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iHeartMedia clusters that have zero local personalities

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old radio guys bitch about VT nut then complain about having to wortk holidays and having had to work 6 days a week and little time off.

It's all about "other people," not them. In other words, they want other people to work overnights and holidays, for minimum wage with no benefits. That was the deal before big companies came to radio. They also want "other people's money" to pay for it all, not theirs. So they want 24/7 staffing and they don't want to pay for it.

Oh and by the way, can you cut the spotload in half too? There is no reasonable solution to that.
 
It's all about "other people," not them. In other words, they want other people to work overnights and holidays, for minimum wage with no benefits. That was the deal before big companies came to radio. They also want "other people's money" to pay for it all, not theirs. So they want 24/7 staffing and they don't want to pay for it.
Or will they go out of their way to support advertisers on their local radio station? No way. Instead, they bitch about having those commercials.
Oh and by the way, can you cut the spotload in half too? There is no reasonable solution to that.
There you go, talking reasonably again.
 
There's a lot of mythology about ma & pa radio, including that it was how radio was done before 1996. I constantly read on these message boards that if iHeart was forced to divest all of its stations, they would "go back to small local owners," which is all fiction.

If people were to look at the list of stations that run your Local Radio Networks material, they'd find it was a lot of those single-station owner situations. Same with other 24/7 content companies.
Well, before 1996, my hometown market's FM stations were staffed with local talent in all dayparts. It was a top 50 market, but not top 25. Each FM station had a local MD. Stations sounded different when going from market to market. I was able to listen to stations in the nearby larger market, and those stations, each with their own MDs, sounded different from the ones in my home market.

Now, from market to market, the stations are owned by the same 3-4 huge corporations that are drowning in debt. The stations all sound the same, right down to the same extremely repetitive playlists. Some shifts, even in larger markets, are completely automated. And those shifts that are not are often staffed nationally. These jocks often discuss nothing compelling. On iHeart stations, they spent the last several months talking about the iHeart Music Festival nearly every break.

I know you, sir, disagree with me on all of this. But please allow me my opinion.
 
Well, before 1996, my hometown market's FM stations were staffed with local talent in all dayparts. It was a top 50 market, but not top 25. Each FM station had a local MD. Stations sounded different when going from market to market. I was able to listen to stations in the nearby larger market, and those stations, each with their own MDs, sounded different from the ones in my home market.
It's not consolidation and cost cutting that has changed this scenario. What changed is the national scope of the Internet and Sirius XM and even syndicated or networked morning shows. The same songs are hits in very similar scale everywhere.

In places like France, Italy, Spain, England, Chile and Colombia for example this has been the norm since music radio began being networked fifty to sixty years ago.
Now, from market to market, the stations are owned by the same 3-4 huge corporations that are drowning in debt. The stations all sound the same, right down to the same extremely repetitive playlists.
If everyone hears the same songs on streams all over the country, that will make playlists very similar in every market. The only differences will be due to ethnic influences, but that now tends to affect the format array, not the individual songs in each format.

And why does it make any difference whether the station in Peoria plays the same songs as the one in Terre Haute of Paducah or Quincy or Rockford? Statistically, "nobody" listens to out of town radio stations (except for a few who have moved and still want to hear the station from their old hometown).
Some shifts, even in larger markets, are completely automated.
Because today's under-50 listener does not really want "Teddy Turntable" yacking between songs.
And those shifts that are not are often staffed nationally.
As they are in nearly every other country in the world that has commercial radio.
These jocks often discuss nothing compelling. On iHeart stations, they spent the last several months talking about the iHeart Music Festival nearly every break.
That's their business. Makes sense to promote it.
I know you, sir, disagree with me on all of this. But please allow me my opinion.
Keep in mind that traditional ad media, including OTA TV, radio, newspapers, magazines and the like are billing less than half of what they billed 20 years ago. And listener likes and expectations have changed, too,
 
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Ask how many grocery stores have reduced checkout clerks. I was just in my local store, and I counted two.

I had service done on my car over the weekend. There were three lanes for service. Only one was staffed.

Shall I continue? How many banks still offer full teller services? Mine just closed their drive through.

This isn't strictly a radio problem. Yes, advertising is down, and its affected staffing. But radio isn't unique.
How is your bank open if there's no tellers or drive thru?
 
