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Geez, I thought DavidEduardo and zumahansnews94 agreed months ago
to keep their flaming wars on the El-Lay board! ;D
 
zumahans said:
D-E just cannot understand that his experiences on another continent three decades ago are totally irrelevant, as is his rather charming and innocent assumption that gringo is not an insult.

Gringo, when used by native spanish speakers in both Alta and Baja California, is deeply offensive to me, and to many others. Take a poll and you would see that the dictionaries are correct: gringo is a nasty, perjorative word.

I have heard it used as a perjorative in Spanish by persons here in Los Angeles who have no idea I can hear and undertsand them and their intentional use as a slur.

But out on Planet David Eduardo de los Angeles de Nuestro Porniculo de Zapatos Limpios, it is not an epithet. That is his world, and how dare we challenge him when he knows so much better than the rest of us?
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Around our office in LA... or the one in San Diego... or the one in Phoenix... and so on...

... the term is often used to describe Americans who are not Hispanic and not Black. What Arbitron calls "others" and what there is no simple term for in SPanish. We can't call them "Americans" as everyone from North and South America is an American to Latinos. So, the simple word is "gringo." It is not offensive unless the context is offensive.

"American" is not offensive to you, is it? But were I to call you an "ugly American" as in the 20th Century novel, you might be offended. The noun is not offensive. The noun, when modified by an adjective, is. Ain't language wunnerful?

While some non-speakers of Spanish may think the term gringo is offensive, in most cases, when used in Spanish by a native speaker, it is descriptive, not offensive. Sort of like saying that a person is a Newenglander or a Southerner. No offense. But a New England carpetbagger, in the South, wuld have been offensive a hundred and so years ago. In other words, it is about context.

Since it is reasonably certain that you don't undersatand much Spanish beyond that needed to order at Taco Bell, your opinion is pretty much disqualified. The term, as used today in the Southwest, is only offensive if in offensive context... such as, I imagine, when any Hispnaic meets you for the first time.
 
You imagine incorrectly. I spent my first years working in Ambos Nogales and my spanish appears to be better than your english.

You view anyone who challenges you as a racist. What does that say about YOU, David?
 
zumahans said:
You imagine incorrectly. I spent my first years working in Ambos Nogales and my spanish appears to be better than your english.

You view anyone who challenges you as a racist. What does that say about YOU, David?
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No, I view you as a racist and a bigot. You took a simple play on words (obviously you don't know enough Spanish to figure out Josh and I were talking about a person whose name is "Rios") as evidence of a racial epithet.

¿Qué onda, güey? Si tanto sabes del idioma de Cervantes, ¿por qué no nos deleitas con alguna disertación sobre las diferencias entre los dos Nogales? O, ¿prefieres, qizás, escribir unas palabras ofensivas sobre el Himno Nacional de la República de México como hiciste en el foro de Los Ángeles? O, ¿preguntar, como tambén hiciste allá, sobre si tocamos el himno de México en las radios hispanias de los EE. UU?

My English does not have to be very good. I don't use it all that much, and haven't since my first years in school. Anyway, it is a strange langauge, like, no rules, man. It has words, ese, that don't make no sense, man. Like, if two of them mouses are mice, then how come a couple of them blouse things at the Wal Mart ain't called blice? Man, like it has no sense. This vato like the Spanish a lot better, 'cause it be straight, man.
 
Just because you didn't get my joke - I'm a racist?

Of course I knew from the top about your silly little joke. You're too wrapped up in self importance to see that you were just played like a cheap accordion.

Rios = rivers? Duh, no sheet.

I took your play on words and played you for a fool. Only an idiot would fall for a trap like the one I sprung on you.

Palabras ofensivas sobre el Himno Nacional?

Excuse me, I called it the Mexican Battle Cry (a common name for it), and then printed its lyrics verbatim translated from a site I found on the web.

Quoting the national anthem is using offensive words? In what parallel universe? Oh yeah, the world of David Eduardo, el Gran Porniculio de Los Angeles.

Cry me a river.

You just made an ass out of yourself, and probably can't understand why people are laughing.

Du kannst my arsch lechen.
 
Wasn't this the original topic of this thread? Where did we go wrong? Can't we all just get along?!? ???

P2AC2 said:
Sources say "Ruben S" hit afternoons (solo) 2-6pm on 95.1 Latino Vibe Monday August 21st... also "MG's Morning Madhouse" hits the airwaves really soon! :eek:
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zumahans said:
Palabras ofensivas sobre el Himno Nacional?

