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Indiana's worst for...

> > > > Actually, I think Radio One Communications does a
> pretty
> >
> > > > good job with their automation at least on their FMs.
> I
> >
> > > > haven't listened to WAKE enough to come to any
> > reasonable
> > > > conclusion with them. Z107 and The X are pretty tight
>
> > > with
> > > > their liners, magic calls, promos, etc. The music
> > doesn't
> > >
> > > > overpower the localized drops and the news and traffic
>
> > > > updates, which are a necessity in that area during
> drive
> >
> > > > times also sound pretty decent. Granted, I live in
> the
> > > > Lafayette area and don't listen to these stations on a
>
> > > > regular basis, but I have heard them in many dayparts
> > > during
> > > > the week and weekends and never heard any problems.
> > > >
> > > > Believe me, there are plenty of stations out there
> that
> > > > sound much worse when it comes to automation. My vote
>
> > for
> > >
> > > > the area goes to WMRS, "Sunny 107-7" in Monticello.
> The
> >
> > > > station's magic calls are done by the morning guy 24/7
>
> > and
> > >
> > > > they always overlap with the satellite jock. For
> > example,
> > >
> > > > one that plays all the time is "The CD is
> ready...WMRS"
> >
> > > > Before the calls are even muttered, the satellite jock
>
> > is
> > > > already talking. That overlap really dismisses even
> an
> > > > inkling of an imagination from the listener that the
> > jock
> > > is
> > > > really in-studio. I have to give WMRS some props,
> > though.
> > >
> > > > They are very community-oriented and have fun on the
> > > radio,
> > > > which are two things you very seldom hear anymore.
> WMRS
> >
> > > > uses the AC format from Jones Radio Networks. Given
> > their
> > >
> > > > on-air presentation and music selection during live
> > times,
> > >
> > > > I'm really surprised they haven't moved to the Jones
> Hot
> >
> > > AC
> > > > format since it's now available in the area.
> > > >
> > > > By the way to answer your automation question about
> > WXRD,
> > > > they use Jones Radio Network's Classic Rock format for
>
> > all
> > >
> > > > dayparts except Bob & Tom. Also unless things changed
> > > fairly
> > > > recently, WAKE utilizes Jones Radio Network's Music of
>
> > > Your
> > > > Life format. Of course as you mentioned, WZVN is on
> > > > Westwood One's Bright AC format. I should note that
> out
> >
> > > of
> > > > all the Bright AC affiliates that I've heard within
> the
> > > past
> > > > year, Z 107 is probably the best sounding station that
>
> > > uses
> > > > the format out of every station. The only other
> station
> >
> > > > that captured the format's essence was WAZY in
> Lafayette
> >
> > > > when it used Bright AC from 1997-2000.
> > > >
> > > I live in Z107's listening area, and I can tell you that
>
> > one
> > > thing that is done poorly with the WW1 feed is, that at
> > the
> > > top of the hour, if a song is still playing, the ID pops
>
> > up
> > > right in the middle of the song, and then if it doesn't
> go
> >
> > > local after the ID, then it plays a new song. When the
> > > station runs totally local, the top of the hour ID is
> run
> > > after a song has completed. It runs more smoothly when
> > run
> > > locally than when run on the bird. I still wish that
> WZVN
> >
> > > would run more local dayparts. Overnights could be
> > > automated locally, and for evenings, they could run a
> > > syndicated show like sister station WLJE does. The
> > dayparts
> > > are off by an hour or 2 due to being run from
> California.
> >
> > > Mike Tanner comes on at 9am, Gary Thompson at 2pm (might
>
> > be
> > > typical of some stations), then Laurie Allen at 8pm
> > instead
> > > of 6 or 7pm, normally when the evening daypart starts.
> > For
> > > overnights, I forgot who at WW1 runs overnights, but the
>
> > > overnight daypart starts at 2am, and 11pm-12am is
> normally
> >
> > > the time that overnights starts. I know some of what I
> > > mention is petty, but I don't like how the station is
> run,
> >
> > > and don't listen to it.
> > >
> >
> > Not petty at all, Dave, and I have to tell you, I
> definitely
> > have to agree with you on how Westwood One runs Bright AC.
>
> > The network has certainly gone downhill over the last
> > several years. There's a Bright AC affiliate here in
> > Lafayette, WGLM, and I have also noticed that the network
> > messes up on backtiming songs and has to cut the last song
>
> > of the hour cold with about a minute to go in the song in
> > order to sync back up to the top of the hour. I can
> > understand if it happens every once in awhile, but it
> seems
> > to be happening more and more often. My biggest gripe
> about
> > the format is the how they schedule the music. It seems
> > like the network runs one...maybe two music scheduling
> > clocks during the week. The whole variety factor gets
> blown
> > out of the window when you're always hearing a new current
>
> > coming out of the top-of-the-hour news option and that
> very
> > same song plays at the very same time a couple hours
> later.
> > I like the weekend programming, though. :)
> >
>
>
>
> good god...let's all get together and sing kum-bi-yah...
>

I scrolled through all that just for that line?
 
