If WINS were to go FM what would it be called?

[wpb1999]

I guess they could just stay with 1010 Wins but what do you think?

 

[nd2023]

94.7 Wins

 

[Ryan Williams]

94.7 Wins

Doesn't quite have the same ring.

 

[radioman148]

Are you thinking simulcast or FM only? If it's a simulcast I'd guess they'd do it like WBBM in Chicago.

 

[radioguy39nj]

I doubt WINS would go to FM, given that WCBS-AM is CBS' flagship station. If WINS did go to FM, it probably wouldn't go in its current form. On FM, WINS would have far better coverage in the suburbs, long a stronghold for WCBS. WINS has always concentrated on NYC, WCBS has been more national in scope.

The same NYC stories every 20 minutes probably isn't a good idea on a class B NYC FM. WINS-FM, if ever there is one, should become a news-based talk station. It could be like KGO, with three news blocks per day (AM drive, noon and PM drive) and talk the rest of the time. With that setup, WINS-FM can remain true to its news roots and even talk about the news they're reporting.

Relax, it's not happening anytime soon, if ever!

 

[radioman148]

I doubt WINS would go to FM, given that WCBS-AM is CBS' flagship station. If WINS did go to FM, it probably wouldn't go in its current form. On FM, WINS would have far better coverage in the suburbs, long a stronghold for WCBS. WINS has always concentrated on NYC, WCBS has been more national in scope.

The same NYC stories every 20 minutes probably isn't a good idea on a class B NYC FM. WINS-FM, if ever there is one, should become a news-based talk station. It could be like KGO, with three news blocks per day (AM drive, noon and PM drive) and talk the rest of the time. With that setup, WINS-FM can remain true to its news roots and even talk about the news they're reporting.

Relax, it's not happening anytime soon, if ever!

I think that was the point of whomever posted this idea. WINS has limited coverage, good in the city, poor in other places. WCBS can be heard very well everywhere. For the record I agree with you--I'd be very surprised if WINS went to FM anytime soon.

 

[badjef]

"WINS-FM. Now on FM."

With Dueling teletypes.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[radioman148]

"WINS-FM. Now on FM."

With Dueling teletypes.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

In stereo

 

[jhguthlac]

Call/frequency branding has been important to the news stations since the beginning. 1010 WINS and KYW 1060. Yesterday, 610 WIP became known as 94WIP, with its move to FM coupled with remaining on AM.

Putting 1010 WINS also on FM would take a major marketing campaign to get people used to the idea.

 

[badjef]

Call/frequency branding has been important to the news stations since the beginning. 1010 WINS and KYW 1060. Yesterday, 610 WIP became known as 94WIP, with its move to FM coupled with remaining on AM.

Putting 1010 WINS also on FM would take a major marketing campaign to get people used to the idea.

Nope, it wouldn't. The curiosity of on-air mentions would be sufficient.

However, the fact that you will need an antenna, would.

New York is different from the other markets. The Empire signals are no match for the 50kw New York AM's.

If AM had gone stereo in the 60's (as it should have), music, would have taken longer to migrate. Try picking up an Empire FM on the beach in Seaside Heights. But WABC is heard nicely, even today.

Now, that is changing because of the interference being generated making AM reception more and more difficult and unreliable.

The radio reception, in concert with the programming, needs to reflect the lifestyle of the listener. It is why they put the AM reception inside the tunnels.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[badjef]

"WINS-FM. Now on FM."

With Dueling teletypes.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

In stereo

Sure, wouldn't be the first time. They were in C-QuAM.

Come to think about it, BECAUSE they were C-QuAM, it WOULD be the first time they were in stereo. ;D

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[radioman148]

New FM slogan "1010 WINS now in Northern New Jersey"

 

[davideduardo]

New York is different from the other markets. The Empire signals are no match for the 50kw New York AM's.

And that would explain why in 25-54 AM listening is only 12% of the total, and in 18-49 it's 11%... 18-34 is down to 7%.

For home and work listening, the 64 dbu of FM and the 10 mV/M of AM are where about 95% of reported listening occurs... and the ESB B's and stations like WABC and WCBS are pretty well matched on that metric. WABC has about 13 million people in the 10 mv/m, while WXNY has about 14 million.

 

[reelyreal]

"WINS-FM. Now on FM."

With Dueling teletypes.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

In stereo

Sure, wouldn't be the first time. They were in C-QuAM.

