According to the latest ratings book, probably Spring 2009, what radio market number is Indianapolis? It seems that at one time it was #39, then it went down to #41 but I haven't seen what it is for a long time. Does anyone know what radio market number Indianapolis is now?
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Indianapolis market number
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Did Indy have a higher market rank say 40 years ago? I have this little spark of electricity in my head that tries to signal me that it was a top 20 or top 25 market at one time.
Indy apparently has not had the kind of growth that some metro areas have, and as a guy who fights this gosh-awful Atlanta traffic and has experienced some Houston traffic, having MODEST population growth in your market may be a blessing to be grateful for.
Indy apparently has not had the kind of growth that some metro areas have, and as a guy who fights this gosh-awful Atlanta traffic and has experienced some Houston traffic, having MODEST population growth in your market may be a blessing to be grateful for.
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it was never top 20(in the 1800's maybe before radio and the western states were added)the highest it got was #38 and that i remember was back in the early 70's..Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
Indianapolis itself is in the 20 largest cities by population (I want to say #14?), but that's partly because the city limits encompass a broad area. Dallas, for example, is a top 10 media market, but has a smaller population in the city limits.
Excellent points! Radio market size has always been different than TV market size.
Indianapolis had impressive population figures compared to other cities when UniGov was put in place. Chicago is a monster market, but demographically/geographically, there is this "core of the apple" that is The City, and then a hundred or more towns, villages, cities that make up the total market.
The first city that ever drove home his concept for me was St. Louis. When I lived in Indy, we would drive through St. Louis on our way to see family in the south end of The Ozarks. What a jig-saw puzzle.
Now I live near Atlanta. The actual city of Atlanta is not all that impressive in number of square miles or in a headcount of citizens. But we must rival St Louis in the number of "clustered communities and civil jurisdictions". Again, it makes a difference whether you are talking about the business volume of the Census Bureau's definition of a metropolitan statistical area vs. a radio market, vs. a TV market, vs. a newspaper market, or in our case, as an AIRPORT market.
The actual City of Atlanta probably has maybe less than 2/3rds the population of the City of Indianapolis, and yet Atlanta ranks #5, 6 or 7 in a lot of measurements. (THIRD in traffic misery!)
Indianapolis had impressive population figures compared to other cities when UniGov was put in place. Chicago is a monster market, but demographically/geographically, there is this "core of the apple" that is The City, and then a hundred or more towns, villages, cities that make up the total market.
The first city that ever drove home his concept for me was St. Louis. When I lived in Indy, we would drive through St. Louis on our way to see family in the south end of The Ozarks. What a jig-saw puzzle.
Now I live near Atlanta. The actual city of Atlanta is not all that impressive in number of square miles or in a headcount of citizens. But we must rival St Louis in the number of "clustered communities and civil jurisdictions". Again, it makes a difference whether you are talking about the business volume of the Census Bureau's definition of a metropolitan statistical area vs. a radio market, vs. a TV market, vs. a newspaper market, or in our case, as an AIRPORT market.
The actual City of Atlanta probably has maybe less than 2/3rds the population of the City of Indianapolis, and yet Atlanta ranks #5, 6 or 7 in a lot of measurements. (THIRD in traffic misery!)
We are #1 in the #2 Business!
And apologies to a local sanitation service.
They're Number 1 in the Number 2 Business.
And apologies to a local sanitation service.
They're Number 1 in the Number 2 Business.
Speaking of which, remember that sage piece of advice from the Jim Stafford song, "Cow Patti":ChiefEngineer said:
"You got to watch your step, when you know the chips are down."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwkRz-aMiPE
They just don't write songs like that anymore. It's those sad songs that really get to me.
KyDXIn said:
Speaking of which, do you think any station would dare play Jim Stafford's "My Girl Bill", which came out in 1973 or 1974? Very politically incorrect today.
To clear a few things up, Atlanta's city population now stands at about 540,000 people (the highest it's ever been)...whereas metro Atlanta is up to (gasp!) 5.4 million people. That means only 1 in 10 ppl who live in metro Atlanta actually lives in the city. In 1990 the ATL's city population dropped below 400,00 so this is a city on the rise that is now repopulating itself. It's already surpassed it's 1970's peak of nearly 500,000 people. Metro Atlanta, meanwhile, is the nation's fastest growing metropolitan area, so don't be surprised to see it surpass Houston at some point.
