinker'ers! ;D Just like Hacking to bypass copy protection encryption on Playstations & XBoxes (often with a mod chip).

dxer2_2000
 
So, even if you could "hack" the chip in one of these things, what would it do for you? After all it's not a subscription service. Your premise is silly. Wait, I know! If you hack into the chip, you can hear secret messages like: "Paul is dead", or that KISS really does stand for "Kids In Service to Satan", or you can spy in on your favorite female DJ in the ladies room at the station!
 
Kelly said:
...or you can spy in on your favorite female DJ in the ladies room at the station!
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Will we have video, too?
 
Actually they might if the system has DRM copy protection added to the broadcasts. Certainly if the RIAA gets its way

dxer2_2000
 
That's a big if and that would apply to XM & Sirrius too. If the broadcasters told the RIAA that they'd stop playing their music, the RIAA would find that they need the broadcasters more than broadcasters need the RIAA. I am not worried about the RIAA. This is a pretty desperate argument. Anyway, radio is much more than recorded music.
 
Also a reply to "kelly" below...

Its a pity you can't see past your nose to 'explore' different ideas on radio.... ::)

After all, this is what this site is all about - discussing different aspects to radio weather 'real' or 'philosophical'.

Sheesh....


dxer2_2000
 
"Its a pity you can't see past your nose to 'explore' different ideas on radio....

After all, this is what this site is all about - discussing different aspects to radio weather 'real' or 'philosophical'.

Sheesh...."

Huh????? What are you talking about? This is a RADIO board, not a site aimed at the discussion of entertainment philosophy and specifically this is a board for the discussion of IBOC HD radio, not whether Pan flute music will be the next craze to overtake the masses. It would be nice if people would stay on topic or find another venue to empty their spleen.
 
dxer2_2000,

This guy is a bit antagonic, but you may have noticed, that he won't respond to posted facts/opinions/articles - he just attempts to made emotional issues, out of posts. I posted an article about the RIAA convincing Congress to introduce legislation concerning the "digital flag", and/or encryption/decryption to protect digital entertainment streams, but of course, he didn't respond; this PERFORM ACT will definately stall, along with the FCC deleting HD/IBOC off its agenda on 7/13/06, any movement forward by the HD/IBOC sleazy industry (iBiquity made false claims about HD/IBOC). The RIAA is gunning for both satellite and HD/IBOC radio, and they have a very powerful lobby in Congress - go get u'm !

It is also interesting to note, that DRM was never considered, instead of HD/IBOC, even though it is used in Europe and doesn't have the adjacent-chanel, or propagation problems of HD/IBOC. Sleazy iBiquity and the NAB are, "in bed with the FCC". I am going to laugh, if HD/IBOC is ever approved for AM nighttime (but, it won't) and watch all the formal objects and class-action lawsuits, by the interfered stations, to the FCC !
 
"It is also interesting to note, that DRM was never considered, instead of HD/IBOC, even though it is used in Europe and doesn't have the adjacent-chanel, or propagation problems of HD/IBOC."

DRM was considered early on, but because it is not compatible with the current analogue system and would require new spectrum, it wasn't considered a viable contender. Please read David Eduardos well composed response to your comments, under the HD opponents header. He has much more patience than I do.
 
HD Radio iBiquity "IBOC" (a misnomer at best) is also not compatible with current assignments (see posts all over this board for verification). HD Radio needs to hide behind a yet to be approved, and still being modified new multichannel interference spectral mask. If HD Radio was truely compatible and on channel, it would be approved to go on the air without all these special dispensations from the FCC, as the fully compatible FM digital system, FMeXtra can do.
FMeXtra info here:
http://www.dreinc.com/
 
autopaint-1,

And take a look at vsa'a, wgliradio's, and my responses to David's posts, under "HD Opponents". Sorry, you are running out of patience with me - take a look at all the hostile replies to David's posts, under Google Group, rec.radio.shortwave. I guess, I shouldn't have been such a, "softy" ! I hope you are having as much fun as I - there are no biased moderators, to make a final insult, then lock the message thread...
 
"there are no biased moderators, to make a final insult, then lock the message thread..."

That could lead to the downfall of this board. If it falls away from discussing HD radio and becomes a site for neysayers such as yourself who add nothing but negative views to the technology which is obviously taking hold as it has started rolling out. Those of us who own both AM stereo and HD radios will tell you there's no comparison. HD audio on AM and available multiple streams on FM are far superior to what is currently being heard on the broadcast bands. You don't like it, fine. Stay will analogue or move to either Sirrius or XM while they are around;

XM just hit the $10 range. From a high of $37 year to date. That means they have lost almost 75% of their capitalization. Sirius has lost about 50%.


I will continue to enjoy my HD radio and soon hope to purchase one for the car as well. I am curious to find out what the cost will be for the Tivoli when it's released later this year. I may buy one of those as well, just to see what the second generation receiver sounds like. So now I am expecting a response with more links and childish remarks. No matter, I will be laughing as the number of IBOC stations increase and continue to enjoy my radios, with the plus that there are no monthly fees to compound the cost.
 
The audio comparisions are very subjective, and I have heard pros and cons of HD/IBOC. But, it still only has 60% of the coverage, of analog - remember what Dr. Conrad said ! I am not interested in satellite radio, just the downfall of HD/IBOC radio. This technology hasn't taken hold at all, there are no HD/IBOC radios, and no public interest ! Childish remarks - not one, but take a look at your over-emotional posts ! Broadcasters will quickly figure out, that the hardware modifications to their existing antenna systems, yearly fees of hundreds of thousands of dollars to line iBiquity's pockets with gold, and an alienated listener audience due to poor coverage, will reject HD/IBOC, and turn off their HD/IOBC exciters, as WLW. My posted links are filled with facts, that you STILL have not responded to ! I am happy for you - enjoy your HD/IBOC radios ! Remember, I only care about nighttime AM.

It's funny, that no one ever countered these two articles:

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/03_rwrf_feb_16_part_2.shtml
http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/commentary/2006.07.19-03_rw_hd_guest_barry_2.shtml
 
One thing you need to remember is that Ibiquity is owned by the largest radio companies. So they arent paying anything except the upfront cost of development. Any fees in the future are taking money from one pocket and putting it in another pocket. The ones who will get screwed without being kissed are the smaller radio companies. If fact, my bet is that there is a huge payoff for all the investors in Ibuiquity down the road if they can make this questionable technology fly. They will offer an IPO and make gazillions from it.
 
sbe1 said:
One thing you need to remember is that Ibiquity is owned by the largest radio companies. So they arent paying anything except the upfront cost of development. Any fees in the future are taking money from one pocket and putting it in another pocket. The ones who will get screwed without being kissed are the smaller radio companies. If fact, my bet is that there is a huge payoff for all the investors in Ibuiquity down the road if they can make this questionable technology fly. They will offer an IPO and make gazillions from it.
Click to expand...

And this is probably the most reprehensible aspect to IBOC, the propriatary nature of the technology and the parasitic way in which iBiquity licenses it.

When DRM was first being developed the DRM Consortium was encouraging universities to study, hack and improve the coding for it. As a result, there were some early beta versions of DRM encoding/decoding software for PC posted on the university websites. In fact, out of that, there is now a software decoder for Windows being offered for sale.

You'll never see that kind of openness from the likes of iBiquity.

db
 
Digital fidelity with out all the buzz, jamming, adjacent channel interference, excessive expense, proprietary contracts, and hash!
FMeXtra:
www.dreinc.com
Software programmable radios!
Perhaps the BA Receptor could be reprogramed for FMeXtra. Autopaint-1 said the BA is reprogrammable.
 
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