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If the Hot 100 doesnt mean anything, why have it

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viper452

In the end, its the most important chart of a song's success. Selena Gomez's "big" hit and that blackout song are not going to be viewed too fondly a few years down the road If you are looking up "how successful" it was.

Books, wikipedia, only mention billboard's chart and thats it. None others matter.
 
Charts don't exist for music fans. They exist for people who do business in a large industry that's predicated upon playing the right records at the right times. To that end, charts exist to document song activity in defined formats.
 
viper452 said:
In the end, its the most important chart of a song's success. Selena Gomez's "big" hit and that blackout song are not going to be viewed too fondly a few years down the road If you are looking up "how successful" it was.

Books, wikipedia, only mention billboard's chart and thats it. None others matter.
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No offense, but you are completely delusional - either that or you work for Billboard

This site deals with radio, and radio programmers could care less how a song performs on the Hot 100 - and, if it even matters lol, Wikipedia mentions format airplay charts constantly
 
atlantaboy said:
viper452 said:
In the end, its the most important chart of a song's success. Selena Gomez's "big" hit and that blackout song are not going to be viewed too fondly a few years down the road If you are looking up "how successful" it was.

Books, wikipedia, only mention billboard's chart and thats it. None others matter.
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No offense, but you are completely delusional - either that or you work for Billboard

This site deals with radio, and radio programmers could care less how a song performs on the Hot 100 - and, if it even matters lol, Wikipedia mentions format airplay charts constantly
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This.

Genre specific airplay charts are MUCH more important to radio programmers than the Hot 100.
 
Well then everyone else is delusional around me.

Face it, the Hot 100 IS the end all be all of a song's success. Katy Perry has had X amount of number 1 hit songs. Guess what chart they are talking about. Yeah, you guessed it.
 
How many number 1 hits did the Beatles have? Guess what chart they are referring to

How many number 1 hits has Lady Gaga had? Guess what chart they are referring to

The end all, be all billboard hot 100.
 
viper452 said:
Face it, the Hot 100 IS the end all be all of a song's success. Katy Perry has had X amount of number 1 hit songs. Guess what chart they are talking about.
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Who is they? You hang out with people who sit around and quote the Billboard Hot 100?
 
viper452 said:
How many number 1 hits did the Beatles have? Guess what chart they are referring to

How many number 1 hits has Lady Gaga had? Guess what chart they are referring to
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How many Number 1 hits has Linkin Park had? Guess what chart they are referring to...the Alternative chart

How many Number 1 hits has Alan Jackson had? Guess what chart they are referring to...the Country chart

How many Number 1 hits has Pink had? Guess what chart they are referring to...the CHR chart

It's not Number 1 until it's Number 1 on your format's airplay chart!!
 
viper452 said:
99 percent of the general public doesnt follow all these other charts. What matters is the Hot 100, Period.
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99 Percent of the general public doesn't follow the Hot 100 either

What matters are airplay charts, Period.
 
I'm kind of amazed that this thread is actually a thing.

As was mentioned earlier, this is a forum dealing with radio programming. The Hot 100 is fine for record labels and for posterity's sake to measure an overall song's success through the year. A completely different concept from format-specific airplay charts, which are necessary for programming format-specific radio stations (which would be pretty much every radio station).

End of discussion. Move along.
 
atlantaboy said:
viper452 said:
How many number 1 hits did the Beatles have? Guess what chart they are referring to

How many number 1 hits has Lady Gaga had? Guess what chart they are referring to
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How many Number 1 hits has Linkin Park had? Guess what chart they are referring to...the Alternative chart

How many Number 1 hits has Alan Jackson had? Guess what chart they are referring to...the Country chart

How many Number 1 hits has Pink had? Guess what chart they are referring to...the CHR chart

It's not Number 1 until it's Number 1 on your format's airplay chart!!
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Wow, you're just trolling now. Linkin Park hasnt had any number 1 hits.
 
atlantaboy said:
viper452 said:
99 percent of the general public doesnt follow all these other charts. What matters is the Hot 100, Period.
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99 Percent of the general public doesn't follow the Hot 100 either

What matters are airplay charts, Period.
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LOL WAT? Its the only chart 99 percent of the population follows.

Be more wrong though, its hillarious
 
And you made my point EXACTLY with the Pink reference. Guess what chart they are referring to when they say how many number hits has she had. Yep, you guessed it, the billboard hot 100.

99 percent of the public, media, ect dont care about some rare bullshit radio chart. Its all about the Hot 100, since the 1950s till now.

A song that stalls in the 20s is pretty weak, no matter what kind of airplay it had.
 
viper452 said:
atlantaboy said:
viper452 said:
How many number 1 hits did the Beatles have? Guess what chart they are referring to

How many number 1 hits has Lady Gaga had? Guess what chart they are referring to
Click to expand...

How many Number 1 hits has Linkin Park had? Guess what chart they are referring to...the Alternative chart

How many Number 1 hits has Alan Jackson had? Guess what chart they are referring to...the Country chart

How many Number 1 hits has Pink had? Guess what chart they are referring to...the CHR chart

It's not Number 1 until it's Number 1 on your format's airplay chart!!
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Wow, you're just trolling now. Linkin Park hasnt had any number 1 hits.
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Sure they have - on the Alternative chart - the only chart that REALLY matters

Songs aren't #1 unless they hit #1 on the Alternative chart!!
 
I really don't want to jump into this pis*ing contest, because most people don't care about music charts. They care about the music they like.

However, historically, outside sources like MTV or VH1 or music articles on Yahoo or CNN, etc use the Hot 100 when documenting a song's success.

Watch any episode of the VH1's Greatest Hits of the '00s and if charts are mentioned at all, they are referencing the Billboard Hot 100. Radio airplay charts only matter to geeks like us.

The same goes with Katy Perry tying Michael Jackson's record for most #1s from the same album- every article I read used the Billboard chart as the gold standard.
 
justpassingthough said:
However, historically, outside sources like MTV or VH1 or music articles on Yahoo or CNN, etc use the Hot 100 when documenting a song's success.

Watch any episode of the VH1's Greatest Hits of the '00s and if charts are mentioned at all, they are referencing the Billboard Hot 100.
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Only if they are referring to genres that do well on the Hot 100, or time periods before 1994 when the Hot 100 was a pop chart

Watch a documentary on Linkin Park, Alanis Morissette, Counting Crows, etc. and I guarantee you the Hot 100 won't even be mentioned.
 
atlantaboy said:
justpassingthough said:
However, historically, outside sources like MTV or VH1 or music articles on Yahoo or CNN, etc use the Hot 100 when documenting a song's success.

Watch any episode of the VH1's Greatest Hits of the '00s and if charts are mentioned at all, they are referencing the Billboard Hot 100.
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Only if they are referring to genres that do well on the Hot 100, or time periods before 1994 when the Hot 100 was a pop chart

Watch a documentary on Linkin Park, Alanis Morissette, Counting Crows, etc. and I guarantee you the Hot 100 won't even be mentioned.
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Both of the examples I brought up clearly happened post 1994, yet the Hot 100 was used in both instances.

I'm not saying the Hot 100 was or is the best chart out there- but it is the most commonly used chart for referencing a song's popularity, whether its right or wrong.

I'm sure you could come up with a million examples of when the Hot 100 wasn't used, but his original question focused on why they use the Hot 100 if it doesn't mean anything. I think the answer in that lies in historic reasons- as its still considered the gold standard for chart success, whether you agree or not.
 
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