How about pay people livable wages instead of cutting costs? These CEOs can take a pay cut, they aren't hurting.
 
Well, before 1996, my hometown market's FM stations were staffed with local talent in all dayparts. It was a top 50 market, but not top 25. Each FM station had a local MD. Stations sounded different when going from market to market. I was able to listen to stations in the nearby larger market, and those stations, each with their own MDs, sounded different from the ones in my home market.
What value were all those local programmers bringing? I mean, did it matter if one country station skipped the fourth single off the Garth Brooks album at the time, and another country station 30 miles away played it? I'm not disputing the fact that it was that way.

Now, from market to market, the stations are owned by the same 3-4 huge corporations that are drowning in debt.
The only one of the "huge corporations" I'm aware of with a debt problem is Audacy.

How about pay people livable wages instead of cutting costs? These CEOs can take a pay cut, they aren't hurting.
A little math for you:
Bob Pittman, CEO of iHeartMedia made about $8.7 million last year. iHeartMedia has some 9200 employees. So if you pay Mr. Pittman nothing, that gives iHeart the ability to pay their employees about 40 cents more per hour. Whoopee.
 
What value were all those local programmers bringing? I mean, did it matter if one country station skipped the fourth single off the Garth Brooks album at the time, and another country station 30 miles away played it? I'm not disputing the fact that it was that way.


The only one of the "huge corporations" I'm aware of with a debt problem is Audacy.


A little math for you:
Bob Pittman, CEO of iHeartMedia made about $8.7 million last year. iHeartMedia has some 9200 employees. So if you pay Mr. Pittman nothing, that gives iHeart the ability to pay their employees about 40 cents more per hour. Whoopee.
I made a calculation like that for Wal-Mart. Divide the CEO's compensation by every emloyee around the world and everyone gets $9.00. Once.
 
How is your bank open if there's no tellers or drive thru?

my bank is 3000 miles away from me. there isnt a single bank in the town i live in for anyone, no matter what bank you do business with.

all of my jobs do direct deposit, and any checks i get i mobile deposit them via an app on my phone
 
my bank is 3000 miles away from me. there isnt a single bank in the town i live in for anyone, no matter what bank you do business with.

all of my jobs do direct deposit, and any checks i get i mobile deposit them via an app on my phone
This situation explains why financial transactions in the majority of Sub-Saharan African nations are done with a system that uses credits you carry on your cellular phone. You can pay a day laborer via a transfer on such a device, and the laborer can buy even from street vendors or traditional stores and services with those credits.

Since the funds are liquid, there are no minimum balances and there are very low fees. It's a little like PayPal, but can be used to buy movie tickets, a snack on the street, a refill on your propane tank or for fresh produce from market vendors.

People with larger amounts of money can get additional services such as advances and loans, and their history of transaction become their credit references. There is essentially no paperwork for most account holders and it works beautifully as it empowers lower income people.

I'm working on a hybrid of this kind of system in a developing nation in South America where the mobile device will also provide "radio" services where the advertising is related to goods and services that are provided by users of the financial service organization and the programming supports usage of the service while helping to avoid fraud and deception. The project has been delayed by the pandemic, and I don't know if it will work at all. But this is the sort of concept that takes what we know about radio and makes it part of a service that has multiple consumer benefits.
 
Because now I can use a mobile app on my phone to do banking. That includes taking a photo of a check to deposit.
No teller's or driving through involved.
We have not been into a bank in about five years or so. Like you, I can deposit by a digital image, and get cash in a drive through or at a device outside the gas station or supermarket... although I seldom need or use cash either.

Once a year, the advisers from my bank 2,000 miles away fly in and we conference for a day in the living room, they take us to dinner and go back home. Paperwork comes and goes by FedEx, and everything else is available online. During the pandemic, we did video conferences.

We were considering a move out of California. The bank did some paperwork online and I have financing for a house without going into a bank. Another example of why there is no need for going into a bank that I can imagine today.
 
Well, before 1996, my hometown market's FM stations were staffed with local talent in all dayparts.

Who owned those stations before 1996? Small local owners or groups? Before 1996, thousands of radio stations used satellite delivered formats from Satellite Music Networks (later ABC), Unistar, Jones, and others. Most owners didn't take advantage of ownership laws at all. Clear Channel didn't go on a buying spree until later, and it took many years for them to assess staffing situations

Now, from market to market, the stations are owned by the same 3-4 huge corporations that are drowning in debt.

