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I'll Meet You Halfway...re scarily long "RR Topic" string

Ok, I've read through the R&R Summit/Topic posts as far as my screen will allow...let me summarize with a horrible pun: It's not so black or white. One side seems to think there is a vast conspiracy keeping "black" and "white" artists from desegregating in Christian AC. The other side thinks all things are fair, colorblind, and fluffy kittens and since no concrete examples have been given the black/white separation doesn't exist at all. May I suggest a third option: humans are flawed and we don't always use the best judgment?

The black/white barrier may not be a vast, pervasive conspiracy but it does exist perhaps even subconsciously in individual programmers. Here is a concrete example and no, I will not call out the individuals or station(s) involved. Music testing for a cluster of stations was done. Shackles by Mary Mary tested very well. Certain programmers pulled the song out of rotation even though it tested well because it "sounded too urban." Their target audience - females 25 to 54...WHITE females 25 to 54. Targets are broken down by race even on Arbitron - just fact. The thinking behind this move...white women don't want hear songs that sound too black. ERROR...ERROR Will Robinson. Research confirmed white women did want to hear that particular song and it was added back into rotation, eventually. Chalk one up for research on that case. My concern is what would have happened if white women had never heard the song in the first place? If it hadn't gotten played at all on the assumption "it was too black/urban/rhythmic for the audience." If it was cold tested to a group that had never heard it the unfamiliarity score would have been high. That is the reality we are dealing with. That is a specific example. I'm sure it wasn't racially motivated on a conscious level with an intent to hurt. But do you see where the lines blur subconsciously? That is what I think radiofan and whatzthat have issue with. I think we need to realize this and not be blind to My station does reseach; therefore, I am giving my audience what it wants. Many subconscious decisions can skew that research so are you sure you are giving the audience what it wants? Just questions to always consider.
 
"The black/white barrier may not be a vast, pervasive
> conspiracy but it does exist perhaps even subconsciously in
> individual programmers."
"I'm sure it wasn't racially motivated on a conscious level with an intent to hurt. But do you see where the lines blur subconsciously?"

You get it! I think we can do better if we all recognize the problem. I never said though it was a vast conspiracy, I always said that I didn't think it was a deliberate action, subconscious is in a few of my posts. I think you hit the nail on the head with the bluntness of your post and your expression "too black", whoaa I would have been creamed even more for using that term. I also used the example of the Crystal Lewis/Kirk Franklin song "Lean On Me". I had those in the industry tell me that the Crystal Lewis remix would insure airplay. I'm not going to name names either, but it worked. I didn't see the original show up on playlists on most CCM stations-I thought that one was a more powerful version then the remix.
I was told years ago if we don't address a problem, then we can't fix it. Hopefully we can do that because a lot of great music is (has) missed airplay. Waiting for the shoe to drop or the scurrying from the "fluffy" keyboard.
 
whatzthat wrote:
"Waiting for the shoe to drop or the scurrying from the "fluffy" keyboard."

again whatzthat: whatever.
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I can mention Mary Mary also showed up as a "polarizing" song. Much like others that polarize, some LOVE it, some HATE it. (songs that would be given that description also include songs of all formats, styles, and such). It does very well...then not so well...depending on a variety of factors...but I disagree "color" is the one that kept it off or put it back on the air. The listener in a test is not given that as a criteria in ranking.

And anyone who knows me, knows I'm not a fluffy kitten pretending everything is fine and fair and dandy. (as I'm sure can be gathered from my threads)

But I do disagree about the "color code" and the presumed unintential, or deliberate bias and bigotry that was blanketed over the Christian music industry.

Your post could cover a variety of formats, not just religious.

I think that is worth pointing out.

So thanks for taking the time. :)


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> whatzthat wrote:
> "Waiting for the shoe to drop or the scurrying from the
> "fluffy" keyboard."
>
> again whatzthat: whatever.

