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Infinity FM Stations have a real identity crisis

R

RadioNation

I'm really confused as to why Infinity has now 3 FM stations with absolutely no identity whatsoever. What is happening to NYC Radio???

-Now Jack FM and MIX 102.7 are overlapping
...what even more odd is that K-ROCK and Jack overlap as well!!

Do radio formats exist anymore???????
 
I think there will be at least one more format change among Infinity's New York FM stations.

Once Howard Stern leaves, WXRK-92.3 will change formats. With the stunning switch of WCBS-101.1 to "Jack" (which is what I think 92.3 would have ended up being had 101.1 not been flipped), you may actually see country at 92.3. What else (except for a return to oldies, but I don't see that happening, considering the current state of the industry) could Infinity do with 92.3, now that "Jack" is at 101.1??

As for 102.7?? Look for some tweaks in the music.
 
> As for 102.7?? Look for some tweaks in the music.
>

Are you kidding me? For what? Jack is a white, white hits format. It doesn't acknowledge much (if any) dance and little to no urban x-over hits. It's segues are train wrecks so hard on the ears one needs muffs to deal with them

Here's 102.7's last hour:

DESTINY'S CHILD Independent Women Part 1

06:54 PM STEVIE B Spring Love

06:51 PM EVELYN 'CHAMPAGNE' KING Shame

06:47 PM C&C MUSIC FACTORY A Deeper Love

06:43 PM MADONNA Into The Groove

06:32 PM MICHAEL JACKSON Rock With You

06:28 PM THE JACKSONS Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground)

06:18 PM LIME Babe We're Gonna Love Tonight

06:09 PM GQ Disco Nights (Rock Freak)

06:06 PM CHIC Dance, Dance, Dance (Yowsah, Yowsah, Yowsah)

I'd be willing to bet you little to NONE of these titles exist because of the whiteness of the Jack format. Lime? On a Jack? NEVER HAPPEN. Come to think of it, I wish we had a 102.7 like this in Chicago. They'd be doing some damage to a few stations. Nothing wrong with retro and oldies hits that aren't from a bunch of washed up white bands. There's more to life than just rock and pop oldies, Jack ignores that fact.
 
> -Now Jack FM and MIX 102.7 are overlapping

Not true. Mix concentrates more on dance classics, while Jack is all over the road.

> ...what even more odd is that K-ROCK and Jack overlap as well!!

True, but only in small doses. For example, I'm hearing AC/DC's "Back in Black" on 101.1 as I type this.<P ID="signature">______________


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> I think there will be at least one more format change among
> Infinity's New York FM stations.
>
> Once Howard Stern leaves, WXRK-92.3 will change formats.
> With the stunning switch of WCBS-101.1 to "Jack" (which is
> what I think 92.3 would have ended up being had 101.1 not
> been flipped), you may actually see country at 92.3. What
> else (except for a return to oldies, but I don't see that
> happening, considering the current state of the industry)
> could Infinity do with 92.3, now that "Jack" is at 101.1??
>
> As for 102.7?? Look for some tweaks in the music.
>
WXRK-Country
WCBS-FM Jack
WNEW-Hip Hop
I wouldn't doubt this will be the way it is 1 year from now
-John
RIP WCBS-FM 101.1 The Greatest Hits of All Time! You will be deeply missed. Go to hell Infinity
 
(Frish) Sighs Of Relief...

(In an effort to clean up this board a little, I've taken this previously lone thread and moved it to this one.)

Frish wrote at 8:51 PM:

> I'm sure they're breathing sighs of relief in the halls of
> both WXRK, and WNEW today now that the Jack rumors have
> beeen put torest and funnelled into CBS FM. Pretty big
> gamble on an unproven format if you ask me.

I replied at 9:01 PM:

Far from it... At least until the end of the year for WXRK... The core of their former alternative format is now on an Internet stream.

Now look at CBS-FM and WJMK in Chicago - their former formats are also Internet-only.

The "Great Rock Period" ploy over at 92.3 is simply that - a "period" that will likely end come 2006.

