If Imus gets fired, so should w&j on KIOL!

[Rex Tremendae]

For years the racist comments and slurs from the mouths of walton & johnson have far surpassed Don Imus in their offensive content.

Johnson is a white guy who puts on a black character voice called Mr. O.

Johnson portrays his black Mr. O character as: lazy, stupid, a thief, and a crackhead who "wants the white women."
Johnson's black character is portrayed as always late for the show because he's lazy; someone who loots during disasters and riots stealing big screen TVs and such; someone who likes cocaine and marijuana and likes white women.

The voice Steve Johnson uses behind his Mr. O radio character is an Amos & Andy, minstrel type.

Walton & Johnson should be fired for numerous reasons from lack of ratings to inflicting bad radio with strong political opinions that appeal to the uneducated.

So sayeth Rex.

And whatever became of that lie that by March 07, w&j would be on stations in Memphis, Austin, & Shreveport? It was a sad lie of desperation from a dellusional mind.

 

[HoustonRocker2]

Not so sure that W & J should be fired. Mr. Eaux (spelled correctly if you did your research) represents the stereotypical black person. Don Imus made specific racist remarks toward a group of people. Very different. Personally I think it's pretty funny.

 

[ChuckTiller]

Hudson & Harrigan had a black character, too. He was known as "Tyrone Tyrone Tyrone." He was on the 'special teams' on the Houston Oilers. There was nothing ever racialially insensitive with this character. Just because a character is black doesn't mean it's demeaning. Jim-Bob Jumpback is portrayed as a redneck from Katy. There are some who could find those characters demeaning.

The character that W&J represents one individual who indulges in those things that were previously posted. W&J doesn't infer that all blacks are represented by that character. That is the difference. The only time I saw W&J was at the Cumulus Christmas party in 2005. I don't really know them or listen to them. I'm on the samew time they are on the air.

 

[stan]

If Imus is fired, every rap and hip-hop station should have their license suspended for their misogynistic crap they play on the airwaves as well. I doubt this will happen.

 

[Rex Tremendae]

Mr. Eaux (spelled correctly if you did your research) represents the stereotypical black person.

I know they spell it Eaux, but it irritates the gawds, just like they hate it when people spell w&j with lower case letters.

You made my point about Steve Johnson's black character voice. You say he represents the stereotypical black person.
He is portrayed as a lazy, stupid, thief who uses drugs and wants "the white women." Exactly, Mr. Eaux/O IS AN OFFENSIVE STEREOTYPE OF BLACK PEOPLE, MADE BY A WHITE GUY USING AN AMOS & ANDY VOICE. IT'S PRACTICALLY AUDIO BLACKFACE, AND A PLATFORM FOR WALTON & JOHNSON TO PERFORM MATERIAL FROM THE BLANCHE KNOTT TRULY TASTELESS JOKE SERIES!

Hudson & Harrigan had a black character, too. He was known as....................................... b]

This is 2007, not the 1970s. It doesn't matter what some extinct dinosaurs did "back in the day."

Nationwide, how many radio personalities are white people that go on air DAILY with a "black character?"

White guy pretending to be black on air every day? Sounds like a potential p.r. disaster.

So sayeth Rex.

 

[DJboutit3]

W & J suck bad I can not stand them the arrow has a great morinig show I listen every chance I get dump them & find some better people that can get the job done.

 

[ChuckTiller]

As far as the term 'gawds,' is concerned, Stevens and Pruitt coined that phrase long before W&J. Rex, with all due respect, I was producer of the Hudson & Harrigan Show from 1987-1997. It was NOT the 1970s when the character Tyrone was on H&H. When I left KILT (the 1st time) in 1997, the character was still part of the show. Depending on how you catagorize time, ten years ago is NOT 'back in the day.' That Hudson & Harrigan is still on, today!

Extinct dinosaurs? I find that discriminatory about age. I am offended. I won't call for you to be fired for your insensitive remarks.

