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I'm Paul Harvey....goodbye Columbus
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talkers said:Looks like WTVN dropped Paul Harvey this morning. I didn't hear it at 8:30 this morning.
Well, that's ten minutes more of LOCAL TALK with the Morning Monarch of Columbus radio. That no big surprise because WTVN dumped three hours of local talk when Glenn Beck was replaced by Joel Riley. At least we are
now getting ten minutes of local talk radio back on WTVN radio. Why didn't they do this a few weeks ago?
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C414B
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talkers said:Looks like WTVN dropped Paul Harvey this morning. I didn't hear it at 8:30 this morning.
I wish I could say I'm surprised. It's become painful to listen to anyone else trying to be Paul.
I just hope Paul himself will have the chance to have one last hurrah on both the 5- and 15-minute newscasts.
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chip4
Guest
WLW dumped Paul over a year ago. They were one of the first big sticks in the country to do so.
My guess is it won't make a big difference.
My guess is it won't make a big difference.
Gil Gross is a pretty good fill-in, I don't know why they don't stick with him. The rest are just plain awful.
hdtvnewbie said:Gil Gross is a pretty good fill-in, I don't know why they don't stick with him. The rest are just plain awful.
Gil's very good, and a terrific newscaster when he was with the network but he can't take over for Paul Harvey. He now does a daily local talk show on KGO in San Francisco, a station that is local 95 percent of the time and has great ratings to show for it.
Paul W. Smith is good too from WJR in Detroit as a fill-in for Harvey. I even thought Mike Huckabee was good too. Maybe thats why he got the Fox gig.kinetic said:hdtvnewbie said:Gil Gross is a pretty good fill-in, I don't know why they don't stick with him. The rest are just plain awful.
Gil's very good, and a terrific newscaster when he was with the network but he can't take over for Paul Harvey. He now does a daily local talk show on KGO in San Francisco, a station that is local 95 percent of the time and has great ratings to show for it.
I thought most of the Paul Harvey commentaries were actually Paul Harvey Jr. The younger does a fair imitation but he doesn't have the shakiness in his voice like the elder. In any event KABC here in Los Angeles replaced him as soon as Huckabee started.
talkers said:Looks like WTVN dropped Paul Harvey this morning. I didn't hear it at 8:30 this morning.
Someone called into BC's "Open Line" show last Saturday and asked BC why WTVN dropped Paul Harvey from the schedule. This person noted he was a fan of Paul Harvey. BC said that it's against company policy to discuss personal changes at the station and he follows that policy and would not discuss this matter.
He then directed the listener to the WTVN website and said the official explanation is there. It's wasn't posted there when I checked.
Dose any one reading this know the official explanation why WTVN was dropped Paul Harvey the schedule?
Speaking of following company policy, BC seems to follow that policy to the letter. People still bring up Glenn Beck on "Open Lines" and BC has no comment on why Beck was brought back to the station or why Joel Riley
was dropped in favor in Glenn Beck. BC has been with WTVN for about forty years now so he must be doing
a lot right!
The Columbus Dispatch published this small piece about Paul Harvey being terminated by WTVN:
http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...2-24-09_D5_KPD0TB7.html?type=rss&cat=&sid=101
Is this really the reason why WTVN canceled him?
http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...2-24-09_D5_KPD0TB7.html?type=rss&cat=&sid=101
Is this really the reason why WTVN canceled him?
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del_griffith
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There was a reason given that revolved on the substitutes not being up to what listeners wanted to hear. Corporate memo to listeners.
Honestly, Harvey and his subs (some sucked, others didn't) was one of the few reason I even dialed in WTVN in the past few years. I was never a fan of the Rest of the Story, but did enjoy especially the expanded mid day report.
Note at one time, I was a 24/7 TVN listener. The political talk just no longer floats my boat.
Honestly, Harvey and his subs (some sucked, others didn't) was one of the few reason I even dialed in WTVN in the past few years. I was never a fan of the Rest of the Story, but did enjoy especially the expanded mid day report.
Note at one time, I was a 24/7 TVN listener. The political talk just no longer floats my boat.
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Chuck Douglas
Guest
Del,
Your post indicates you consider the station to be "political" talk and that seems to me to be a narrow definition of WTVN. I don't want to seem argumentative but I would like to itemize things a bit.
Granted: Rush, Sean, Lenvin and Billy C. are politicos...
Monday thru Friday BC is the standard berarer news and info guy and Corby is lifestyles/water cooler type stuff in a way that only he can do it.