As far as WNEW, I'm still holding firm to my belief that they'll adopt a Spanish-type format, whether or not WKTU dumps its own dance format.<P ID="signature">______________


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A flip of WNEW could happen (though personally I hope it doesn't)...in reference to some things:

NYC doesn't need another Hip Hop Station: 2 Urban Stations, 2 Urban ACs

NYC is missing country, but does one really think that hick music such as country would play so well in NYC? Country is such an easier sell in smaller markets and down south...

Why is there a need to get rid of K-Rock. It's ratings arent' stellar, but certainly not awful. The same goes with CBS-FM. I'm still stunned as to why everyone thinks this format can have longevity. After a few years, I feel it will have played itself out. CBS-FM was still pulling above a 3 in the last ratings book, and was the 8th ranked FM in the 12+ in the market. (WJMK was 8th in FM stations in the 12+ last book in Chicago..most certainly higher in its target). Infinity is betting a bunch with this stupid Jack-FM junk. Entercom has also jumped on it a decent amount.

It should be noted that the much maligned Clear Channel, has been relatively quiet on this front. They've only flipped 2 or 3 stations (at last count) across the country, instead sticking to real radio "formats"....bravo CC.
 
Re: (Frish) Sighs Of Relief...

> (In an effort to clean up this board a little, I've taken
> this previously lone thread and moved it to this one.)
>
> Frish wrote at 8:51 PM:
>
> > I'm sure they're breathing sighs of relief in the halls of
>
> > both WXRK, and WNEW today now that the Jack rumors have
> > beeen put torest and funnelled into CBS FM. Pretty big
> > gamble on an unproven format if you ask me.
>
> I replied at 9:01 PM:
>
> Far from it... At least until the end of the year for
> WXRK... The core of their former alternative format is now
> on an Internet stream.
>
> Now look at CBS-FM and WJMK in Chicago - their former
> formats are also Internet-only.
>
> The "Great Rock Period" ploy over at 92.3 is simply that - a
> "period" that will likely end come 2006.
>
> As far as WNEW, I'm still holding firm to my belief that
> they'll adopt a Spanish-type format, whether or not WKTU
> dumps its own dance format.
>

No, no, I meant that the speculation about XRK's flip in 06 was to be JAck so now that another infinity sttation has done it they're off the hook as far as the Jack format rumor goes. NOW as to your assertion that their aor format is still vulnerable for an 06 flip, TO WHAT? you just said that you thought that WNEw would target hispanics in some form or other, so what does that leave for XRK?

thank you.
 
Re: (Frish) Sighs Of Relief...

> No, no, I meant that the speculation about XRK's flip in
> 06 was to be JAck so now that another infinity sttation has
> done it they're off the hook as far as the Jack format rumor
> goes. NOW as to your assertion that their aor format is
> still vulnerable for an 06 flip, TO WHAT? you just said that
> you thought that WNEw would target hispanics in some form or
> other, so what does that leave for XRK?
>
> thank you.

Check out the "92.3 - Two Major Possibilities" post further up on the board. To me, these formats would make economic sense on the frequency. (Sorry, no cowboy hats involved.)<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
> > As for 102.7?? Look for some tweaks in the music.
> >
>
> Are you kidding me? For what? Jack is a white, white hits
> format. It doesn't acknowledge much (if any) dance and
> little to no urban x-over hits. It's segues are train wrecks
> so hard on the ears one needs muffs to deal with them
>
> Here's 102.7's last hour:
>
> DESTINY'S CHILD Independent Women Part 1
>
> 06:54 PM STEVIE B Spring Love
>
> 06:51 PM EVELYN 'CHAMPAGNE' KING Shame
>
> 06:47 PM C&C MUSIC FACTORY A Deeper Love
>
> 06:43 PM MADONNA Into The Groove
>
> 06:32 PM MICHAEL JACKSON Rock With You
>
> 06:28 PM THE JACKSONS Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground)
>
>
> 06:18 PM LIME Babe We're Gonna Love Tonight
>
> 06:09 PM GQ Disco Nights (Rock Freak)
>
> 06:06 PM CHIC Dance, Dance, Dance (Yowsah, Yowsah, Yowsah)
>
>
> I'd be willing to bet you little to NONE of these titles
> exist because of the whiteness of the Jack format. Lime? On
> a Jack? NEVER HAPPEN. Come to think of it, I wish we had a
> 102.7 like this in Chicago. They'd be doing some damage to a
> few stations. Nothing wrong with retro and oldies hits that
> aren't from a bunch of washed up white bands. There's more
> to life than just rock and pop oldies, Jack ignores that
> fact.
>



Madonnas white so is OK to have that crossover song on Jack. Lime? Forget it. No Destinys Child on Jack but you might hear Jewel!