 

[DaveCrockett]

Perhaps I'm misguided on this whole race relations things, I have to wonder why there are no white people marching outside the black prostitutes’ house near Duke University. I'm sure those white guys who were falsely accused of rape feel even worse than the Rutgers women’s basketball team. And for the record I would rather be called "nappy headed" than be accused of being a rapist.

Which brings me to another point: White people don't have any spokespeople. It's not fashionable. If we did we would all be asked to call for the black prostitute to be fired from her 'ho job! Would it be wrong to call her a "nappy headed ho" or would somebody get in trouble for that? No doubt Al and Jessie would pay you a visit with a bunch of unemployed people marching with home-made looking signs.

Dave E. Crockett
www.dxsradio.com

 

[snoman]

Chuck, not to get off topic, and I'll get back to W&J in a moment, but let's say KKTL was still on the air, and Imus were still the morning show, and let's say for kicks and grins, you're the PD. Do you yank the show? I know you were at KKTL at that time. What would you do now, if that were the scenario? I'm just trying to get some opinions on the issue.


As far as Walton & Johnson go, I have never understood their hype. I think I've laughed all of twice, when I've been forced to listen to them, while riding with others. I always wondered why CC didn't put BOB & TOM on after they decided to oust Pruett, Shannon, & The Boner from KLOL?! BOB & TOM aren't the greatest, but they're a hell of a lot funnier than W&J. And I agree, DEAN & ROG on KKRW are much better. Although, I think they're a little stale too (The Redneck Roy bit needs to go). That or Premiere should syndicate PHIL & BRENT out of KMOD/Tulsa (the birthplace of Roy D. Mercer, who I'm sure KKRW got the idea of "Redneck Roy" from. I wish I could see some overall numbers on KIOL, especially TSL & CUME. I can't listen to them for more than five minutes. And, how they can still image themselves as "Rock" is beyond me. I've heard harder stuff on KHMX.

 

[its time w (your name)]

Interesting someone should mention "Redneck Roy." Isnt he a stereotype of rural white Texans? I dont see demands for D&R's dismissal. Where is the redneck people's "Jessie Jackson?"

By the way, I agree w/ some of W&J's opinions, and I am far from "uneducated," but I guess thats just the mindset of the Elitist ideology.

If I were PD for Imus, I would respond to those wanting his head with, "I'll fire Imus when I can listen to rap music and not hear words like "N___", "b____, and Ho's, or even a group called--- get this---"Nappy Roots." I hear impressions of stereotypical black people done by---guess who?---black people.
How is it you can find a word or an impression so offensive if you use it yourself? To me, that disqualifies you from your victimhood.

All people of one race do not think as a blok. This was a concerted effort by professional inciters. Not that I care anything about Imus. The "nappy" bit does show his idiocy.

But the best thing we can do in America is learn to get over things. When I was 5 we had a saying: "Sticks & stones...." which I would now modify by adding...."but you really showed me what a dumbass you are by saying that..." and I wont be buying your product anymore. See? Capitalism censors itself.

 

[ChuckTiller]

Snoman, when the story broke, the 1st person I thought about was Roger Gray, as he was the PD of KKTL. I thought, what would he do? The way we handled Imus, was by delaying him one hour. Roger would watch him on MSNBC. If he felt Imus said anything out of line, he would call Chad Stevens back at KKTL and have him edit the remark out. The 5AM hour would run at 6AM and so on. Chances are, Houston may have never heard the remark.

What Imus said was certainly inappropriate. We have all heard far worse things said on the radio. I don't think it was racist. I just think it was stupid. I can't tell you how many times I've said something stupid. I would continue to carry him to see the response. Since KKTL was up against KTRH and KPRC, it would give publicity to KKTL. The old saying in show business is, 'say anything about me; just spell my name right and pronounce it right.' However, if the response was way to negative, then the I-man would have to go.

Of course, CBS may fire him, which would make it a moot point.

