Imus: Maddow Is "Gutless" For Not Defending Olbermann In "Real Time"

[fybush]

Re: Imus: Maddow Is "Gutless" For Not Defending Olbermann In "Real Time"

Maddow's show takes place at the MSNBC studios in New York (or is it Secaucus? I know "Countdown" is in Midtown Manhattan, what with the window behind the host overlooking Rockefeller Center). HBO's "Real Time" is recorded in Los Angeles.

To be specific about it, Maddow's show (and the rest of MSNBC's New York-based programming) comes from studio 3A/B in 30 Rock, which is adjacent to 3C, the NBC Nightly News studios. Countdown came from the little upstairs studio above 1A, the Today Show studio across the plaza from 30 Rock.

Real Time is done from CBS Television City, the famed "7800 Beverly Boulevard."

 

[Sammi Brie]

Re: Imus: Maddow Is "Gutless" For Not Defending Olbermann In "Real Time"

There's one exception: The Ed Show, which is produced in a "news nook" virtual set setup. (Ed was not that comfortable in the big studio, and his Minneapolis setup is similar.)

 

[fybush]

Re: Imus: Maddow Is "Gutless" For Not Defending Olbermann In "Real Time"

Good point! I'd forgotten about Ed's move down the hall. I believe he has a radio studio set up somewhere in the bowels of 30 Rock as well.

 

[Ultimajock]

Re: Imus: Maddow Is "Gutless" For Not Defending Olbermann In "Real Time"

Imus made his career out of ticking off the network that pays his salary. So did Howard. Deep down a whole lot of people would love to tick off the boss and get away with it. The great broadcast personalities, going back to Godfrey, have built their success on embodying that fantasy.

...Henry Morgan was doing that on the old Mutual network in 1940, three years before a national radio audience ever heard Arthur Godfrey's voice (as the announcer for Fred Allen's Texaco Time CBS show -- Godfrey's own morning show didn't climb from WJSV and WABC onto the full CBS network until '45)...

 

[MattParker]

Re: Imus: Maddow Is "Gutless" For Not Defending Olbermann In "Real Time"

Imus made his career out of ticking off the network that pays his salary. So did Howard. Deep down a whole lot of people would love to tick off the boss and get away with it. The great broadcast personalities, going back to Godfrey, have built their success on embodying that fantasy.

...Henry Morgan was doing that on the old Mutual network in 1940, three years before a national radio audience ever heard Arthur Godfrey's voice (as the announcer for Fred Allen's Texaco Time CBS show -- Godfrey's own morning show didn't climb from WJSV and WABC onto the full CBS network until '45)...

Not quite. Henry Morgan was "doing that" on WOR in 1940. He went network later. Godfrey started being outrageous in morning drive in Washington in the mid-30s. In fact, he invented the style of radio associated with morning drive. He not only made fun of the bosses, he made fun of the commercials and ad agencies (but never the sponsor or the product). Imus started "doing that" in Cleveland. Howard in Washington. In each case, biting the hand that fed them is what got them national deals.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Re: Imus: Maddow Is "Gutless" For Not Defending Olbermann In "Real Time"

But what was she supposed to say regarding Olbermann's departure? After all she isn't going to tick off the network that pays her a good salary now is she?

If she follows that line of thought, she will continue to be a second-tier personality. Imus made his career out of ticking off the network that pays his salary. So did Howard. Deep down a whole lot of people would love to tick off the boss and get away with it. The great broadcast personalities, going back to Godfrey, have built their success on embodying that fantasy.

That was a different era entirely. WNBC got huge ratings from Imus and Stern, along with the fact that the network promoted both of them (on TV ads) as being anti-establishment.

Maddow meanwhile doesn't find herself in a similar situation (ratings-wise) where she could take on network brass over Olbermann's departure. Also remember we have no idea what Comcast officials are going to do with NBC and MSNBC.

Maddow could be replaced tomorrow and that would hardly cause a ripple. Yet remember what happened when Imus was fired by WNBC? Ratings tanked and he was rehired.

 

[flashback]

Re: Imus: Maddow Is "Gutless" For Not Defending Olbermann In "Real Time"

i don`t understand why imis saying that about maddow amounts to any attention past the moment he said it.

 

[KTU_Fan]

Re: Imus: Maddow Is "Gutless" For Not Defending Olbermann In "Real Time"

But what was she supposed to say regarding Olbermann's departure? After all she isn't going to tick off the network that pays her a good salary now is she?

If she follows that line of thought, she will continue to be a second-tier personality. Imus made his career out of ticking off the network that pays his salary. So did Howard. Deep down a whole lot of people would love to tick off the boss and get away with it. The great broadcast personalities, going back to Godfrey, have built their success on embodying that fantasy.

Maddow is a political commentator, the other two you mentioned are shock jocks. Two completely different things.

 

[Ultimajock]

Re: Imus: Maddow Is "Gutless" For Not Defending Olbermann In "Real Time"

Imus made his career out of ticking off the network that pays his salary. So did Howard. Deep down a whole lot of people would love to tick off the boss and get away with it. The great broadcast personalities, going back to Godfrey, have built their success on embodying that fantasy.

...Henry Morgan was doing that on the old Mutual network in 1940, three years before a national radio audience ever heard Arthur Godfrey's voice (as the announcer for Fred Allen's Texaco Time CBS show -- Godfrey's own morning show didn't climb from WJSV and WABC onto the full CBS network until '45)...

Not quite. Henry Morgan was "doing that" on WOR in 1940. He went network later.

...Henry Morgan's 15-minute Here's Morgan program was fed by WOR to many Mutual affiliates that carried it as far West as Los Angeles and San Diego (one of the surviving airchecks closes with a KGB San Diego legal ID). I produced an installment of my Echoes of a Century historical radio series on Morgan's earliest programs, downloadable at http://radio4all.net/index.php/program/17810 -- and, as you can hear, the KGB aircheck deals in part with Morgan's impressions of the premiere of Citizen Kane in New York, which took place in May 1941...