St. Louis, on the other hand, once peaked with a city population of over 850,00 people. Currently the city population is down to about 355,000 though the metro area is home to over 2.8 million people. Still, the city population of St. Louis represents the typical kind of drop you see in a lot of the rustbelt/Midwestern cities - Cleveland (once home to over 915,000 now down to about 470,000), Pittsburgh (peaked at close to 700,000 now down to about 310,000), and especially Detroit (city population peaked at 1.85 million, now down to 910,000).
Midwestern cities like Columbus, Oh, and Indianapolis are lucky in that they've managed to buck the trend, and were able to avoid seeing their inner cities crumble. Columbus is up to 754,00 and a metro area of 1.7 million, while Indi is up to 800,000 in the city, and 1.7 million in its metro area (2 million if you add the Combined Statistical area).
Important distinctions between Indi and Atlanta include the fact that while only 1 in 10 ppl who live in metro Atlanta actually live in the city of Atlanta, over in Indianapolis about half the metro area lives in the city. At the same time, Atlanta is about 130 Square miles in size versus Indi being 370 Square miles in size, about 3 times as much. Furthermore, while metro Atlanta is heavily spread out over 28 (!!!) counties, if you look at a map of metro Indi you'll notice that most of the suburbs form a ring that surrounds the immediate area around the city in all directions.
Lastly, someone mentioned a couple of major cities in Texas. Houston’s city population stands at over 2.2 million people, and its metro area is about 5.7 million. Yet the size of the city of Houston is HUGE at about 600 square miles (compare that with Indi’s 370, or Atlanta’s 130). The overwhelming majority of the ppl living in metro Houston, 4 million, live in just one county – Harris, which of course is where Houston sits.
Dallas has a city population of about 1.27 million, which in and of itself is far bigger than that of the city of Indianapolis (800,000). In fact, Ft. Worth, which is part of the Dallas metro area, has about 720,000 people, and will likely exceed Indi’s population in the coming years. The size of the city of Dallas is a bit bigger than that of Indi at 385 Square miles, while Ft. Worth is smaller than Indi at 300 Square miles. The Dallas-Ft. Worth metro area, aka the metroplex, is home to 6.3 million residents spread through 12 counties.
St. Louis, on the other hand, once peaked with a city population of over 850,00 people. Currently the city population is down to about 355,000 though the metro area is home to over 2.8 million people. Still, the city population of St. Louis represents the typical kind of drop you see in a lot of the rustbelt/Midwestern cities - Cleveland (once home to over 915,000 now down to about 470,000), Pittsburgh (peaked at close to 700,000 now down to about 310,000), and especially Detroit (city population peaked at 1.85 million, now down to 910,000).
Midwestern cities like Columbus, Oh, and Indianapolis are lucky in that they've managed to buck the trend, and were able to avoid seeing their inner cities crumble. Columbus is up to 754,00 and a metro area of 1.7 million, while Indi is up to 800,000 in the city, and 1.7 million in its metro area (2 million if you add the Combined Statistical area).
Important distinctions between Indi and Atlanta include the fact that while only 1 in 10 ppl who live in metro Atlanta actually live in the city of Atlanta, over in Indianapolis about half the metro area lives in the city. At the same time, Atlanta is about 130 Square miles in size versus Indi being 370 Square miles in size, about 3 times as much. Furthermore, while metro Atlanta is heavily spread out over 28 (!!!) counties, if you look at a map of metro Indi you'll notice that most of the suburbs form a ring that surrounds the immediate area around the city in all directions.
Lastly, someone mentioned a couple of major cities in Texas. Houston’s city population stands at over 2.2 million people, and its metro area is about 5.7 million. Yet the size of the city of Houston is HUGE at about 600 square miles (compare that with Indi’s 370, or Atlanta’s 130). The overwhelming majority of the ppl living in metro Houston, 4 million, live in just one county – Harris, which of course is where Houston sits.
Dallas has a city population of about 1.27 million, which in and of itself is far bigger than that of the city of Indianapolis (800,000). In fact, Ft. Worth, which is part of the Dallas metro area, has about 720,000 people, and will likely exceed Indi’s population in the coming years. The size of the city of Dallas is a bit bigger than that of Indi at 385 Square miles, while Ft. Worth is smaller than Indi at 300 Square miles. The Dallas-Ft. Worth metro area, aka the metroplex, is home to 6.3 million residents spread through 12 counties.
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