> > GREAT POINT above... But, on another angle, I volunteer to
> program, engineer and run a New Rock/Alternative LPFM in the
> Evansville area that "ON PURPOSE" sets the elements to be
> played with all the music ending, and some short gaps
> between the liner, song and underwriting/non-profit ads...We
> found our 15-29 group listening like the "Anti-Radio-Radio"
> approach to this programming... Whatever the 'norm' is, you
> will have a small radical demo or psychographic group that
> wants the complete opposite, thinking it's cool.....In the
> ears of the beholder....>
>
Really. Where did you get your research to come up with that finding? I'd like to know. How large was your sample? What questions did you ask? And who is we? How large is your research department?
 
> You know,
>
> I have to agree with Steppinwolf....The Indy Jack! The
> format is a great idea, but nothing local, no talent, equals
> bad radio and its just "rude". "We play what we want".
> Theres this station back in my hometown of Chicago, and
> their slogan is "While Others play what they want, we play
> what YOU want".
>
Ah, but you don't get it, do you? They are actually playing what we want, even though they say they are playing what they want. The whole idea is brilliant. They don't take requests. While other stations do, 90% of the requests don't make it to the air. Most people aren't stupid, and know this. I like Jack, they don't get people's hopes up on plaing THEIR song.

I do like the fact that DJs (at least the untrained kind that just talk for talking sake instead of having something real to say) aren't present as well. Just songs and commercials. Who really needs local, unless storms are coming. Then, I turn it to someone dependable, like WIBC. Give Jack a break.
 
I like having personalities on the air, but as you point out here,

> (at least the untrained kind
> that just talk for talking sake instead of having something
> real to say)

I want to hear them say something other than the call letters, slogan/positioning statement and then time, temp and song ID. Please say something interesting about what is going on in the world or with an artist or a neat story about the music. Entertain me, please.
 
so what?

> So what if radio people think JACK is boring? According to
> the most recent audience ratings, JACK is among the top tier
> of stations in Indianapolis.

No, it isn't. OC, why don't you admit that you've never worked in radio?


> Not to mention, they are billing fabulously since they
> flipped to JACK (which was a major motivator to drop Oldies-

How would YOU know anything about their billing? Are you a janitor there and have access to billing information?
 
consider the source

You OC, who's never worked at a radio station, consider yourself a reliable source?

> He's obviously a frustrated radio wannabe, Mike. Never
> really made it in our business, so naturally when a hot new
> format comes on WITHOUT JOCKS, guys/girls like him get
> really nervous, figuring here's another nail in my coffin as
> a jock.
 
> > >
> Really. Where did you get your research to come up with
> that finding? I'd like to know. How large was your sample?
> What questions did you ask? And who is we? How large is
> your research department?
>
Because of our very low budget for this LPFM...We did the old 'hit the streets and attend every function and go to every corner we could in the two counties under the signal'....Ask questions on culture, fads, belief systems (psychographic information and lifestyle)....Our biggest help is the fact we've (Youth Incorporated Of Southern Indiana) have been doing concerts and coffee house outreach for over 15 years... Thus, we had some trends and see trends forming as we try and just be a 'break even' outlet to this underserved demographic and niche within' it.....I am (as the 'guru' manager/music-programmer/engineer and ala'carte guy) always asking the clientle and not leaning too much on the hired and volunteer help that has a deeper music and slightly older skew....If they really think a tune sucks, I thank them for the input and go to the 'customers' and 15 to 29 year olds that hang and call on the comment line...I can tell 'ringers' pretty well on the phones...It's an Evansville/Fort Wayne/South Bend type of town, not Indy or L'ville.... Alot of the input I get come from this group that has no knowledge that I am the guy at the station.... I loved that concept when I did the same thing getting 'Radio-U' on the air in 1996 (in Columbus, Ohio)...Hey? I'm not programming to me or the 'artist' element at the coffee house...But the clientle..... If I had a grand to two to blow, it would go into more researched oriented..But then, we're a 501(c)3 with a skewed budget... I know my Way-Fm years were great in the fact we had the cash (as we grew) to do more stable research in that CHR based Christian Format...I also currently watch what those closely formated stations in Indy-L'ville-Cincy-St.Louis and Nash-Vegas do (as they are within 3.5 hours of our lower midwest/upper midsouth market)....Funny? Our streaming numbers are the only real area that I can get a number and see if it grows or slows on streaming...It's grown every month since sign-on in December of 2004...
Personally, I am an old Teen Jock from the nightime CHR/Top-40 era...Smokin' stuff like the old WIFE/WNDE/WAKY/WGBF type of approach and love things as tight as a Hoosier on a shoping spree....
 
so what?