Well, that didn't take long.
>
 
> I can mention Mary Mary also showed up as a "polarizing"
> song. Much like others that polarize, some LOVE it, some
> HATE it. (songs that would be given that description also
> include songs of all formats, styles, and such). It does
> very well...then not so well...depending on a variety of
> factors...but I disagree "color" is the one that kept it off
> or put it back on the air. The listener in a test is not
> given that as a criteria in ranking.
>
> And anyone who knows me, knows I'm not a fluffy kitten
> pretending everything is fine and fair and dandy. (as I'm
> sure can be gathered from my threads)
>
> But I do disagree about the "color code" and the presumed
> unintential, or deliberate bias and bigotry that was
> blanketed over the Christian music industry.
>
> Your post could cover a variety of formats, not just
> religious.
>
> I think that is worth pointing out.
>
> So thanks for taking the time. :)
>
>
> Elizabeth
>
i know no one really listens to me since i aint in radio anymore.but when i was i was an assistant md..believe it or not :)..we NEVER even considered if a song was a black or white song..EVER! the only stuff we wouldnt play was what we thought wouldnt fit the format..like a gospel choir for instance..we played out of eden, kirk franklin and even the cmc's..(rap group)..even klove plays mary mary..so again i will say. race has nothing to do with programming..it didnt here anyway. nor anywhere else i have ever been. when i was in country we played charlie pride..and that was in mississippi :)<P ID="signature">______________
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There is a huge divide and it does come down to "black" and "white" almost every time. It's darn near impossible to get people (programmers included) to stop using the terms "black music" and "white music" and it's like nails on a chalkboard for me. Not only does it relegate the listener, it excludes the other 70% (Yes, I'm guessing) of the world's genera of music from even being considered.

In no way will I ever believe this pleases the heart of God. Look up topics of reconciliation in Scripture and see how it's at the heart of everything. So many believe that you can't do things God's way and still make money, but how can that be true? Why would God say "Great! They're doing it exactly as I wanted! Now I'll show them what a mistake that was!"

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You're forgetting that the audience is made up of imperfect people..and you simply won't force any programming on them that they do not want. Same for folks on other boards who insist that public service requirements come back, that the CHR station stop its format and acarry the city council meeting because the "public needs it". Maybe God does want all music to be programmed simultaneously..or Sunday morning at 10 not to be the most segregated hour in AMerica. radio, however, can only follow, not lead because there's that little button that says "off" or the other buttons that change the radio to other stations..and the listener is completely in charge of when to use them.<P ID="signature">______________
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MarkLaRoi wrote:
"It's darn near impossible to get people to stop using the terms "black music" and "white music" and it's like nails on a chalkboard for me."

ditto. it has no place.

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> You're forgetting that the audience is made up of imperfect
> people..and you simply won't force any programming on them
> that they do not want. Same for folks on other boards who
> insist that public service requirements come back, that the
> CHR station stop its format and acarry the city council
> meeting because the "public needs it". Maybe God does want
> all music to be programmed simultaneously..or Sunday morning
> at 10 not to be the most segregated hour in AMerica. radio,
> however, can only follow, not lead because there's that
> little button that says "off" or the other buttons that
> change the radio to other stations..and the listener is
> completely in charge of when to use them.
>


I'm not talking about giving them what they don't want. I'm talking about giving them what they would already enjoy.

Radio or not, I'm not following anybody. Bill Gaither didn't follow anybody, Stern didn't follow anybody, and neither did most people who actually changed things.

I know they have an off button, but my job and responsibility is to keep them from wanting to use it. <P ID="signature">______________
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>" There is a huge divide and it does come down to "black" and
> "white" almost every time. It's darn near impossible to get
> people (programmers included) to stop using the terms "black
> music" and "white music" and it's like nails on a chalkboard
> for me. Not only does it relegate the listener, it excludes
> the other 70% (Yes, I'm guessing) of the world's genera of
> music from even being considered."
>
It grates like a chalkboard for me too. I see music as music but unfortunately on a discussion board like this, there is no other way to describe it. Just like Michael W. Smith's new movie, the preview says he goes down to a black church and befriends a black pastor...whaddya gonna do?
It grieves me to see music that is just put aside but again, I really don't think it is deliberate, I think it goes way back, learned behavior(subconscious).
There is hope though because each generation is getting less concerned about color so change will eventually happen until then a lot of great music is being missed and that is sad for the listener and the talented artists.
 