Excuse me, I called it the Mexican Battle Cry (a common name for it), and then printed its lyrics verbatim translated from a site I found on the web.

Quoting the national anthem is using offensive words? In what parallel universe? Oh yeah, the world of David Eduardo, el Gran Porniculio de Los Angeles.
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Your spanish bites. I referred to the comments you maid in another forum, where you siad a town band playing the Mexican anthem was a source of laughter to you, as did the lyrics... and where you made other snide remarks about Mexican history and national symbols that, as I said there, portray you as a misanthrope and a cynic.

I woulde not kiss or touch any part of you, in German or in Quechua.
 
Around our office in LA... or the one in San Diego... or the one in Phoenix... and so on...

... the term is often used to describe Americans who are not Hispanic and not Black. What Arbitron calls "others" and what there is no simple term for in SPanish. We can't call them "Americans" as everyone from North and South America is an American to Latinos. So, the simple word is "gringo." It is not offensive unless the context is offensive.

"American" is not offensive to you, is it? But were I to call you an "ugly American" as in the 20th Century novel, you might be offended. The noun is not offensive. The noun, when modified by an adjective, is. Ain't language wunnerful?

While some non-speakers of Spanish may think the term gringo is offensive, in most cases, when used in Spanish by a native speaker, it is descriptive, not offensive. Sort of like saying that a person is a Newenglander or a Southerner. No offense. But a New England carpetbagger, in the South, wuld have been offensive a hundred and so years ago. In other words, it is about context.

Since it is reasonably certain that you don't undersatand much Spanish beyond that needed to order at Taco Bell, your opinion is pretty much disqualified. The term, as used today in the Southwest, is only offensive if in offensive context... such as, I imagine, when any Hispnaic meets you for the first time.
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David -

I have NEVER heard the word "Gringo" used in a positive light, and I've heard it ALOT. I live in Tucson.

Secondly, if citizens from Mexico prefer to NOT be called Mexicans, or Hispanics, but Latinos, why is it so hard to believe that American's from the United States of AMERICA prefer to be called Americans, not gringos? Sounds like a double standard to me.
 
DavidEduardo said:
The fact is that online dictionaries, for the most part, are worth every cent you pay for them.

The Oxford Smerican Dictionary, considered by many the most authoritative and researched of them all, does not show it as an insult except _in context_.

Since the word is Spanish (as in, from Spain), its use in Portuguese is not something I can comment on as I don't speak very good Portuguese. I will ask my daughter, who did several years of shcool in that language.

If you are offended by the term, you might consider this a learning experience. It is not offensive, and some friends call me by that name, too.
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Dave,

The word gringo does not offend me. I merely pointed out that the word is deemed as offensive by many.

As for the use of the word by the Brasilians, they used it in a derogatory way when describing American tourists…especially those who arrived with Spanish/English dictionaries. ;D

KOHS
 
2Son said:
I have NEVER heard the word "Gringo" used in a positive light, and I've heard it ALOT. I live in Tucson.

Secondly, if citizens from Mexico prefer to NOT be called Mexicans, or Hispanics, but Latinos, why is it so hard to believe that American's from the United States of AMERICA prefer to be called Americans, not gringos? Sounds like a double standard to me.
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Mexicans generally prefer to be called Mexicans or Mexican Americans, depending on where they are and what their migratory status is.

Many, if not most, "Hispanics" don't especially like the term. It is not used much in Latin America, as it is a US invention to satisfy the Census Bureau's mandate to provide data on a group that was included in the EEOC and civil rights legislation of the 70's. Latino is amore ocmmon term, but it includes Brazilians, who do not speak Spanish.

Unless a person wants to identify with their national heritage, Latino is vastly preferred over "Hispanic."

I once asked my daughters if they considered themsleves Latinas or Hispanic, and both emphatically said they were neither and that they were Puerto Rican.

There is a T-shirt that you see occasionally that sais, "I am not Latino. I am not Hispanic. I am Mexican."

Since, in Spanish at least, an "American" is NOT a person from the US, but one from North or South America, there is a tendency t use gringo to define Americans and their cousins, the Canadians.

And I hear the term gringo used daily to distinguish, for example, between those who will answer the phine in English and not Spanish... "Speak Ennglish.... the guy is a gringo:" makes sure you use the right langauge.
 
A cogent explanation, and worthy of our consideration.

Perhaps you may want to do a Google search on "gringo offensive" and see how the G word is being received by your countrymen.
 
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