Independents carrying uncleared network programming

[KMRichards]

In answering another thread here, I had occasion to look at how daytime network programming was often cleared in the San Francisco market in 1987 by non-network affiliates.

I've tried to piece together how it was done in that market (with notes for adjacent markets Sacramento and Salinas-Monterey, as applicable). If anyone can give the clearance schedules for other markets and/or other eras, that would be interesting for comparison.

Disclaimer: I have had to guess at what the in-pattern network schedule was, for the most part. The Castleman/Podrazik book doesn't take into account that daytime had different clearance times on the West Coast.

Source: TV Guide, San Francisco Metro Edition (week of May 7, 1987).

Programming carried in pattern, except as noted, by network affiliates:
ABC: KGO/7 S.F., KNTV/11 S-M, KOVR/13 Sacto.
CBS: KPIX/5 S.F., KXTV/10 Sacto, KMST/46 S-M.
NBC: KCRA/3 Sacto, KRON/4 S.F., KSBW/8 S-M.

9:00am
CBS: $25,000 Pyramid cleared in S.F. by independent KTZO/20 (KPIX carrying Hour Magazine).
NBC: Sale of the Century delayed in Sacramento by KCRA to 11:30. Cleared in Salinas-Monterey by Fox affiliate KCBA/35. KCRA carrying Hour Magazine, KSBW carrying Phil Donahue.

9:30am
CBS: Card Sharks delayed by KTZO to 10:00.
NBC: Classic Concentration carried by KTZO and KCBA.

10:00am
CBS: The Price Is Right delayed in S.F. to 3:00 (KPIX carrying People Are Talking, local interview show, KTZO carrying Card Sharks from 9:30).

11:00am
ABC: Ryan's Hope not cleared in Sacramento (KOVR carrying All My Children, apparently on a one-day delay, in favor of news at noon).

11:30am
ABC: Loving not cleared in Sacramento.

1:00pm
NBC: Another World not cleared in Sacramento (KCRA carrying TV Lite, local talk show).

3:00pm
NBC: Days of Our Lives delayed in Salinas-Monterey to noon, apparently on a one-day delay (KSBW carrying local movie from 3:00-5:00).<P ID="signature">______________


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[toby]

Here is a suggestion.
I think the Los Angeles listings may show what was in pattern for the West Coast.
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[SteveRichards]

> 3:00pm
> NBC: Days of Our Lives delayed in Salinas-Monterey to noon,
> apparently on a one-day delay (KSBW carrying local movie
> from 3:00-5:00).
>
NBC was feeding "Day of Our Lives" at 1PM ET/12N CT. I would assume since KSBW was airing "Days" at noon, it was from the "live" West Coast feed, since West Coast affiliates pretty much follow the Central Time pattern for daytime network shows. KRON and/or KCRA were probably delaying "Days" to 3PM to accomodate local news at noon.

 

[KMRichards]

> I think the Los Angeles listings may show what was in
> pattern for the West Coast.

*thwaps forehead* I should have thought of that. All O&Os.

Okay, here is the network-by-network in-pattern for West Coast daytime from the Los Angeles TV Guide week of September 12, 1987. (Admittedly, this is four months later than the San Francisco edition I have for the same year, and the Castleman/Podrazik book ends with 1983, but I have used the Shapiro book to "fix" the discrepancies.) Notes about the S.F./Sacto/Salinas-Monterey stations follow each listing; unless otherwise noted, clearance was in-pattern by the regular affiliate in each market.

ABC (KGO/7 S.F., KNTV/11 S-M, KOVR/13 Sacto):
10:00 Fame, Fortune & Romance
10:30 Webster
11:00 Ryan's Hope (no Sacto clearance)
11:30 Loving (no Sacto clearance)
12:00 All My Children (KOVR ran at 11:00 on one-day delay)
1:00 One Life to Live
2:00 General Hospital

CBS (KPIX/5 S.F., KXTV/10 Sacto, KMST/46 S-M):
9:00 $25,000 Pyramid (KOFY/20 in S.F.)
9:30 Card Sharks (KOFY delayed to 10:00 in S.F.)
10:00 The Price Is Right (KPIX delayed to 3:00)
11:00 The Young and the Restless
12:00 local
12:30 The Bold and the Beautiful
1:00 As the World Turns
2:00 Guiding Light

NBC (KCRA/3 Sacto, KRON/4 S.F., KSBW/8 S-M):
9:00 Sale of the Century (KCBA/35 in S-M, KCRA delayed to 11:30)
9:30 Classic Concentration (KOFY in S.F., KCBA in S-M, no Sacto clearance)
10:00 Wheel of Fortune
10:30 Scrabble
11:00 Super Password
11:30 local
12:00 Days of Our Lives (KCRA and KRON delayed to 3:00)
1:00 Another World (no Sacto clearance)
2:00 Santa Barbara

