WDAF has the Fox DVS on its SAP, KCPT has the PBS DVS on its SAP, the other stations offer nothing on their SAPs
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If your local stations offer anything on their SAPs, what do they offer?
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Well, KOPB -03 has this "OPB Music" thing on its secondary SAP (mostly Portland-based "wannabe" rock & roll bands; total rubbish, really) and a simulcast of KMHD on the third. They use that part of the mux for simulcasting of their radio services. Qubo has Spanish dubs on its -02, but only on one channel (the left, I think); rather difficult to listen to with earphones. Don't know what the rest have; probably just all Spanish stuff.
Until May of 2008, KOPB had its Golden Hours radio reading service on its NTSC SAP channel and KPXG had a simulcast of KIG98 (until Salem got its own NOAA station, which they then carried instead.)
Until May of 2008, KOPB had its Golden Hours radio reading service on its NTSC SAP channel and KPXG had a simulcast of KIG98 (until Salem got its own NOAA station, which they then carried instead.)
One of our PBS stations here in Phoenix market offers "descriptive audio" or whatever it's called- for the blind. I like to play around with CC and SAP and left it on one day, got A)no voice during commercials (yay) and descriptive for the audio:
"the man walks up the stairs and switches off the lamp beside him" in a quiet man's voice. I'm not in a place right now to test it again I apologize, but I am almost certain it WAS one of the PBS stations (8.2?) but won't swear to it. Give SAP a try, you may find some of your stations offer the service for blind viewers.
off topic, but CC too have it's advantages: on that Progressive ad, with William Shatner and the blonde girl who speaks in Mandarin something regarding a monk- we get the translation! in the CC text it read: "translation from Mandarin: he said you still owed him five bucks" which I thought was awesome. Viewers not using the close captioning would never know what she said! I've read some funny text too, I was surprised at what some texters type for some of the "funny" sounds and curse words. Some typers are more conservative than others.
sorry for off topic tangent but YES our Phoenix has descriptive audio/service for the blind on SAP
"the man walks up the stairs and switches off the lamp beside him" in a quiet man's voice. I'm not in a place right now to test it again I apologize, but I am almost certain it WAS one of the PBS stations (8.2?) but won't swear to it. Give SAP a try, you may find some of your stations offer the service for blind viewers.
off topic, but CC too have it's advantages: on that Progressive ad, with William Shatner and the blonde girl who speaks in Mandarin something regarding a monk- we get the translation! in the CC text it read: "translation from Mandarin: he said you still owed him five bucks" which I thought was awesome. Viewers not using the close captioning would never know what she said! I've read some funny text too, I was surprised at what some texters type for some of the "funny" sounds and curse words. Some typers are more conservative than others.
sorry for off topic tangent but YES our Phoenix has descriptive audio/service for the blind on SAP
WSRE Pensacola-Mobile has reading for the blind on the SAP. It's pretty much limited to some oldsters reading and describing the Pensacola newspaper.
WFSU carries their NPR FM on SAP. I bet they also do some reading for the blind, but I don't keep up with it.
Georgia Public TV used to (may still) carry GA Public Radio on SAP because they covered the whole state on FM but have no affiliate in the Atlanta DMA.
SAP is 99% unused down here in Dixie.
Do any stations actually use SAP to carry first run programming in Spanish? Isn't that why it was introduced in the 1990s to begin with? Do ABC NBC CBS Fox provide Spanish SAP for network programming in Texas and California?
I've wondered for awhile if someone could use SAP to feed a FM translator?
Does anyone remember the circa 1990 slang term "Sap Up!"? I can't forget that term because SAP is written on all TV remotes.
WFSU carries their NPR FM on SAP. I bet they also do some reading for the blind, but I don't keep up with it.
Georgia Public TV used to (may still) carry GA Public Radio on SAP because they covered the whole state on FM but have no affiliate in the Atlanta DMA.
SAP is 99% unused down here in Dixie.
Do any stations actually use SAP to carry first run programming in Spanish? Isn't that why it was introduced in the 1990s to begin with? Do ABC NBC CBS Fox provide Spanish SAP for network programming in Texas and California?
I've wondered for awhile if someone could use SAP to feed a FM translator?
Does anyone remember the circa 1990 slang term "Sap Up!"? I can't forget that term because SAP is written on all TV remotes.