Your question further demonstrates how out-of-the-loop you are in the real world of radio today. A very small-market, myopic view of the industry is your obvious perspective.

When you're actually IN RADIO and running with the big dogs, you get access to pertinent, current information like ratings (beyond 12+) and revenue performance.

>
> How would YOU know anything about their billing? Are you a
> janitor there and have access to billing information?
>
 
the source

sure, go believe whatever you like. I know denial is all you have to hang on to.

SHOW OF HANDS: who else believes (by reading through my postings on Programming) believes I've never been in radio?



> You OC, who's never worked at a radio station, consider
> yourself a reliable source?
>
> > He's obviously a frustrated radio wannabe, Mike. Never
> > really made it in our business, so naturally when a hot
> new
> > format comes on WITHOUT JOCKS, guys/girls like him get
> > really nervous, figuring here's another nail in my coffin
> as
> > a jock.
>
 
Re: so what?

Hey, OC. Why not tell us your experience. You keep avoiding the issue. Besides, with a full time radio job, how do you have time to post 3789 messages and on practically every board, too?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by pprd on 04/19/06 03:11 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: so what?

Agreed Steppenwolf. I have done several things with my station outside of Chicago that has more than proved listeners DO CARE about having personalities.

No matter how much owners and GMs want to tell you jocks don't matter....

someone forgot to tell the listeners not to care about their djs...in reality 30-40% of casual radio listeners think we still pick the music to play.

As for Gold/Jack...it was billing well before the flip...of course bottom line is better without jock salaries...and could get even better...looking at their website they have a lot of people doing a lot of nothing
 
Re: so what?

> When you're actually IN RADIO and running with the big dogs,

Dude. Working in Kokomo isn't running with the big dogs
 
Re: the source

> SHOW OF HANDS: who else believes (by reading through my
> postings on Programming) believes I've never been in radio?
>

I believe you did a 2 hour show once a week at a college station
 
> Actually, I think Radio One Communications does a pretty
> good job with their automation at least on their FMs. I
> haven't listened to WAKE enough to come to any reasonable
> conclusion with them. Z107 and The X are pretty tight with
> their liners, magic calls, promos, etc.
That may be true...but the same liners, calls, ect. are running from over 2 years ago.

>
> By the way to answer your automation question about WXRD,
> they use Jones Radio Network's Classic Rock format for all
> dayparts except Bob & Tom.
They have recently started using Alice Cooper at Night as well. Only local show on WXRD is on Sunday Nights

WLJE is local in 5a-7p. They use Lia AND Blair.
 
> I live in Z107's listening area, and I can tell you that one
> thing that is done poorly with the WW1 feed is, that at the
> top of the hour, if a song is still playing, the ID pops up
> right in the middle of the song, and then if it doesn't go
> local after the ID, then it plays a new song. When the
> station runs totally local, the top of the hour ID is run
> after a song has completed.
Not to defend Radio One...but that has NOTHING to do with the local station.

WW1 voice tracks 90% of their shifts...the computer fires the ID tones and fades out whatever is playing from the Bright AC studios

I forgot who at WW1 runs overnights, but the
> overnight daypart starts at 2am,
Craig Roberts. The puke voice of the WW1 promos for Bright AC and their country format. Nasty.
 
Steppenwolf said:
Technically there's nothing wrong but from a programming standpoint, Indy's Jack is boring. No personality. No local involvement.> So which station is the worst in Indiana for bad automation> or bad voice tracking or just plain bad satellite automation> in general? The floor is yours, let the voting begin!>
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I think my main problem with JACK is obvious.I'm 53 years old and had the best oldies station ever (GOLD 104.5) coming to me from that location. No more!Yes, I gave JACK a chance, but, at the time I listened, I only heard one song that I even recognized. The rest of the stuff I didn't know JACK about--and really didn't care to be introduced to it, thank you!Just my personal tastes in music, I guess.Perhaps, it's changed since I last listened--perhaps has even changed for the worse/worst. I have no idea.I now have WERK for my oldies station, but that pales in the light of GOLD. Let's face it: GOLD is just a tough act to follow when it comes to oldies stations.Mostly, these days, I listen to the best country station I've heard since the days of WIRE 1430 AM: HANK! That's WLHK Indianapolis/Shelbyville and 97.1 on your FM dial!
 
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