BTW, I found the San Francisco TV Guide for the week of July 29, 1989 (two years later) and while there was some delayed carriage, no daytime network programming was carried by non-affiliates in these three markets. The uncleared shows were:

ABC: Growing Pains (Sacto), Loving (Sacto)
CBS: Family Feud (Sacto), Wheel of Fortune (Sacto), Price is Right (S.F.)
NBC: Concentration (Sacto & S-M), Another World (Sacto)

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[oldiesfan]

> NBC was feeding "Day of Our Lives" at 1PM ET/12N CT.

Is this when NBC also had an alternate feed to the
Central time zone for the three afternoon soaps--
from 12:30-3:30pm CT?

Something about midwestern affils being quite beholden
to the "hole" at 12:00 for their midday news (and hog
prices, etc. ;-) going back to when their default hole
was at 12:00 as NBC was dark from 1:00-1:30 ET, and if
you go further back, 1:00-2:00 ET.

Still wouldn't quite solve--from the El-Lay O&Os posting
below--the 11:00-12:00 CT/PT slot (12:00-1:00 ET) being
a game show and a local half hour. Did NBC double-run
Super Password so ET stations could also have at hole at
noon or was the ET hole only at 12:30? If so, then the
alternate CT feed would result in two holes there--either
11:00 and 12:00 or 11:30 and 12:00.

 

[oldiesfan]

> ABC (KGO/7 S.F., KNTV/11 S-M, KOVR/13 Sacto):
> 12:00 All My Children (KOVR ran at 11:00 on one-day delay)

Since by '87 we were well into the satellite era,
could KOVR have recorded AMC off of the east coast
feed (1:00 ET) at 10:00 for playback at 11:00?

 

[KMRichards]

> > ABC (KGO/7 S.F., KNTV/11 S-M, KOVR/13 Sacto):
> > 12:00 All My Children (KOVR ran at 11:00 on one-day delay)
>
>
> Since by '87 we were well into the satellite era,
> could KOVR have recorded AMC off of the east coast
> feed (1:00 ET) at 10:00 for playback at 11:00?

They might have, except that KOVR's delay dated back to the pre-satellite era, so any switch to same-day delay would have resulted in a missed show. Being that the delayed program is a soap, I doubt they would have done that.

Of course, the whole matter became moot when they switched affiliations with KXTV/10 several years later.

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[SteveRichards]

> > NBC was feeding "Day of Our Lives" at 1PM ET/12N CT.
>
> Is this when NBC also had an alternate feed to the
> Central time zone for the three afternoon soaps--
> from 12:30-3:30pm CT?

Yes, this was the time, and I know of two or three affiliates that still air "Days" and "Passions" at 12:30 and 1:30 CT, respectively. I don't know if NBC feeds the shows then, or if the stations do the delay on their own.

> Something about midwestern affils being quite beholden
> to the "hole" at 12:00 for their midday news (and hog
> prices, etc. ;-) going back to when their default hole
> was at 12:00 as NBC was dark from 1:00-1:30 ET, and if
> you go further back, 1:00-2:00 ET.
>
> Still wouldn't quite solve--from the El-Lay O&Os posting
> below--the 11:00-12:00 CT/PT slot (12:00-1:00 ET) being
> a game show and a local half hour. Did NBC double-run
> Super Password so ET stations could also have at hole at
> noon or was the ET hole only at 12:30? If so, then the
> alternate CT feed would result in two holes there--either
> 11:00 and 12:00 or 11:30 and 12:00.
>
For the longest time, NBC had programming non-stop from 9AM to 3PM CT, except for those stations that took the optional 12:30 start of the afternoon line-up to plug in local news at noon. I can't remember exactly when NBC started cutting back on its daytime programming and there would have been a local hole created at Noon/11AM CT. NBC may have very well done a double-run of a half-hour show at 11 & 11:30 CT, in which case, there would be two potential 30-minute holes for local stations in the midday.

 

[SteveRichards]

> They might have, except that KOVR's delay dated back to the
> pre-satellite era, so any switch to same-day delay would
> have resulted in a missed show. Being that the delayed
> program is a soap, I doubt they would have done that.
>
Before CBS started offering the optional 11AM CT feed of "The Young and the Restless," my local CBS affiliate had been airing Y&R on a one-day delay at 11AM. On the Monday the split feed started being offered, this particular station did a double-run of Y&R, showing Friday's show at 10AM on Monday (delaying "Price Is Right" till 3:30PM that day only) and then picking up the new split feed of Y&R at 11.