Overnight is....well, it's unique talk.
Weekends offer 4 hours of open airwaves to the public, financial talk, gardening talk, farm bureau talk, sports talk, Costas, Dirk and myself.
All in all, it seems pretty diverse to me.
Your post indicates you consider the station to be "political" talk and that seems to me to be a narrow definition of WTVN. I don't want to seem argumentative but I would like to itemize things a bit.
Granted: Rush, Sean, Lenvin and Billy C. are politicos...
Monday thru Friday BC is the standard berarer news and info guy and Corby is lifestyles/water cooler type stuff in a way that only he can do it.
Overnight is....well, it's unique talk.
Weekends offer 4 hours of open airwaves to the public, financial talk, gardening talk, farm bureau talk, sports talk, Costas, Dirk and myself.
All in all, it seems pretty diverse to me.
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Chuck Douglas
Guest
inradio said:Chuck,
Eleven hours(Beck, Rush, Sean, and Levin) of programming Monday-Friday is dedicated to political(leaning one way 90-percent of the time)talk. I wouldn't consider that diverse.
And the other 13 hours in the day are not political talk. That's my point.
There is obviously no way to please every person. If something changes there will be complaints. If nothing changes then the station is stagnant. If you run a syndicated show you are killing live radio. If you hire a local host they are never as good as someone else that you should have hired. The only thing any station can do is generate ratings, fill stopsets, create results for advertisers and provide a product that draws and holds an audience. It seems the constant and long term success of WTVN is an indicator of the station's ability to do those things well.
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del_griffith
Guest
Chuck Douglas said:Del,
Your post indicates you consider the station to be "political" talk and that seems to me to be a narrow definition of WTVN. I don't want to seem argumentative but I would like to itemize things a bit.
Granted: Rush, Sean, Lenvin and Billy C. are politicos...
Monday thru Friday BC is the standard berarer news and info guy and Corby is lifestyles/water cooler type stuff in a way that only he can do it.
Overnight is....well, it's unique talk.
Weekends offer 4 hours of open airwaves to the public, financial talk, gardening talk, farm bureau talk, sports talk, Costas, Dirk and myself.
All in all, it seems pretty diverse to me.
chuck: I think it's perception. And maybe WTVN has lost the perception battle with me.
I think Beck went over the top a few years back. I at one time was a huge Rush fan. I used to listen to WHIO and WKRC before he was cleared in Columbus so I could hear his show. It got old. Corby used to be more political than he is now, so I'll give you that one. Sometimes he's a hoot, but when he misses, he misses.
But then you start back up again with Sean and Levin. Why turn on the radio for Noory when I've turned it off at Hannity and Levin?
I would tend to disagree with BC a bit as many of his guests are political in nature and his Sat show, while wildly successful, is 4 hours of the most bizarre people in central ohio and 80% are rooted in politics. A person can only take so much of the come back coach, the dude from Utica, Dave from Powell, southside Michael to name a few. The same "boys and girls" antics week after week just got old.
As for weekends, I haven't listened since you replace Ben who did a lot of politics along with the everyday stuff. Dirk is primarily politics too.
I do catch Adam Bold even though he's an infomercial once and a while. I don't bother with the rest of the weekend.
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HappyPappy
Guest
Here's my two cents...
Many of the folks here only bash TVN because it's fun. Of course everyone likes to badmouth the big guy who's always on top. Right? It's human nature. WTVN is a great station with a great signal and great programming. If any of the above were not true, it wouldn't consistently be sitting on (or near) the top when ratings come out. I'm confident that you'll all find that point hard, if not impossible to argue with. If you want to talk about stations that could be doing things MUCH better, I could think of better places to start than with WTVN.
Now back to the topic. Dropping Paul Harvey was the single best thing the station has done in years! Countless times I've spoken with people just like me who would turn the station the instant he (or a replacement) would come on. Although Paul Harvey is a legend, his programs were no longer relevant or interesting...nor did they fit with the format of the station. I couldn't be happier to know he's no longer on.
With that said...I'm on the younger end of the TVN demo. I have a feeling many of my peers feel just like I do. His interruptions into the normal TVN schedule were irrelevant, were not compelling in any way and simply made me think I had just stepped back into 1950 when I heard them. If talk radio is to survive as we know it, the focus will need to begin shifting to a younger demo and running Harvey completely prevents that.
Just my thoughts.