If you add up all of the stations owned by those 3-4 companies, they comes to less than 2000. Out of a total of 16000 stations. That leaves a lot of stations to be owned by others. But the big companies tend to have the popular stations because they play what the majority of people want to hear.
 
How is your bank open if there's no tellers or drive thru?

The bank is open, but only one live teller. Banks have diversified their services beyond tellers, and they now do brokerage and other things. Lots of it can be done online. But the main way I utilize my bank is with ATMs. They put millions of people out of work.
 
It's not consolidation and cost cutting that has changed this scenario. What changed is the national scope of the Internet and Sirius XM and even syndicated or networked morning shows. The same songs are hits in very similar scale everywhere.
I respectfully disagree. Local stations are hardly competing with the Internet and Sirius XM, who do not subscribe to local books. Moreover, a good chunk of the homogeneity started before Sirius XM became popular.
In places like France, Italy, Spain, England, Chile and Colombia for example this has been the norm since music radio began being networked fifty to sixty years ago.

If everyone hears the same songs on streams all over the country, that will make playlists very similar in every market. The only differences will be due to ethnic influences, but that now tends to affect the format array, not the individual songs in each format.
If people are not exposed to different music and regional variation is not allowed, then playlists do not even have the opportunity to differ. Streams do not necessarily have to dictate local taste. There's no reason why an AC station in Jacksonville should have the same playlist as one in Des Moines.

And why does it make any difference whether the station in Peoria plays the same songs as the one in Terre Haute of Paducah or Quincy or Rockford? Statistically, "nobody" listens to out of town radio stations (except for a few who have moved and still want to hear the station from their old hometown).
It makes a difference because of local preferences. These stations could be doing better if they did a better job catering to their markets. But they no longer do.
Because today's under-50 listener does not really want "Teddy Turntable" yacking between songs.
Jocks also build station loyalty and talent also give people a compelling reason to tune in.

As they are in nearly every other country in the world that has commercial radio.

That's their business. Makes sense to promote it.
It's boring to hear about during every break. It's terrible radio.
Keep in mind that traditional ad media, including OTA TV, radio, newspapers, magazines and the like are billing less than half of what they billed 20 years ago. And listener likes and expectations have changed, too,
I am not arguing this.
 
Because now I can use a mobile app on my phone to do banking. That includes taking a photo of a check to deposit.
No teller's or driving through involved.
We have not been into a bank in about five years or so. Like you, I can deposit by a digital image, and get cash in a drive through or at a device outside the gas station or supermarket... although I seldom need or use cash either.

Once a year, the advisers from my bank 2,000 miles away fly in and we conference for a day in the living room, they take us to dinner and go back home. Paperwork comes and goes by FedEx, and everything else is available online. During the pandemic, we did video conferences.

We were considering a move out of California. The bank did some paperwork online and I have financing for a house without going into a bank. Another example of why there is no need for going into a bank that I can imagine today.
 
I respectfully disagree. Local stations are hardly competing with the Internet and Sirius XM, who do not subscribe to local books. Moreover, a good chunk of the homogeneity started before Sirius XM became popular.
My point was that there was a trend towards unified national music lists in each genre that goes back to the 50's with Your Hit Parade on TV. Soon we had American Bandstand and pop music entering shows like Ed Sullivan and Johnny Carson. By the time we got to the 70's, radio stations all used airplay lists in publications like Hamilton, Gaving, FMQB and Radio & Records.

By the later 70's we had thousands of stations doing taped formats, ranging from Beautiful Music to Top 40 and Country all using the same playlists done by just a few syndicators. The 90's brought satellite versions of taped formats, and then we got Internet streams and satellite radio.