The thing I hate about Jack, its tries to be antiradio, making the listeners feel like its just like what they would mix up in their ipod. But leans too much on the safe and proven rock and pop oldies.
 
> > I think there will be at least one more format change
> among
> > Infinity's New York FM stations.
> >
> > Once Howard Stern leaves, WXRK-92.3 will change formats.
> > With the stunning switch of WCBS-101.1 to "Jack" (which is
>
> > what I think 92.3 would have ended up being had 101.1 not
> > been flipped), you may actually see country at 92.3. What
> > else (except for a return to oldies, but I don't see that
> > happening, considering the current state of the industry)
> > could Infinity do with 92.3, now that "Jack" is at 101.1??
>
> >
> > As for 102.7?? Look for some tweaks in the music.
> >
> WXRK-Country
> WCBS-FM Jack
> WNEW-Hip Hop
> I wouldn't doubt this will be the way it is 1 year from now
> -John
> RIP WCBS-FM 101.1 The Greatest Hits of All Time! You will be
> deeply missed. Go to hell Infinity
>

I just don't see K Rock flipping to country, but then again, I didn't see this happening. WNEW: hip hop? No! I just don't understand why Infinity choses to throw away legendary, great stations with decent ratings, then the stations that are already at the bottom of the dumpster such as K Rock or Mix.

Like I keep saying, perhaps another 2 or so radio stations might flip within the next few months due to this change. I want Jack to hit the road. But, I would welcome him to the doors of Mix 1027 or 923 K Rock, even if Stern was still on in the morning. That is what they did in Buffalo.

RIP CBS FM<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin</P>
 
> A flip of WNEW could happen (though personally I hope it
> doesn't)...in reference to some things:
>
> NYC doesn't need another Hip Hop Station: 2 Urban Stations,
> 2 Urban ACs
>
> NYC is missing country, but does one really think that hick
> music such as country would play so well in NYC? Country is
> such an easier sell in smaller markets and down south...
>
> Why is there a need to get rid of K-Rock. It's ratings
> arent' stellar, but certainly not awful. The same goes with
> CBS-FM. I'm still stunned as to why everyone thinks this
> format can have longevity. After a few years, I feel it will
> have played itself out. CBS-FM was still pulling above a 3
> in the last ratings book, and was the 8th ranked FM in the
> 12+ in the market. (WJMK was 8th in FM stations in the 12+
> last book in Chicago..most certainly higher in its target).
> Infinity is betting a bunch with this stupid Jack-FM junk.
> Entercom has also jumped on it a decent amount.
>
> It should be noted that the much maligned Clear Channel, has
> been relatively quiet on this front. They've only flipped 2
> or 3 stations (at last count) across the country, instead
> sticking to real radio "formats"....bravo CC.
>

I am currently more upset with Infinity than CC at this time! lol CC or Emmis should make a move. What about 101.9?
<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin</P>
 
> I just don't see K Rock flipping to country, but then again,
> I didn't see this happening. WNEW: hip hop? No! I just don't
> understand why Infinity choses to throw away legendary,
> great stations with decent ratings, then the stations that
> are already at the bottom of the dumpster such as K Rock or
> Mix.

Because WXRK - at least for the remainder of this year - and somehow WNEW - bill really well. Not to say that WCBS-FM wasn't, despite their ratings - this switch made by Infinity management was likely a long-term decision.<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
Infinity looking at the long term

> Because WXRK - at least for the remainder of this year - and
> somehow WNEW - bill really well. Not to say that WCBS-FM
> wasn't, despite their ratings - this switch made by Infinity
> management was likely a long-term decision.