 

[rogergray]

Chuck has a good memory about our precautions on Imus. The delay helped us head off anything that might light up the phone, in the wrong way, or endanger license or income. And I think that’s what this boiled down to for MSNBC and perhaps CBS. When Proctor & Gamble and Staples said “no mas”, you knew the writing was on the wall. I hear GM and Ford were also antsy and on the verge, so NBC decided to stop the bleeding. This is a cold business and no matter how reprehensible his remarks were, like the mob, it’s just business, not personal. I have always liked Imus and knew full well he trampled all over the line. But times have changed. I remarked to a friend the other day that Mel Brooks would have trouble making Blazing Saddles today. However you feel about the early 70’s being looser than now, that is the reality and we all live with it. I can’t say I’ve heard the show that started this thread, but their character sounds career limiting in a big, fat, multi-cultural city like Houston. Do they do an Arab? Do they do a Jewish voice? Do they do a Spanish character? An Asian? If I were them, I’d rethink it. All this sounds very Kumbaya, I know, but in some cases guys, what we now like to call politically correct used to be called good manners. He picked a harmless and particularly sympathetic target this time, and screwed up. It doesn’t matter how annoying anyone finds Sharpton and Jackson; and their sanctimony is a bit much, Imus screwed up big time, and he’s paying. Anyone making less than he does, which is all of us, and can’t afford to hang it up right now ought to reexamine our show characters and adjust accordingly. Times change.

 

[snoman]

Thanks Chuck, Dave E. and "It's Time". I didn't realize Imus had been on MSNBC that long?! That was a smart idea to delay him an hour on KKTL.

Dave E. & "It's Time" make great points. I will also add that no one is talking about how Imus, this past election year, campaigned hard for Congressman Harold Ford, Jr. to become the next US Senator from Tennessee. He'd have Harold on about two or three times a week leading up to the election. And, when Ford lost, he jumped all over the people of that state, saying the only reason Ford didn't get the job was because they would not elect a Black man to that position in a southern state and that nothing had obviously changed in Tennessee, that it was still just a bunch of stupid racist rednecks that wouldn't elect a Black Man. That's why it's obvious to me, that many people who are outraged about Imus have either never listed to his show or have only heard some of the more salty soundbites from his show. As I said in other posts, what he said was over-the-line, he was ignorant, stupid, insulting, and degrading. There are times in life when we all make stupid comments that we wished we'd never said and don't really mean. Sometimes they're said in anger, sometimes in sadness, sometimes in humor. It doesn't make us bad people, it makes us dumb for the moment. You realize later, and you apologize and hope you can learn from the experience.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are hardly credible people that are calling for Imus's head. Jesse Jackson once called New York "Hymie" Town, referring to the Jewish population. But, where were they when Star and Buc Wild on Hot 97 and Power 105.1 in NYC, and various syndicated stations, were offending people left and right. I don't have all their quotes in front of me, but you find some of them on these boards. And, yes Hip-Hoppers, Rappers, and even people who produce movies with this kind of language are ALL RESPONSIBLE. If you wan't "old-assed white men" (as Snoop Dogg called Imus, in his response to this) to stop using phrases like this, then you need to stop using it yourself. The difference is, Imus was making a joke. He didn't do it out of anger, bitterness and hatred. It's not a joke for these Rappers, this is the lifestyle they lead. They degrade and humiliate women (and yes the women let them and that's a whole other problem) in their music. If Sharpton and Jackson want to make a REAL difference, start in the Black Community and work toward making these Rappers and Hip-Hoppers understand that what they say is no different than what Imus said. The only difference is skin color... it's still hate. Like I said, I don't agree at all with what Imus said. He was wrong to use that phrase and I don't condone it. I just think most of the people that are complaining in droves have never listened to the show before and don't know Imus well enough to pass judgement over his entire body of work.

