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IBOC RULES PASS FCC URGENT URGENT

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IBOC Rules Pass FCC in 'Historic' Vote



3.21.2007


The FCC voted for final authorization for IBOC today.
The decision, when it takes effect, would allow all AMs to go digital at night. Audio Division Chief Peter Doyle told RW Online there would be a procedure established to handle interference issues, should those occur. The decision also gives a green light to multicasting, so broadcasters no longer need to apply for experimental authority to multicast.

http://rwonline.com/dailynews/index.cgi


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Can't wait to hear this train-wreck.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

"Some of you people don't even know what Jim Jones is all about yet......well, I got lotsa plans..here, there, and everywhere."
Mr. Jim Jones, before his vision was fullfulled

Enjoy your kool-aid. What flavor is that?
 
At last, DXing the AM band will be a thing of the past with all that splatter! I think that marks a sad day (or is that night?) in radio!
 
IBOC...It Bothers Other Channels
 
I just don't see this as the end of the whirled as we know it. Interference from IBOC is such a non-issue for FMs, it's not a concern. The AM band is a total mess of noise anyhow, how will more make a difference? In return for a local AM with some semblance of fidelity to it is, I suggest, a decent trade.
The selling of otther streams is the biggest loser to me, cos it degrades the main channel audio. Not a concern in AM, but of concern in FM. However, the might business model wants other programming...get 'em folks.
 
littlejohn wrote: "The AM band is a total mess of noise anyhow, how will more make a difference?"

This is the equivalent of turning a firehose on a man who is in danger of drowning!

Have you got no sense?
 
I got plenty of sense. In fact, I had enough sense to >not< work for an AMer since about 1982 or so. Analog AM has about the viability of a perforated foetus, longterm. Talk of one genre or another is its lot and will likely continue to be. Times change. Change with them, or be left by the wayside.
 
You didn't answer my point.

You have completely written off AM radio as already dead. So why bother with putting more noise via HD onto a dead band? Other than for the purposes of iBiquity and others who can make a few bucks off of the scam Mr. Littlejohn.
 
LJ...if you had "enough sense" and haven't worked for an AM station in 25 years, you may be out of touch with a few things. First, MANY cities' Top stations are AM. All the major cities. They may not play music anymore, but what does programming have to do with anything. We're talking about listenership. It's all about content.

Second, You've missed the company and enthusiasm from some of the most talented people in this industry, both talent, programming and engineering. "Dropping Out" of AM in 1982 is. well, let's just say you missed out on creative thinking, problem solving and, at times, some extremely rewarding moments.
 
Didnt drop out, just didnt happen to have an employer who had one. Still see them on the side. I find them neither more nor less rewarding, or challenging, merely different in some particulars.

The second point is simply incorrect factually in pretty much every point.

Some form of talk seems to be the successful format for AM. Surely that lives better with restricted bandwidth and the possibility of a raised noise floor?

How does this interference affect the digital reception? Sunset the analog and go about your business.
 
Littlejohn merely observes the technical demise of AM radio. And the demise was accomplished BEFORE IBOC.
The band is so jammed now at night that service areas are measured in 10ths of miles for many stations. Even the clears have monkey chatter in the background now.
These stations refuse to keep their directional antenna steered in....owners won't spend the money and you can count on one hand the guys around the country who can REALLY fix them when they go real far south from neglect. The numbers for competent engineers, with directional experience, is dwindling rapidly. And funny thing is....that kid who is the computer genius doesn't have a clue as to where to start....and he doesn't care.
The damage has been done. The technical issues have been ignored for so long that recovery is nearly impossible. How do you put the genie back in the bottle?
Sure, there are still some successful AM's....but,for the most part, they are news/talk formats. IBOC is not the answer....I'm against IBOC for AM ...day or night period!
 
I agree, Taylor Engineer. IBOC is NOT the answer for AM. Neither is restricted bandwidth! The local Clear Channel AM's audio sounds like you're trying to listen to a radio via the telephone. I find it unlistenable. It would appear that at least some of this station's former audience feels the same way...since they reduced their audio quality, their ratings have have dropped to the point that they are no threat to anyone but themselves. They were once a highly rated station. Certainly their lousy audio isn't to blame for all that...they've also screwed up the programming. But they still have Rush, as they have since 1988 or '89...and they can't get anyone to listen now. I've had friends and co-workers who know I'm into radio comment to me how awful this station sounds compared to others and asking why that is. To them I can only explain it away as stupidity. It's either that, or people trying to make AM sound as bad as possible in the hopes of making IBAC succeed by making it sound so much better in comparison. Follow the money. Hello, Clear Channel? Looks to me like this will be the final nail in the coffin for AM. If I owned an AM station, I'd be looking to sell it now...before it's too late.
 
I submit AM was headed to the dumper as a music medium when the auto manufacturers began limiting audio bandwidth in the AM section of their radios.... an earful of which I got from the Delco (Remember them?) guy at an NAB show. The end result of whioch was, "Car radios got limited audio bandwidth". This was in the midst of the AM Stereo Wars, the ASWs being the beginning of the end. Remember them? They >ALL< wiorked... and had one been anointed at the time, we >might< have forestalled the current situation. We might not have, it's moot now anyway. There were even some OEM stereo am radios... too little and too late. I see the current AM digital as a means to deliver a bitstream... which may be worth some money. I don't see it as the salvation of the AM band as a music venue in the near term. Given a revolutionary technology or a revolutionary format, it might well resurge. Till then, the legacy stations seem to survive and make some money talking. The market leaders in small markets keep on truckin'. And the marginal signals with marginal programming continue to do the subacute hurt dance like WGST. I'd be pleased to be surprised and see some of them go up... I ddon't think it's gonna happen though.
 
I just traded cars and bought a used 2004 model. I was pleasantly surprised by the AM radio on this vehicle. I know it's an analog radio, not HD, but when it locks into a station with sufficient signal strength, it phases out the muddy part, and brings in the higher frequencies. I have haerd things on AM I've never heard before! Of course, the hard part is finding a station which plays music I would be interested in hearing (but I think I have that problem on FM nowadays, also).
 
What car and radio model???????
Dave Solinske put Kahn on WSYR years ago. When it didn't get the nod, he left the 5Hz carrier up for some months. If you had anything with a stereo radio (Chrysler at the time put them in a lot of cars) the 5 Hz would open up the IF bandwidth, and WSYR sounded killer, partricularly when compared to the other stations in the market.
 
It's a 2004 Ford Mustang. I don't see a model number on the radio itself, but the speaker system says "Mach" on it. Looks like a factory radio, nothing special. It doesn't seem to be an am stereo unit, if it is they don't make any big deal about it in the owner's manual or on the unit itself. It's hard to know for sure because I don't think anyone locally is still running am stereo. 1210 AM was stereo back when it came on the air, but I doubt they still stereo-cast (now "Music Of Your Life").
 
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