KOVR may have just skipped the missed episode, aired it late at night, or aired it in a free slot over the weekend.

 

[Davros2006]

The reply was:
> Before CBS started offering the optional 11AM CT feed of
> "The Young and the Restless," my local CBS affiliate had
> been airing Y&R on a one-day delay at 11AM. On the Monday
> the split feed started being offered, this particular
> station did a double-run of Y&R, showing Friday's show at
> 10AM on Monday (delaying "Price Is Right" till 3:30PM that
> day only) and then picking up the new split feed of Y&R at
> 11.
>
> KOVR may have just skipped the missed episode, aired it late
> at night, or aired it in a free slot over the weekend.

My reply is:
I was pretty much thinking the same thing: Run 2 episodes of a show in 1 day to fill the gaps or air enough episodes to catch up. This next bit may be irrevalant, but when Monday Night Football was on ABC, the west coast stations on that network that carried Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy! would air a day later (end result: Tuesday to Saturday) while everyone else was in sync (which I believe led to some confusion at times). Also, when WSBK-TV38 carried the Red Sox Friday night games (they still do, they've been doing it for a few years now), unless the road game was outside the Eastern and Central time zones, they would send both those game shows to a Saturday night slot in the normal weeknight times of 7:00 and 7:30, and the weekend repeats from a year earlier would run on Sunday, sometimes in the afternoon or evening.

 

[Davros2006]

A little irrevalant, but I know of a few Global stations that carry both Days and Passions on the bottom of the hour, and it seems they run both shows' episodes one day AHEAD. (And Young and Restless is one day ahead on all Canadian stations except CHEK in Victoria.)

Also, still wandering off, The Price is Right used to air one day ahead on NTV in the '80s and '90s. As of today, very few Canadian stations carry TPIR, and those that do carry it as per the CBS live feed in the east. I know of some instances when if CBS interrupted from coast-to-coast then the Canadian stations would have to fill in the missing gaps (they don't get TPIR and Guiding Light from outside syndicators; they run at exactly the same time as their U.S. counterparts, and to subsitute for Canadian commercials can be tricky as a slight time mistake would cause a small gap; take CHEX in Peterbourough (I can't spell it off-hand) when they air Light -- they always come out of commercials a bit late). (One more thing, there's no end credits on the CH stations, which means when Fremantle disappears from the screen, that's it! They then go to a commercial or promo, or in the case of CHEK, go to the next show as they have a few seconds of time differential compared to CBS' west coast stations. Maybe CHEK benefits on the tape delay in case there's no interruptions out east.)

I'm taking quite long on this, so I'll end it here.

 

[bigbubby]

I don't know if KOVR ever did go back to the correct day's show, at least not until they moved AMC to 3:00 shortly before the switch with KXTV. This was a big deal in our house because we had both KOVR and KGO, and my grandmother, who only had KOVR, would ask us to tape episodes off of KGO sometimes so she could watch the continuation the same day.

 

[karaokelegend]

For years WBTV in Charlotte did not clear whatever CBS was airing at 10:30 in the daytime, they aired "The Price Is Right" on a one-day delay at 10:30 and aired the local "Top O' the Day" at 11:30. No other stations picked up the uncleared shows. And it wasn't until 1980 or so (when Search for Tomorrow moved to NBC) that they began airing "The Young and the Restless" because they aired "Betty Feezor" in addition to "Top O' the Day.". (Before my time but I've seen old schedules posted on here). Hard to believe pre-NBC channel 36 or post-ABC WCCB didn't pick up Y&R. Wonder why CBS let WBTV slide. But I guess the viewers turned over to WSPA in Spartanburg.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by karaokelegend on 02/27/06 09:29 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[bpatrick]

> For years WBTV in Charlotte did not clear whatever CBS was
> airing at 10:30 in the daytime, they aired "The Price Is
> Right" on a one-day delay at 10:30 and aired the local "Top
> O' the Day" at 11:30. No other stations picked up the
> uncleared shows. And it wasn't until 1980 or so (when Search
> for Tomorrow moved to NBC) that they began airing "The Young
> and the Restless" because they aired "Betty Feezor" in
> addition to "Top O' the Day.". (Before my time but I've seen
> old schedules posted on here). Hard to believe pre-NBC
> channel 36 or post-ABC WCCB didn't pick up Y&R. Wonder why
> CBS let WBTV slide. But I guess the viewers turned over to
> WSPA in Spartanburg.
>

I keep thinking that WCCB once ran Y&R on delay. I do recall
Secret Storm airing on 18 in its last few months (1973-74).