Come to think about it, BECAUSE they were C-QuAM, it WOULD be the first time they were in stereo. ;D

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

Hey! No hatin' on C-QuAM!

 

[radioman148]

"WINS-FM. Now on FM."

With Dueling teletypes.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

In stereo

Sure, wouldn't be the first time. They were in C-QuAM.

Come to think about it, BECAUSE they were C-QuAM, it WOULD be the first time they were in stereo. ;D

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

Hey! No hatin' on C-QuAM!

I wish certain stations would bring it back & get rid of IBOC.

 

[badjef]

New York is different from the other markets. The Empire signals are no match for the 50kw New York AM's.

And that would explain why in 25-54 AM listening is only 12% of the total, and in 18-49 it's 11%... 18-34 is down to 7%.

For home and work listening, the 64 dbu of FM and the 10 mV/M of AM are where about 95% of reported listening occurs... and the ESB B's and stations like WABC and WCBS are pretty well matched on that metric. WABC has about 13 million people in the 10 mv/m, while WXNY has about 14 million.

I knew I would hit the "G" nerve with that comment.

New York City is the center of the universe. The people who pay attention to New York don’t all live in New York – state or City. People from New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and Delaware commute DAILY to the City. They run out of Empire signals long before they get home. Because of the short-spaced FM’s and the heavy hitting signals from the 50kw’s, the AM’s follow them home.
The power of the signals are there but because of adjacent, the FM’s are lost. Drive in Princeton and look for Z-100 or CBS-FM and they aren’t there. 660, 710, 770, 880, 1010, 1130, are all there. Noise interference is problematic all over the AM dial all over the area, but tolerable, today.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[joebtsflk1]

I was going to say that these big city class B FMs would be better served if they could assume C1 equivalent facilities and 60 dBu service contours instead of 54 dBu, which of course they can't under the present rules and considerable short-spacing examples.

We might not ever see TV channel 6 get repurposed for radio, but we might just see repacking of the current FM band to allow co-located full-power FMs to be on 3rd adjacents, rather than 4th adjacents as we have now.

 

[badjef]

I was going to say that these big city class B FMs would be better served if they could assume C1 equivalent facilities and 60 dBu service contours instead of 54 dBu, which of course they can't under the present rules and considerable short-spacing examples.

We might not ever see TV channel 6 get repurposed for radio, but we might just see repacking of the current FM band to allow co-located full-power FMs to be on 3rd adjacents, rather than 4th adjacents as we have now.

2 thoughts here:

1.) When the the FM spacings were proposed, the receiver designs available were not selective enough for closer spacing. Now, it's too late in most markets. 94.7 and 105.9 in New York are the only frequencies available in the commercial band available to test the current designs. I used to equate the Sensitivity vs. selectivity problem in radios as similar to car engine designs between gas mileage vs. exhaust waste.

2.) There is a de-facto "repurposing" of Channels 6 occuring. I don't see the FCC actively targeting the elimination of FM Stereo 87.7. Unless there are complaints of interference - and I think that is where the ruling will eventually get pushed - the FCC members will kick the can toward the next group of commisioners.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[radioman148]

I was going to say that these big city class B FMs would be better served if they could assume C1 equivalent facilities and 60 dBu service contours instead of 54 dBu, which of course they can't under the present rules and considerable short-spacing examples.

We might not ever see TV channel 6 get repurposed for radio, but we might just see repacking of the current FM band to allow co-located full-power FMs to be on 3rd adjacents, rather than 4th adjacents as we have now.

2 thoughts here:

1.) When the the FM spacings were proposed, the receiver designs available were not selective enough for closer spacing. Now, it's too late in most markets. 94.7 and 105.9 in New York are the only frequencies available in the commercial band available to test the current designs. I used to equate the Sensitivity vs. selectivity problem in radios as similar to car engine designs between gas mileage vs. exhaust waste.

2.) There is a de-facto "repurposing" of Channels 6 occuring. I don't see the FCC actively targeting the elimination of FM Stereo 87.7. Unless there are complaints of interference - and I think that is where the ruling will eventually get pushed - the FCC members will kick the can toward the next group of commisioners.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

"Kicking the can down the road". Something that government agencies know all too well.

 

[badjef]

The "kick the can" mentality is a human behavior.

I only wish I could isolate it to D.C. bureaucrats. It would be much simpler to fix.

But they are much more fun to poke fun at.


Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!