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If equal opportunity rules are brought back

In Boston, AA was placed on WKOX 1200, a dog of a station that was guaranteed to get minimal listenership. I don't think Clear Channel ever wanted AA to catch on. Its hosts were far too wonky, humorless and, frequently, whiny to entertain even longtime, committed liberals.
Yet they put him on a 50 kw mid-band AM in LA, and very good 50 kw stations in Seattle, Portland and Miami. Clear Channel put a big bunch of stations on the network, as they hoped they would have a "left and right" combo to sell, avoiding any feeling of partiality.

The issue is that the hosts were, in my words, too intense. They were not very entertaining and "fun" as they sounded all to often like campaign speeches, not the kind of talk that had proven successful on the conservative side.

I had been a sort of fan of Randi Rhodes since she had been on South Florida radio, but she also became too intense on Air America. Whether this was a failure of the Air America management or just a standard feature of progressive talkers is for others to decide.
 
That said, the Air America network was never on any clear channel outlets; I think the closest it ever got to those were the 1150 outlet in Los Angeles and the 620 outlet in Portland, OR, which were more regional stations and not full clear channel ones.
Air America was on Clear Channel stations in LA, Denver, Santa Barbara, Miami, Albuquerque, Grand Rapids, Portland, San Diego, oDetroit, Seattle and, I believe, San Francisco along with several others I think I have forgotten.

If you meant "clear channel" without the caps, then you had Seattle and Miami at least..
 
Air America was on Clear Channel stations in LA, Denver, Santa Barbara, Miami, Albuquerque, Grand Rapids, Portland, San Diego, oDetroit, Seattle and, I believe, San Francisco along with several others I think I have forgotten.

If you meant "clear channel" without the caps, then you had Seattle and Miami at least..

I was thinking of "clear channel" without the capital letters. Both the Seattle and Miami clear channel stations you cite were, and are, regional clear channel stations (and, in the case of Seattle, not a very good regional one as most of its signal is pointed west towards the Pacific Ocean to protect Calgary, BC, and the 1090 in Rosearito, BN). National (or near national) non-directional clear channel outlets (such as KFI, WLW, WLS, and WABC) never aired any Air America talk shows though their footprints were much broader than the stations you cite.

Does this mean that I think Air America would have survived if it had gained access to some of these national clear channel frequencies? Sadly, I would have to say probably not. Outside of the argument you made in your last post (which applies to conservative as well as liberal talkers), there was a genuine, almost militant backlash to Air America by conservatives--a backlash that you really didn't see from the left against conservative hosts. In addition, people on the left (like yours truly) 1) prefer nice intellectual arguments over the kinds of arguments pushed by their counterparts on the right; and 2) many people on the left don't actually listen to talk radio.
 
I listened to KPHX on occasion when they ran this format. IIRC, both Al Franken and Randi Rhodes aired on 1480, at least for awhile. Unless my memory is fading more than I thought. 😱

Your memory isn't fading. KPHX in its first liberal go-round did carry Air America almost 24/7. When it went liberal talk the second time (after the doors were locked at KNUV--for obvious reasons I never saw the photos though I heard about them), the station *did* carry a mixed bag of Air America shows and non-Air America shows.

Incidentally, KPHX brought in tape-delayed versions of Thom Hartmann from 10pm to 1am after Mike Malloy was dropped (I can't remember if he quit or the station/network dropped him). When Al Franken left the network to run for U.S. senator from Minnesota, KPHX shifted to running Thom Hartmann's program live on weekdays.
 
Your memory isn't fading. KPHX in its first liberal go-round did carry Air America almost 24/7. When it went liberal talk the second time (after the doors were locked at KNUV--for obvious reasons I never saw the photos though I heard about them), the station *did* carry a mixed bag of Air America shows and non-Air America shows.

Incidentally, KPHX brought in tape-delayed versions of Thom Hartmann from 10pm to 1am after Mike Malloy was dropped (I can't remember if he quit or the station/network dropped him). When Al Franken left the network to run for U.S. senator from Minnesota, KPHX shifted to running Thom Hartmann's program live on weekdays.
Air America folded in January of 2010. So explain to me how KPHX continued to carry it afterwards for another 6 years? Sheldon Drobny took it over the second time with an LMA, as 'Nova M Radio. BTW, under Continental Broadcasting ownership, I met the owner several times during the Comedy and MOYL period. Nice people.
 
Air America folded in January of 2010. So explain to me how KPHX continued to carry it afterwards for another 6 years? Sheldon Drobny took it over the second time with an LMA, as 'Nova M Radio. BTW, under Continental Broadcasting ownership, I met the owner several times during the Comedy and MOYL period. Nice people.

You are correct--I had forgotten about Nova-M which carried several former Air America hosts after that network folded.
 
As I recall, the Fairness Doctrine was dropped by a majority Republican FCC and allowed shows like Limbaugh and Hannity to proliferate. So, if it is revived, will we see stations carrying these right-wing talkers be required to provide time for opposing opinions? Will that send a lot of talk stations into spasms?
 