As of last summer, stations airing programming from the "big four" networks (ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC) in the top 25 markets are required to have SAP channels and broadcast at least 50 hours of descriptive video services on them each quarter. Due to this new stipulation, the majority of primetime scripted programming on ABC, Fox, and NBC is now being audio described. CBS is still lagging a bit behind in providing audio described programming, with only a handful of scripted shows on the network providing the service at the present time. Wikipedia has a list here of which network series are audio described.
Now, outside of the top 25 markets, SAP services, as evidenced by this thread, can be very hit and miss on the "big four" networks. Starting in the middle of 2015, however, the requirement to offer DVS ramps up to the top 60 markets and will likely increase to include more markets in years after that.
PBS is not included in the requirement, but that's not much of a problem since PBS stations, especially those in the largest markets, have a long history of voluntarily providing SAP services such as DVS or an alternate program language, most often Spanish. Speaking of which, now that the major broadcast networks in the top 25 markets have SAP channels, there has been more use of them during sporting events to broadcast commentary in Spanish. News and talk shows are increasingly becoming the only network programming that universally does not make use of SAP services.
Now, outside of the top 25 markets, SAP services, as evidenced by this thread, can be very hit and miss on the "big four" networks. Starting in the middle of 2015, however, the requirement to offer DVS ramps up to the top 60 markets and will likely increase to include more markets in years after that.
PBS is not included in the requirement, but that's not much of a problem since PBS stations, especially those in the largest markets, have a long history of voluntarily providing SAP services such as DVS or an alternate program language, most often Spanish. Speaking of which, now that the major broadcast networks in the top 25 markets have SAP channels, there has been more use of them during sporting events to broadcast commentary in Spanish. News and talk shows are increasingly becoming the only network programming that universally does not make use of SAP services.
I've long wished that CBS and ESPN would carry the radio broadcast of college football games synced up with the TV broadcast on SAP. I don't have a clue how this could be done since each school has their own set of radio announcers.... Unless the new DTV setup would allow three audio feeds to go along with the single video feed.
I would really prefer to listen to the Alabama radio announcers call the game over the CBS announcers, but there's like a 15 second delay if you turn off the sound on the TV and try listening on the radio.
I understand that WWL-AM carries Saints and LSU Tigers games synced up with DirecTV's feed of the games. AFAIK WWL is the only radio station in the country that does (did?) this.
I would really prefer to listen to the Alabama radio announcers call the game over the CBS announcers, but there's like a 15 second delay if you turn off the sound on the TV and try listening on the radio.
I understand that WWL-AM carries Saints and LSU Tigers games synced up with DirecTV's feed of the games. AFAIK WWL is the only radio station in the country that does (did?) this.
KCTV (CBS) and KSHB (NBC) don't offer the network SAPs, they don't even have an SAP
In the Milwaukee market, both WDJT (CBS) and WITI (Fox) offer SAP, with the usual mix of Spanish football audio and DVS. Other hours just either duplicate the regular signal in stereo or transmit silence. WTMJ (NBC) and WISN (ABC) surprisingly don't, while even worse, WMVS-WMVT (PBS) also don't (I'm not deaf, but using the audio description makes it both easy to follow action and watch a show while focusing on another task). Since Milwaukee's market 33 though, they will have to be lit up by July (and talking to those engineering departments about when they'll get SAP is Sisyphean in itself).
Not surprisingly in Green Bay, which will be among the last, only WPNE (PBS) has SAP.
As for the question about syncing home team radio audio on SAP...it's all in the contracts, and because except in professional basketball (my opinion at least; only a few NBA announce teams in my life have been tolerable on the radio), everyone would rather listen to the home team call than the national call if given the choice, there is no way the network announcers with their salaries, or their unions, would ever allow it to happen. I do remember though that WWL Radio used their HD2 subchannel on their Kenner FM rebroadcast to air Saints and Tigers play-by-play synced up with WWL-TV (not co-owned with WWL Radio) or WVUE (the market's Fox station) a few years ago, so you had a satellite and a local OTA/cable sync between them. And locally I know when NBC has a Packers games, WTMJ Radio does their darndest to sync to the action on their sister TV station (Fox games aren't that bad, only a half-second off, easily remedied with a quick pause-unpause cycle on the DVR).
Also for some odd and bizarre reason to justify their existences, Spanish language coverage of Fox or ESPN sports broadcasts air solely on their Deportes channels, even though it takes just a switch to turn it on. However some were glad for this during the MLB playoffs this year, because Fox's SAP 'coverage' during baseball was just all natural sound without Tim and Joe's play-by-play (though the last couple games were just duplicated audio once everyone found out).