Many of the folks here only bash TVN because it's fun. Of course everyone likes to badmouth the big guy who's always on top. Right? It's human nature. WTVN is a great station with a great signal and great programming. If any of the above were not true, it wouldn't consistently be sitting on (or near) the top when ratings come out. I'm confident that you'll all find that point hard, if not impossible to argue with. If you want to talk about stations that could be doing things MUCH better, I could think of better places to start than with WTVN.
Now back to the topic. Dropping Paul Harvey was the single best thing the station has done in years! Countless times I've spoken with people just like me who would turn the station the instant he (or a replacement) would come on. Although Paul Harvey is a legend, his programs were no longer relevant or interesting...nor did they fit with the format of the station. I couldn't be happier to know he's no longer on.
With that said...I'm on the younger end of the TVN demo. I have a feeling many of my peers feel just like I do. His interruptions into the normal TVN schedule were irrelevant, were not compelling in any way and simply made me think I had just stepped back into 1950 when I heard them. If talk radio is to survive as we know it, the focus will need to begin shifting to a younger demo and running Harvey completely prevents that.
Just my thoughts.
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del_griffith
Guest
Happy Pappy: I'm probably at the upper end of their desire demo and probably toward the lower middle end of their actual demo.
Your reply may not be inclusive to be directed at me, but my point may be relevant. I'm not a basher of WTVN. Until probably the early mid 2000's I was a constant listener of WTVN. And it began back in the late 60's when the daily line up was Fraim, Logan, Conners, Parr, Lucas and Stewart. I was with them when Dale Ulmer was the first daily talker on the station, later to be replaced by Paul Davidson when Ulmer went back to Minnesota I believe and then Steve Cannon was brought in (which was their first serious attempt at talk).
I was with them when Rush was the first long form talker in syndication added to schedule. As I mentioned before, I'm not anti conservative talk. When one goes to great lengths to hear Rush from distant signals by driving around at lunch to find an interference free spot to listen during lunch hour prior to his clearance in Columbus, clearly I liked the show.
I was with them daily when Dr. Laura was added and Art Bell and when Dr. Laura was replaced with Glenn Beck. But about 2004/2005 the burn out factor came in. Not complete turn off, but fewer hours of daily listening. And over time, I dialed in less and less. When Sean and Levin was added to evenings and Joel moved to mid mornings, I basically by that time all but quit listening on a regular daily basis.
Let me also say I sampled liberal talk Air America and the other sources both when it was on 1230 and 1580 and the hosts there quickly burned me out too. So it's not a matter of ideology. Could it be because the programming appeals to our most base of instincts and maybe my listening habits matured beyond that?
But remember, my top of mind response is WTVN is ALL conservative talk, yet Chuck shows it isn't. They have other elements.
I do have a radio in my office and it was turned on mostly to hear Paul Harvey, depending on when he was cleared on 610, most recently at 11:45. At one time, it was on when arrived and remained on until I left. Today, it's mostly silent.
Now I will say that part of the change in my listening habits was due to my wife. But only in car. Since I work downtown and choose to save money in parking fees, she drops me off and she controls the car radio. She primarily bounces back and forth between Sunny, 93.3 and WCOL FM. She doesn't care for talk radio, even though she's socially conservative. But when she did listen to talk radio, it was Dave Ramsey when he was on 1230 in the late afternoon. She enjoyed and got inspiration when the people were calling in and screaming they were debt free on Fridays. But I found I liked that inspiration too. But we both hate it when Ramsey goes on his economy tirades.
Now I will be the first to admit Harvey has been going downhill. And part of my loyalty is the fact that he's been a part of my day for many years.
Your reply may not be inclusive to be directed at me, but my point may be relevant. I'm not a basher of WTVN. Until probably the early mid 2000's I was a constant listener of WTVN. And it began back in the late 60's when the daily line up was Fraim, Logan, Conners, Parr, Lucas and Stewart. I was with them when Dale Ulmer was the first daily talker on the station, later to be replaced by Paul Davidson when Ulmer went back to Minnesota I believe and then Steve Cannon was brought in (which was their first serious attempt at talk).
I was with them when Rush was the first long form talker in syndication added to schedule. As I mentioned before, I'm not anti conservative talk. When one goes to great lengths to hear Rush from distant signals by driving around at lunch to find an interference free spot to listen during lunch hour prior to his clearance in Columbus, clearly I liked the show.