 

[ChuckTiller]

Well, it's over for Don, now. WFAN (CBS) has fired him. Roger is right, times change; if you are going to do a show be careful of what you and your characters say. Imus will most likely land on one of the birds. He has a big following.

 

[upstate29651]

Well, it's over for Don, now. WFAN (CBS) has fired him. Roger is right, times change; if you are going to do a show be careful of what you and your characters say. Imus will most likely land on one of the birds. He has a big following.

Ummm, no. XM/Sirius won't touch him with a 10 foot pole. The last thing these companies need is a lightning rod when they're seeking congressional oversight approval for their upcoming merger.

G

 

[snoman]

Well, it's over for Don, now. WFAN (CBS) has fired him. Roger is right, times change; if you are going to do a show be careful of what you and your characters say. Imus will most likely land on one of the birds. He has a big following.

Ummm, no. XM/Sirius won't touch him with a 10 foot pole. The last thing these companies need is a lightning rod when they're seeking congressional oversight approval for their upcoming merger.

G

I really don't think that congress cares about the content on Satellite Radio, since it is subscription based. There is all kinds of "adult" and "edgy" programming on both XM & especially Sirius. Imus is good friends with Mel Karmazin, who is running Sirius now. He's the one that brought Stern on board. Don't be surprised if Imus is next.

 

[stan]

Someone will hire Imus, if he wants to still work in radio. The screwup by CBS and MSNBC will be someone else's opportunity.

This is just another example of how radio is now being run by "pinheads" as David Letterman used to refer to his NBC friends. On the one hand, a company will fire someone for a comment that they made, yet have other stations playing misogynistic rap/hip-hop music that is much more degrading to women than Imus' comments that have been replayed over and over for the past week.

 

[upstate29651]

Well, it's over for Don, now. WFAN (CBS) has fired him. Roger is right, times change; if you are going to do a show be careful of what you and your characters say. Imus will most likely land on one of the birds. He has a big following.

Ummm, no. XM/Sirius won't touch him with a 10 foot pole. The last thing these companies need is a lightning rod when they're seeking congressional oversight approval for their upcoming merger.

G

I really don't think that congress cares about the content on Satellite Radio, since it is subscription based. There is all kinds of "adult" and "edgy" programming on both XM & especially Sirius. Imus is good friends with Mel Karmazin, who is running Sirius now. He's the one that brought Stern on board. Don't be surprised if Imus is next.

I said nothing about the current content on Sat radio. The XM/Siruis merger is going to be uber-difficult to achieve as both entities stand now. Bring Imus into the mix, and you give "certain groups" a reason to be vocal against the merger.

G

 

[snoman]

Well, it's over for Don, now. WFAN (CBS) has fired him. Roger is right, times change; if you are going to do a show be careful of what you and your characters say. Imus will most likely land on one of the birds. He has a big following.

Ummm, no. XM/Sirius won't touch him with a 10 foot pole. The last thing these companies need is a lightning rod when they're seeking congressional oversight approval for their upcoming merger.

G

I really don't think that congress cares about the content on Satellite Radio, since it is subscription based. There is all kinds of "adult" and "edgy" programming on both XM & especially Sirius. Imus is good friends with Mel Karmazin, who is running Sirius now. He's the one that brought Stern on board. Don't be surprised if Imus is next.

I said nothing about the current content on Sat radio. The XM/Siruis merger is going to be uber-difficult to achieve as both entities stand now. Bring Imus into the mix, and you give "certain groups" a reason to be vocal against the merger.

G

Point taken. I don't see the merger going through anyway, Imus or not. They didn't approve the DIRECTV/DISH merger, and that was with a Republican Majority. I seriously cannot see a Democratic Majority approving this, at least I hope not!

 

[ChuckTiller]

Upstate, if not on a bird, there is always some sort of ad-hoc network that can be put together to allow Imus to broadcast. It's easy enough to do, with today's technology. He could do his show on the internet, too. If he is wanted enough, somebody will make it happen. As I stated before, he has a big following.