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As I recall, the Fairness Doctrine was dropped by a majority Republican FCC and allowed shows like Limbaugh and Hannity to proliferate. So, if it is revived, will we see stations carrying these right-wing talkers be required to provide time for opposing opinions? Will that send a lot of talk stations into spasms?

No. While both Salem and IHeart have made that claim in the past, keep in mind that the Fairness Doctrine didn't have a one-to-one ratio requirement, only that if you aired views on one side of a controversial issue, you needed to, at some time, air the other side of that issue. There was no equal time requirement; hell, there was no requirement that the opposite view had to be aired by a proponent of that view; all you had to do was (I'm assuming) mention it in a single sentence (Some people argue that...) and that was it. No. All the Fairness Doctrine required was that you acknowledge the existence of the opposite view.
 
As I recall, the Fairness Doctrine was dropped by a majority Republican FCC and allowed shows like Limbaugh and Hannity to proliferate. So, if it is revived, will we see stations carrying these right-wing talkers be required to provide time for opposing opinions? Will that send a lot of talk stations into spasms?

I explained in another thread less than two weeks ago that the Fairness Doctrine and the Equal Time Rule are not the same thing, and @michael hagerty followed up with further clarification:
 
I was thinking of "clear channel" without the capital letters. Both the Seattle and Miami clear channel stations you cite were, and are, regional clear channel stations (and, in the case of Seattle, not a very good regional one as most of its signal is pointed west towards the Pacific Ocean to protect Calgary, BC, and the 1090 in Rosearito, BN). National (or near national) non-directional clear channel outlets (such as KFI, WLW, WLS, and WABC) never aired any Air America talk shows though their footprints were much broader than the stations you cite.
But, out of the roughly 5,000 AMs at that time, only 24 were 1-A clears. And each, at the time, already had a very successful format that nobody could expect would be changed for an unproven concept.

And the way radio has worked for five or six decades is based on local home markets. Stations in LA don't get extra revenue if they cover the Inland Empire, for example. In the cases I cited, as well as with many... but not all... of the Air America affiliates, the stations were adequate for their markets.

And the network failed because it could not sustain its significant initial momentum. We can debate whether it was badly managed, badly programmed, had the wrong hosts or whatever, but the fact is that it got on some pretty good stations.
Does this mean that I think Air America would have survived if it had gained access to some of these national clear channel frequencies? Sadly, I would have to say probably not.
No, because the success of a station in the early part of this Millennium was based on its "home" market ratings, not skywave listening hundreds of miles away.
Outside of the argument you made in your last post (which applies to conservative as well as liberal talkers), there was a genuine, almost militant backlash to Air America by conservatives--a backlash that you really didn't see from the left against conservative hosts.
I was involved in talk radio as the national manager of all the HBC / Univision AM stations when Air America came on the scene, and I never sensed any kind of significant backlash by anyone. Sure, just as Rush and his cohorts were criticized by liberals, the hosts on Air America got bashed by vocal conservatives, but that happens with all controversial subjects.

The biggest criticism I heard within the industry, such as at Talkers conventions, was that the hosts were "campaigning" and not "entertaining". Hoist on their own petard, I think.
In addition, people on the left (like yours truly) 1) prefer nice intellectual arguments over the kinds of arguments pushed by their counterparts on the right; and 2) many people on the left don't actually listen to talk radio.
The analysis of "the left" finds that, for radio, there are too many subsets of liberals. There are those who are purely environmentally motivated, those that are racial equality motivated, those that favor bigger government ownership of the economy and so on.

I studied this deeply about 25 years ago, as I was programming stations in NYC, Miami, Chicago, LA, Dallas, Houston, LA, San Antonio, McAllen and several more.
 
In fact, in the 70's and 80's, AMs were generally expected to submit renewal applications with 8% minimum non-entertainment programming (news, PA, religion, education, etc.) while FMs were judged poorly if they did not do at least 6%.

A lot was done Sunday 4 AM to 10 AM and lots of news in overnights.

One station I know did an hourly 90 second "Radio Rock Confidencial" which was a translation of supermarket tabloid articles. They logged it as news, and took about 4 hours worth of news credit each week from that.
Yeah, I remember those days. It was hard to find a station playing music on Sunday mornings as a result. And when I had to get up super-early on a weekday morning for the start of a family trip, I discovered that my favorite FM music station had a one hour public affairs block on weekday mornings starting at 4 AM. They got back to the music just as we were leaving...

In that same era, I remember at least one Seattle station that ran network newscasts overnight to help meet their 6% quota.
 
In that same era, I remember at least one Seattle station that ran network newscasts overnight to help meet their 6% quota.

During my brief tenure in afternoons at a Beautiful Music station in 1977-78, I had to record the overnight TOH newscasts before I went home. The ones that played from 7:00pm to midnight were our usual 90 seconds in length, but the ones from 1:00am to 5:00am were six minutes long.

And from 5:00am to 6:00am, I also recorded 90 seconds of agribusiness news to run in all three breaks, which the station logged as one hour of Farm programming every day.

I do not remember how we handled the public affairs commitment. Maybe we simulcast the AM.

I was actually relieved when I was let go in a staff reduction ... especially since the next day another station in the market offered me the PD position there (first time in that chair, but hardly the last).
 
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