I was with them daily when Dr. Laura was added and Art Bell and when Dr. Laura was replaced with Glenn Beck. But about 2004/2005 the burn out factor came in. Not complete turn off, but fewer hours of daily listening. And over time, I dialed in less and less. When Sean and Levin was added to evenings and Joel moved to mid mornings, I basically by that time all but quit listening on a regular daily basis.
Let me also say I sampled liberal talk Air America and the other sources both when it was on 1230 and 1580 and the hosts there quickly burned me out too. So it's not a matter of ideology. Could it be because the programming appeals to our most base of instincts and maybe my listening habits matured beyond that?
But remember, my top of mind response is WTVN is ALL conservative talk, yet Chuck shows it isn't. They have other elements.
I do have a radio in my office and it was turned on mostly to hear Paul Harvey, depending on when he was cleared on 610, most recently at 11:45. At one time, it was on when arrived and remained on until I left. Today, it's mostly silent.
Now I will say that part of the change in my listening habits was due to my wife. But only in car. Since I work downtown and choose to save money in parking fees, she drops me off and she controls the car radio. She primarily bounces back and forth between Sunny, 93.3 and WCOL FM. She doesn't care for talk radio, even though she's socially conservative. But when she did listen to talk radio, it was Dave Ramsey when he was on 1230 in the late afternoon. She enjoyed and got inspiration when the people were calling in and screaming they were debt free on Fridays. But I found I liked that inspiration too. But we both hate it when Ramsey goes on his economy tirades.
Now I will be the first to admit Harvey has been going downhill. And part of my loyalty is the fact that he's been a part of my day for many years.
I never argued about the success(ratings and $$$) of TVN or even bashed it. I just do not think the station is diverse. In the eighteen hours of prime programming(6a-12a), there is about eleven hours of one-sided talk. If that's the winning formula, then great. Just don't go out on a limb and say the station is diverse in its programming.
I have not seen a ratings book in a very long time(Su2005) and would be interested to see the 7p-12a numbers from when Joel and Cannon were on the air compared to Hannity and Levin. I do know that Steve's ratings were very high and were consistently that way till his demise.
I have not seen a ratings book in a very long time(Su2005) and would be interested to see the 7p-12a numbers from when Joel and Cannon were on the air compared to Hannity and Levin. I do know that Steve's ratings were very high and were consistently that way till his demise.
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chip4
Guest
If we're talking about TVN let's talk about the station as a whole, not just "prime hours" or 6a-7p, or whatever. I mean, I can make the statement that between the hours of 9A-3P WTVN is 100% conservative talk. Duh!
You've got general "news magaizine" style in Conners, he talks politics, sure but that is what many people are talking about right now! It's Bob's job to be relevant and on topic. If he's not talking politics at some point, he's off topic. Pick up the paper, flip on a news channel, go to a news website...politics has become entertainment. He also covers local issues, entertainment, sports, personal finance etc.
Corby is very little politics and pure lifestyle/general interest. I listen to Ron Wilson on Saturday - that is a gardening show. They have a law show on Sat night, a couple of financial shows, and Bob Costas. All non-political shows. Heck, Coast is on for 6 hours and it's nothing but conspiracy theories and wack jobs!
I am listening to Beck as I type, and he's talking economy and personal finance. No agenda just info.
Sure TVN leans right, and spends a goodly portion of the broadcast day playing to that fact, but there is plenty of other material there that is decidedly non-poly talk.
Look, McDonalds makes burgers, they do it well, that's why you go there. But you can also get a salad, chicken, or ice cream should you wish.
You've got general "news magaizine" style in Conners, he talks politics, sure but that is what many people are talking about right now! It's Bob's job to be relevant and on topic. If he's not talking politics at some point, he's off topic. Pick up the paper, flip on a news channel, go to a news website...politics has become entertainment. He also covers local issues, entertainment, sports, personal finance etc.
Corby is very little politics and pure lifestyle/general interest. I listen to Ron Wilson on Saturday - that is a gardening show. They have a law show on Sat night, a couple of financial shows, and Bob Costas. All non-political shows. Heck, Coast is on for 6 hours and it's nothing but conspiracy theories and wack jobs!
I am listening to Beck as I type, and he's talking economy and personal finance. No agenda just info.
Sure TVN leans right, and spends a goodly portion of the broadcast day playing to that fact, but there is plenty of other material there that is decidedly non-poly talk.
Look, McDonalds makes burgers, they do it well, that's why you go there. But you can also get a salad, chicken, or ice cream should you wish.
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