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Info on Leasing a station?

We're a local radio and tv ministry/group in Austin.

We were involved with KNLE 88.1 for a while back in 06, and are currently involved with KELG 1440am.

Does anybody have any info on what stations in the Austin or San Antonio area are currently leasing/brokering air time? Or any translators that might be available to lease, like BMP is currently doing with 97.1 and 106.5 Keilah?

Any GM's from a station on the board that would like to help me get some info?


Thanks.
 
What is the status of KTXW 1120, supposedly under construction? Apparently it will be a brokered time programming model. Might check into that.
 
tsaldana3 said:
We're a local radio and tv ministry/group in Austin.

We were involved with KNLE 88.1 for a while back in 06, and are currently involved with KELG 1440am.

Does anybody have any info on what stations in the Austin or San Antonio area are currently leasing/brokering air time? Or any translators that might be available to lease, like BMP is currently doing with 97.1 and 106.5 Keilah?

Any GM's from a station on the board that would like to help me get some info?


Thanks.


Depends on your budget. Any station can basically be bought or even LMA'd if the price is right. Be expecting to dish out major cash in a market like San Antonio. Even the crappy translators in San Antonio owned by the Radio Ola people are bringing in $15K a month and that's before all the other expenses tower rent, utilities, engineering, etc. The translator on 102.3 in San Antonio is currently going for $20K a month ($30K with the AM in Boerne) That's all before the expenses of the actual originating station of the translator.

In a smaller market like Austin or Corpus Christi you can lease a translator for about $3-$5k a month but you have to also factor in the cost of originating it. You will have to find another station that has an extra HD channel they are not using to originate the programming for the translator. (Legally a translator can't originate it's own separate programming) If you can find a broadcaster willing to lease out one of their HD channels in Austin or Corpus Christi you are looking at another $5-$8K a month (depending on what city and who the owner is). I mention HD channels to feed translators because that's about the easiest and cheapest way to get it done. You could feed it with an AM if it fits inside the service contour properly but you are going to pay a lot more a month for an AM station on a lease then secondary HD channel. Not to mention all the maintenance cost that also go into an AM tower site and most leases require you to maintain or reimburse the owner for such fees and engineering.

All these numbers are just to get your hands on a translator and a HD channel to feed it. You also have to factor in studios, tower rent, bills, license fees, etc etc etc. Be prepared to dish out between $12-$15k a month in a market like Corpus Christi or $15-$20K a month in Austin. You can count San Antonio out if those numbers seem expensive to you.

There are a lot of Christian groups that try to get into the radio game thinking it will be financially beneficial in supporting their ministries but they quickly realize that almost all of the money that comes in goes right straight back out to the operations and expenses of the station. In fact, many Christian broadcasters have to rely on other aspects of their ministry such as their churches and congregations to help offset and support their broadcasting venture. If you are wanting to get into broadcasting to reach out to others with your ministry and use the airwaves as a tool for your ministry then it's all worth it in the end. If you are looking at getting into broadcasting to make money for your ministry then let me save you a lot of time and hassles by telling you it won't happen. This is why there is a huge turnover and you see ministries come and go in the radio game. They quickly realize how expensive this is and realize money is slow to come in and they can't pay their LMA's or bills and have to turn the stations back over or sell. There are only a handful of Christian broadcasters and even less Spanish Christian broadcasters that can say they have been doing this for 10 to 20 years or more.
 
Mediafrog+ said:
What is the status of KTXW 1120, supposedly under construction? Apparently it will be a brokered time programming model. Might check into that.

Thanks for the info, I'll see if I can get in contact with Bustos Media on that. It seems interesting just got to see what time frame they have

Infamous said:
tsaldana3 said:
We're a local radio and tv ministry/group in Austin.

We were involved with KNLE 88.1 for a while back in 06, and are currently involved with KELG 1440am.

Does anybody have any info on what stations in the Austin or San Antonio area are currently leasing/brokering air time? Or any translators that might be available to lease, like BMP is currently doing with 97.1 and 106.5 Keilah?

Any GM's from a station on the board that would like to help me get some info?


Thanks.


Depends on your budget. Any station can basically be bought or even LMA'd if the price is right. Be expecting to dish out major cash in a market like San Antonio. Even the crappy translators in San Antonio owned by the Radio Ola people are bringing in $15K a month and that's before all the other expenses tower rent, utilities, engineering, etc. The translator on 102.3 in San Antonio is currently going for $20K a month ($30K with the AM in Boerne) That's all before the expenses of the actual originating station of the translator.