> MarkLaRoi wrote:
> "It's darn near impossible to get people to stop using the
> terms "black music" and "white music" and it's like nails on
> a chalkboard for me."
>
> ditto. it has no place.

I really think Mark's comment goes deeper than how you are interpreting it.
>
 
whatever

seriously,

i thought you were leaving?

You say you agree about nails on chalkboard, yet thread after thread YOU have used the terms! You even went as far as to say "black people like black music" or something to that effect.

When you attempt to convict others for something you feel no shame in, you lose your credibility completely.

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> I'm not talking about giving them what they don't want. I'm
> talking about giving them what they would already enjoy.
>
Very wise! Thank you for common sense and a desire to do excellence!
 
Re: whatever

>
> "When you attempt to convict others for something you feel no
> shame in, you lose your credibility completely."

I am just getting the picture. You must be seriously convicted. Wow! That wasn't my intention to convict anyone, but I guess you have some things to deal with.
>
 
Re: whatever

Are you somehow under the impression that your opinion of me matters?

Your thread topic was flawed. It was shown as such. Your posts continue to draw out the error in your logic on this issue...

and continue to reveal your character.
 
Then you do your research and ask your listeners whether or not they enjoy it, rather thabn assume that you know better and say "I
'll play it anyiway and they WILL enjoy it". No difference between that and oldies fans insisting that if only the oldies station played their favorite B side, the listeners wouold love it. That's why every hobby-oriented Part 15, LPFM or internet stream insists ofn playing everything that was round and didn't have pepperoni..an assumption that "we know better".<P ID="signature">______________
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> Then you do your research and ask your listeners whether or
> not they enjoy it, rather thabn assume that you know better
> and say "I
> 'll play it anyiway and they WILL enjoy it". No difference
> between that and oldies fans insisting that if only the
> oldies station played their favorite B side, the listeners
> wouold love it. That's why every hobby-oriented Part 15,
> LPFM or internet stream insists ofn playing everything that
> was round and didn't have pepperoni..an assumption that "we
> know better".
>

Let me do this with numbered sentences to avoid getting lost in a too long response.

1. Limited research and an over-reliance upon that limited data is what's gotten radio to where it is today.

2. The research setting, like any polling environment, can be shaped to give whatever answer the pollster wants to hear.

3. I never said at anypoint that every person will enjoy every song. In fact, on my websites I go to great lengths to prevent this misunderstanding. Nobody likes every song even on their favorite radio station. The game is playing enough that they do like so they'll wait through one they don't like as much or is unfamiliar to them.

4. Several B side songs became monster hits because someone dared to play them.

5. I don't know "better" than the listener, I just know the truth about the listener. The fact that they want more. My radio mentor, a pastor with a tremendous record of ratings success in the PD and MD position at a number of stations, and as a DJ at others, told me something that took a while to set in. He told me that anybody who would be a success in radio has a degree of ego. Humility is admitting the truth. I know that I don't have the hands-on experience of a lot of people in radio. I also know that in my very first job in the business God put me with men who had a combined 110 years of radio experience who were willing to share with me everything they knew.

After 1 year I found myself possessing knowledge that took most people 5, 10 years to learn on their own. That didn't mean I had some special skill, it means I was blessed with men willing to teach me from their vast experience. They did the work, I got to benefit. Frankly, I couldn't hold their pop guards when it comes to running things.

One thing they taught me was to recognize my ability and never to be ashamed of it because it's God's gift to me. I dare to say I know good music. I can choose songs that I don't even like which I know will be hits. Am I right each and every time? No, I'm not. Do I have a winning percentage? Yes, I do.

I don't know better than the listener. I just know that the listener wants more and I have an idea of what it is they want and how to give it to them. They want more than what "research" leads us to believe. Broadcasting went a long way. Then it became narrowcasting in an effort to specialize and command a piece of the pie.

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