I've mentioned this before, but back around 1972 WTCG (now WTBS)
carried several NBC shows pre-empted by Atlanta's then-NBC affiliate,
WSB/2: The Wednesday Mystery Movie (Banacek, Cool Million, Madigan);
Jeopardy!; and Who, What Or Where. Ted Turner put billboards all
around Atlanta saying, "The NBC Network Moves to Channel 17" and
listing the shows he'd picked up. The billboards came down when
NBC threatened to sue.

WTOG/44 Tampa/St. Petersburg got a big boost in its early years
(late '60s/early '70s) because NBC affiliate WFLA/8 pre-empted
Saturday Night At The Movies; then-CBS affiliate WTVT/13 pre-empted
the CBS Friday Night Movie, the CBS Sunday Night News (11 PM), and
CBS's Sunday-morning cartoon block. Channel 44 picked all of them up;
I don't have the numbers but I know 44 was competitive in those time
slots. When I moved to Tampa in the summer of '73, 44 was also carrying
ABC's daytime reruns of Love, American Style on a one-day delay at
11 AM (WLCY/WTSP/10 pre-empted but then picked them up on pattern at 4 PM
that fall).

 

[ixnay]

For a while in the mid 70's WPHL-17 Philadelphia (then an indie, lately WB17, and I don't know what its future is networkwise), carried the ABC Friday (I think) Night Movie because WPVI-6 would show IIRC its own flicks in that slot. Correct me if necessary.

ixnay

 

[ccmfan]

> For a while in the mid 70's WPHL-17 Philadelphia (then an
> indie, lately WB17, and I don't know what its future is
> networkwise), carried the ABC Friday (I think) Night Movie
> because WPVI-6 would show IIRC its own flicks in that slot.
> Correct me if necessary.
>
> ixnay
>

In the early 80's WPTY 24 in Memphis, which was independent at the time, carried the CBS Late Movie because WREG CBS 3 was carrying local movies and later reruns of MASH, and later Cheers until David Letterman moved to CBS. WPTY dropped the CBS Late Movie when they became the Fox affiliate and eventually ABC in the 90's.

 

[KingDaevid]

> > For a while in the mid 70's WPHL-17 Philadelphia (then an
> > indie, lately WB17, and I don't know what its future is
> > networkwise), carried the ABC Friday (I think) Night Movie
>
> > because WPVI-6 would show IIRC its own flicks in that
> slot.
> > Correct me if necessary.
> >
>
> In the early 80's WPTY 24 in Memphis, which was independent
> at the time, carried the CBS Late Movie because WREG CBS 3
> was carrying local movies and later reruns of MASH, and
> later Cheers until David Letterman moved to CBS. WPTY
> dropped the CBS Late Movie when they became the Fox
> affiliate and eventually ABC in the 90's.

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[rugrats1]

> WTOG/44 Tampa/St. Petersburg got a big boost in its early
> years
> (late '60s/early '70s) [by clearing programs uncleared by the affiliates]...

In the early-1970s, I also recalled Sarasota's ABC affiliate WXLT (WWSB) ch.40 picking up sone shows uncleared by the Tampa stations. For instance, according to a fall 1972 TV Guide for Central Florida, ch.40 showed CBS's "The Joker's Wild" when WTVT ch.13 passed it over.

 

[TimInHouston]

When I visited Atlanta in the early 90s for the first time, I remember that WUPA-69 (don't recall what their call letters were during the period) carried "Match Game 90" which was passed over by WSB-2 (and most ABC affiliates around the country who ran news instead).

I don't recall any stations in the Evansville, IN market (my hometown market) not carrying the full network line-ups or passing select shows off to the indies (of which there was exactly one in the early 80s, WEVV-44 - later the Fox affiliate and now the CBS affiliate).

I know that KPRC-2-Houston passed of Sunset Beach to KTXH-20-UPN until it was cancelled. I think they then passed the first season or two of Passions off before picking it up.

 

[newsmark]

If anyone can give the
> clearance schedules for other markets and/or other eras,
> that would be interesting for comparison.

There were a few oddities in Dallas-Fort Worth.

WFAA (8-ABC) didn't run American Bandstand. It sometimes turned up on KDTV, Channel 39.

WFAA also passed on the first season of NYPD Blue, after protests outside the building because of the adult content. KTXA-21 picked it up.

A couple of years before KDFW-4 dropped CBS and picked up Fox, they quit running The Price is Right. KTVT-11, then an independent, picked it up. They later became the CBS affiliate.

There were other occasional preemptions, such as when KXAS (5-NBC) was running baseball games. The NBC programming would turn up, if memory serves me correctly, on KTXA.

WFAA never ran Port Charles in pattern. They played it overnights.