In a smaller market like Austin or Corpus Christi you can lease a translator for about $3-$5k a month but you have to also factor in the cost of originating it. You will have to find another station that has an extra HD channel they are not using to originate the programming for the translator. (Legally a translator can't originate it's own separate programming) If you can find a broadcaster willing to lease out one of their HD channels in Austin or Corpus Christi you are looking at another $5-$8K a month (depending on what city and who the owner is). I mention HD channels to feed translators because that's about the easiest and cheapest way to get it done. You could feed it with an AM if it fits inside the service contour properly but you are going to pay a lot more a month for an AM station on a lease then secondary HD channel. Not to mention all the maintenance cost that also go into an AM tower site and most leases require you to maintain or reimburse the owner for such fees and engineering.

All these numbers are just to get your hands on a translator and a HD channel to feed it. You also have to factor in studios, tower rent, bills, license fees, etc etc etc. Be prepared to dish out between $12-$15k a month in a market like Corpus Christi or $15-$20K a month in Austin. You can count San Antonio out if those numbers seem expensive to you.

There are a lot of Christian groups that try to get into the radio game thinking it will be financially beneficial in supporting their ministries but they quickly realize that almost all of the money that comes in goes right straight back out to the operations and expenses of the station. In fact, many Christian broadcasters have to rely on other aspects of their ministry such as their churches and congregations to help offset and support their broadcasting venture. If you are wanting to get into broadcasting to reach out to others with your ministry and use the airwaves as a tool for your ministry then it's all worth it in the end. If you are looking at getting into broadcasting to make money for your ministry then let me save you a lot of time and hassles by telling you it won't happen. This is why there is a huge turnover and you see ministries come and go in the radio game. They quickly realize how expensive this is and realize money is slow to come in and they can't pay their LMA's or bills and have to turn the stations back over or sell. There are only a handful of Christian broadcasters and even less Spanish Christian broadcasters that can say they have been doing this for 10 to 20 years or more.
on it.

Yeah, I have an idea on the hardships on "religious" radio. It's hard, expenisve, but worth it. We've seen how the market is during this past year in our time at KELG 1440 AM. UP and Down Up and DOWN.

We feel that we are ready to start up our own station, being aware of everything... Costs, technicalities etc...

We already have leased offices where the studios can be at. Equipment also. We also know a couple of engineers due to also being involved over at KFIT 1060 AM for a while. I spoke recently with Bob Proud of BMP on leasing a translator. He told me they have an HD Channel available ($5K). Beyond that I don't know who I can contact or talk with on leasing a translator as he told me none were available in Austin and the area.

We are looking at a budget of $10K - 14K / month excluding rental facilities.
 
To be honest, you should look into an exclusively online station. It is much cheaper and does not have a limited range like a traditional FM.

Newer vehicles already have the capability to play online stations and smartphone applications make it as easy as ever to stream. A year from now, there will be an explosion of online stations because its a lot cheaper, and much more accessible.
 
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Depends on your budget. Any station can basically be bought or even LMA'd if the price is right. Be expecting to dish out major cash in a market like San Antonio. Even the crappy translators in San Antonio owned by the Radio Ola people are bringing in $15K a month and that's before all the other expenses tower rent, utilities, engineering, etc. The translator on 102.3 in San Antonio is currently going for $20K a month ($30K with the AM in Boerne) That's all before the expenses of the actual originating station of the translator.

In a smaller market like Austin or Corpus Christi you can lease a translator for about $3-$5k a month but you have to also factor in the cost of originating it. You will have to find another station that has an extra HD channel they are not using to originate the programming for the translator. (Legally a translator can't originate it's own separate programming) If you can find a broadcaster willing to lease out one of their HD channels in Austin or Corpus Christi you are looking at another $5-$8K a month (depending on what city and who the owner is). I mention HD channels to feed translators because that's about the easiest and cheapest way to get it done. You could feed it with an AM if it fits inside the service contour properly but you are going to pay a lot more a month for an AM station on a lease then secondary HD channel. Not to mention all the maintenance cost that also go into an AM tower site and most leases require you to maintain or reimburse the owner for such fees and engineering.

All these numbers are just to get your hands on a translator and a HD channel to feed it. You also have to factor in studios, tower rent, bills, license fees, etc etc etc. Be prepared to dish out between $12-$15k a month in a market like Corpus Christi or $15-$20K a month in Austin. You can count San Antonio out if those numbers seem expensive to you.