My other hope is that Hulu and the network .com sites eventually offer SAP audio for those who are shut out of it on their local stations.
Not surprisingly in Green Bay, which will be among the last, only WPNE (PBS) has SAP.
As for the question about syncing home team radio audio on SAP...it's all in the contracts, and because except in professional basketball (my opinion at least; only a few NBA announce teams in my life have been tolerable on the radio), everyone would rather listen to the home team call than the national call if given the choice, there is no way the network announcers with their salaries, or their unions, would ever allow it to happen. I do remember though that WWL Radio used their HD2 subchannel on their Kenner FM rebroadcast to air Saints and Tigers play-by-play synced up with WWL-TV (not co-owned with WWL Radio) or WVUE (the market's Fox station) a few years ago, so you had a satellite and a local OTA/cable sync between them. And locally I know when NBC has a Packers games, WTMJ Radio does their darndest to sync to the action on their sister TV station (Fox games aren't that bad, only a half-second off, easily remedied with a quick pause-unpause cycle on the DVR).
Also for some odd and bizarre reason to justify their existences, Spanish language coverage of Fox or ESPN sports broadcasts air solely on their Deportes channels, even though it takes just a switch to turn it on. However some were glad for this during the MLB playoffs this year, because Fox's SAP 'coverage' during baseball was just all natural sound without Tim and Joe's play-by-play (though the last couple games were just duplicated audio once everyone found out).
My other hope is that Hulu and the network .com sites eventually offer SAP audio for those who are shut out of it on their local stations.
So, DVS is closed captioning for the blind? Will the Playboy channel offer DVS?
For some reason this never posted Friday evening.
I am thrilled to see a discussion on SAPs, as I have
looked at them for `years. I think they were used
much more in the analog days.
Here in the LA area channels 2, 5, 9, 11 translate
local news in to Spanish. Our Network o&o's have
either Spanish or some DVS. When ABC is not offering,
KABC 7 has dead-air. Some times during Championchip
games Networks have the game in Spanish, but FOX
Saturday Baseball had raw crowd. Now its really a shaim
that PBS is not required to have DVS, as our
KOCE 50 has never had a SAP since they went digital.
They did offer a reading service years ago in analog.
Really a shaim as many of us who are blind could enjoy
DVS. KLCS our LA schools PBS has Spanish-and-DVS, but
their schedule is mostly children shows. 2 of the more
unusual things I have seen here, an LP actual on 46 but
brands as 26 has at least 13 multicast channels, many
have SAPs which run other Christian Radio channels.
For a time last week KRCA 62 had 4SAPs which you
could toggle through, all running co-owned FM's such as
KBUE. KCOP 13 has BounceTV but the SAP just seems to
duplicate. Back in the analog days KCBS 2 ran a
discribed version of the Rose Parade. At time our local
Baseball clubs have run Spanish Radio on SAP.
And yes, I certainly agree, in wishing our Spanish
stations would translate News in English. Both 52 and
54 just have blank SAPs.
I am thrilled to see a discussion on SAPs, as I have
looked at them for `years. I think they were used
much more in the analog days.
Here in the LA area channels 2, 5, 9, 11 translate
local news in to Spanish. Our Network o&o's have
either Spanish or some DVS. When ABC is not offering,
KABC 7 has dead-air. Some times during Championchip
games Networks have the game in Spanish, but FOX
Saturday Baseball had raw crowd. Now its really a shaim
that PBS is not required to have DVS, as our
KOCE 50 has never had a SAP since they went digital.
They did offer a reading service years ago in analog.
Really a shaim as many of us who are blind could enjoy
DVS. KLCS our LA schools PBS has Spanish-and-DVS, but
their schedule is mostly children shows. 2 of the more
unusual things I have seen here, an LP actual on 46 but
brands as 26 has at least 13 multicast channels, many
have SAPs which run other Christian Radio channels.
For a time last week KRCA 62 had 4SAPs which you
could toggle through, all running co-owned FM's such as
KBUE. KCOP 13 has BounceTV but the SAP just seems to
duplicate. Back in the analog days KCBS 2 ran a
discribed version of the Rose Parade. At time our local
Baseball clubs have run Spanish Radio on SAP.
And yes, I certainly agree, in wishing our Spanish
stations would translate News in English. Both 52 and
54 just have blank SAPs.
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