None of that had to do with consolidation... it had to do with the fact that distribution methods improved, making it possible to form de facto networks of stations in each format with identical playlists.
If people are not exposed to different music and regional variation is not allowed, then playlists do not even have the opportunity to differ. Streams do not necessarily have to dictate local taste. There's no reason why an AC station in Jacksonville should have the same playlist as one in Des Moines.
There is no reason why it should be different, either. It's the same country, the same format, the same culture. This is no different than when Gunsmoke got 30 ratings in every market, from Miami to Medford.
It makes a difference because of local preferences. These stations could be doing better if they did a better job catering to their markets. But they no longer do.
If you do music research in different markets for the same format, you will find that "good" is the same thing, market after market. With very rare and very moderate exceptions, in research the same songs score the same way "everywhere" among partisans of a particular format.
Jocks also build station loyalty and talent also give people a compelling reason to tune in.
In most cases today, listener after listener will tell you that, outside of mornings, they want us to "shut up and play the music". Morning shows are a bit different, as the best use music as fill between bits... and people seem to overwhelmingly like that at the start of their day. But, just as they like personality in the AM, by afternoons they don't want interruptions after a long day.
 
We have not been into a bank in about five years or so. Like you, I can deposit by a digital image, and get cash in a drive through or at a device outside the gas station or supermarket... although I seldom need or use cash either.
I'll usually carry around $100 cash just in case. To be fair, I've had the same bills in my wallet for probably six months though. I get that cash via a drive through machine. No tellers or banker's hours required.
We were considering a move out of California. The bank did some paperwork online and I have financing for a house without going into a bank. Another example of why there is no need for going into a bank that I can imagine today.
Last new home I purchased, the only in-person was signing paperwork at a title company. When I sold one of my homes in the Northwest recently, there were only e-signatures required.
 
Well, before 1996, my hometown market's FM stations were staffed with local talent in all dayparts. It was a top 50 market, but not top 25. Each FM station had a local MD. Stations sounded different when going from market to market. I was able to listen to stations in the nearby larger market, and those stations, each with their own MDs, sounded different from the ones in my home market.

Not that you might not have had a slightly different experience, but, at least musically, I don’t remember stations sounding different from market-to-market before 1996. Some smaller markets were slower to add new music, but, as a general rule, whether I was in Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Memphis, Chicago, or somewhere in-between, the stations had similar playlists. If I heard a breaking song in Chicago or Dallas, it would be in Tulsa and Little Rock in two or three weeks. In terms of personalities, they might've been different, but they generally covered the same topics. Most of the topics they touched on 25-30 years ago were no more memorable than what I hear today.

Some shifts, even in larger markets, are completely automated. And those shifts that are not are often staffed nationally.

I do agree with you here. I don’t necessarily blame consolidation for it, though. After Cumulus bought a locally owned cluster where I was working, the local airstaff headcount actually went up. We did live radio on all of our stations from 6 AM - 6 PM, and two were even live until midnight. We weren’t doing that when locally owned. What changed that was the Great Recession. That was when the syndicated morning shows were brought in, the night and midday hosts were sacked, and the part-time staff was cut by about 2/3. As I've mentioned previously, despite Cumulus returning stations to local control after Mary Berner took over, the number of live and local full-time shifts added to the entire cluster since has been exactly zero.
 
I respectfully disagree. Local stations are hardly competing with the Internet and Sirius XM, who do not subscribe to local books.
"Local books" aren't the concern of competition, but advertiser's are. Just like forms of listening, the whole landscape of media advertising has changed, where the fundamentals of how radio works, hasn't. Digital advertising is now the darling. You don't need ratings in the streaming or digital environment, because there is naturally granular results down to the person, available to advertisers on an hour-by-hour basis.
Moreover, a good chunk of the homogeneity started before Sirius XM became popular.
Last reports had SXM at less than 2% of the 'radio' listening audience. In reality, it isn't that popular, just an additional form of competition to traditional radio.
If people are not exposed to different music and regional variation is not allowed, then playlists do not even have the opportunity to differ. Streams do not necessarily have to dictate local taste. There's no reason why an AC station in Jacksonville should have the same playlist as one in Des Moines.
Because hits are hits and popular is popular. Doesn't matter what state or country. In a; streaming plus Tik-Tok-breaking-music-to-youth-world, there is tons more exposure than what just radio can offer. Radio broadcasts to the public who tunes in. The expectation is consistency, not experimentation.
It makes a difference because of local preferences. These stations could be doing better if they did a better job catering to their markets. But they no longer do.
I disagree. You won't find a pop station in the Napa region sounding like Compton.
Jocks also build station loyalty and talent also give people a compelling reason to tune in.
Maybe back in the 60-80's, but those days are long gone. As David said; youth today don't want to listen to yakking jocks talking up vocals or giving time checks. It's repulsive to them, not endearing at all.
 
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