There are a lot of Christian groups that try to get into the radio game thinking it will be financially beneficial in supporting their ministries but they quickly realize that almost all of the money that comes in goes right straight back out to the operations and expenses of the station. In fact, many Christian broadcasters have to rely on other aspects of their ministry such as their churches and congregations to help offset and support their broadcasting venture. If you are wanting to get into broadcasting to reach out to others with your ministry and use the airwaves as a tool for your ministry then it's all worth it in the end. If you are looking at getting into broadcasting to make money for your ministry then let me save you a lot of time and hassles by telling you it won't happen. This is why there is a huge turnover and you see ministries come and go in the radio game. They quickly realize how expensive this is and realize money is slow to come in and they can't pay their LMA's or bills and have to turn the stations back over or sell. There are only a handful of Christian broadcasters and even less Spanish Christian broadcasters that can say they have been doing this for 10 to 20 years or more.
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I was reading this and I found it interesting....

The translator 102.3(really 100Watts?) in San Antonio is rebroadcasting something(supposedly 1500 AM), but 1500 AM is never on the air... with a signal. I listen in for the Mexican news they have... Good stuff.

What a deal for whomever owns that translator, they dont have to have an office nor pay regulatory fee's but act as full service. I guess unless the FCC finds them.

RadioHead
 
One of the newer arrivals in the San Antonio market is KQQB 1520. They lease time and although I do not know anything about their operation, they might be a likely candidate. There should be several AMs out there that would lease.

A nice deposit is a good way to get the best rate. The biggest fear of such stations is if you don't make it, how long will the station go with zero billing before another qualified candidate shows up. It's not like you can prospect for a new client. A good deposit says you are likely well funded and understand radio.

Being understanding is another good stance. We'd have one little problem and the client is calling saying they lost a client or wanted a full credit. Realize a station might not be at 100% when an issue pops up, even though it is rare, and they want it fixed more than you do. By being understanding you'll find the station might really want to help you if things get tough. I have such a great client at the station I manage, I'd fight hard to keep them if they fell into a rough patch.
 
Radiohead123 said:
The translator 102.3(really 100Watts?) in San Antonio is rebroadcasting something(supposedly 1500 AM), but 1500 AM is never on the air... with a signal. I listen in for the Mexican news they have... Good stuff.

What a deal for whomever owns that translator, they dont have to have an office nor pay regulatory fee's but act as full service. I guess unless the FCC finds them.

Why not just call it a "pirate station" and not a translator? That's what it is, if 1500 really is off the air. Same with the other Spanish translators E.G. 105.9, which, IMO, interferes with the 105.7 translator on the Northwest side of town.

I bet CC are gonna be happy when they find out 105.9 is operated illegally. //sarcasm
 
bturner said:
One of the newer arrivals in the San Antonio market is KQQB 1520. They lease time and although I do not know anything about their operation, they might be a likely candidate. There should be several AMs out there that would lease.

KQQB would not work for K272EK. The rules state the translator's 60dbu signal contour must fall entirely within both the AM station's 2 mV/m contour and a 40km (25 mile) radius of the AM transmitter.

As you can see in the contour map below K272EK's 60dbu contour exceeds the the 2 MV contour of KQQB.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2n0z10.jpg
 
I think they were just looking for a station to lease but this is an essential piece of the puzzle. If the plan would include a translator then KQQB would not be a wise choice. I mentioned them since they're pretty new and might be open to leasing most of all of their airtime
 
bturner said:
I think they were just looking for a station to lease but this is an essential piece of the puzzle. If the plan would include a translator then KQQB would not be a wise choice. I mentioned them since they're pretty new and might be open to leasing most of all of their airtime

KQQB has been a dead carrier for at least a week, maybe more. Perhaps they have nothing to do with it?
 
DominiqueRadio said:
To be honest, you should look into an exclusively online station. It is much cheaper and does not have a limited range like a traditional FM.

Newer vehicles already have the capability to play online stations and smartphone applications make it as easy as ever to stream. A year from now, there will be an explosion of online stations because its a lot cheaper, and much more accessible.

The online thing is a good idea. There are also some stations that simulcast their online stations (or radio stations) on digital subchannels on full-power and low-power TV stations, and you can program the station locally for that market on the channel that you decided to lease out. And it's also good for those who don't have access to the internet and where they check out your station for free on TV via the subchannel. That's something you might look into as well
 
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