If the crazed consultant-turned-moderator can comment on a fellow mod's insight:

DJ is right on the mark. Read all the discussions on the R-I Oldies board; the format is losing stations left and right in the medium and large markets. Say what you will about Infinity -- and I know the disenfranchised CBS-FM listeners aren't going to be charitable toward them at the moment -- but they knew that they were going to have to flip 101.1 eventually. Better to do it before the billing started dropping below the threshold of viability, given their talent costs.

It likely matters little to Infinity that the Jack format might itself have to be replaced in a couple of years. They probably are already formulating a plan for that eventuality. In the meantime, they get the "street buzz" from running this hot, trendy format, and even if billing drops some, their overhead is so low that they are still profitable.

As for WXRK, no one outside of Infinity knows what their plans are post-Stern. There is all kinds of speculation, but I would be surprised if Infinity isn't working on a new national morning show. If that is the case, they are either developing something compatible with the K-Rock format or they will flip 92.3 at the same time as the introduction of the new morning show.

WNEW, while nowhere near where it was in its glory days, does target a demo that is much desired by agency buyers. And that is where the money is, after all ... in the hands of the agencies.

This would have been my two cents' worth, but between inflation and the length of this post, you owe me twenty bucks.
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Re: Infinity looking at the long term

> It likely matters little to Infinity that the Jack format
> might itself have to be replaced in a couple of years. They
> probably are already formulating a plan for that
> eventuality. In the meantime, they get the "street buzz"
> from running this hot, trendy format, and even if billing
> drops some, their overhead is so low that they are still
> profitable.

Exactly what Clear Channel/AMFM/Chancellor did with Jammin' Oldies - tried to capitalize on a format that would be the next sensation. Big radio companies take a gamble, and sometimes, even the most beloved radio stations take a hit. That's just the way it is.

> As for WXRK, no one outside of Infinity knows what their
> plans are post-Stern. There is all kinds of speculation,
> but I would be surprised if Infinity isn't working on a new
> national morning show. If that is the case, they are either
> developing something compatible with the K-Rock format or
> they will flip 92.3 at the same time as the introduction of
> the new morning show.

I just posted elsewhere that I wouldn't be surprised if WXRK and WCKG/Chicago both had a "double-over" next year, similar to what we've seen this weekend.

Maybe the next format they're working on is a Spanish Jack...

> This would have been my two cents' worth, but between
> inflation and the length of this post, you owe me twenty
> bucks.

Hey, not bad for your second-ever post on the NYC board. ;) All valid points.<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
(radioken) Infinity Should Do This....

(Reposted from another thread)

Posted by: radioken
Posted on: 06/04/05 02:51 PM

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Now with WCBS-FM going Jack and at the end of this year Howard going to Satellite Radio. Infinity could do something real smart here and WCBS-FM could be oldies once again. At the end of the year WCBS-FM can have an important message, saying we are moving Jack to our sister station 92.3 on the dial, the only reason we put the Jack format on WCBS-FM was to get New York listeners a feel for the format. Then WCBS-FM 101 could go back to playing oldies in 2006.
This is just a thought I had. What you guys think?


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(Bill W.) Infinity online radio

(Reposted from another thread)

Posted by: Bill W.
Posted on: 06/04/05 03:58 PM

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Infinity has changed 2 radio stations in NYC and has left the old format as an online radio station.
You have K-rock2 alt rock online and WCBS oldies online too.

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New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
Re: The "whiteness" of Jack

> Madonnas white so is OK to have that crossover song on Jack.
> Lime? Forget it. No Destinys Child on Jack but you might
> hear Jewel!

Given Destiny's mainstream success, I'd say it's possible, at least in New York, to hear at least "Jumpin Jumpin" on Jack. I don't want to get into the major ethnicity of the artists on Jack. Last night, I heard MC Hammer and the Ohio Players. Today, they played Earth, Wind and Fire. (And for the record, last hour, they did indeed play Jewel.)

> The thing I hate about Jack, its tries to be antiradio,
> making the listeners feel like its just like what they would
> mix up in their ipod. But leans too much on the safe and
> proven rock and pop oldies.

So in other words, it's the "anti-iPod". I get it.
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