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INTERFERENCE GENERATORS - LET'S FIX 'EM!

Savage said:
HYPOCRISY ALERT! HYPOCRISY ALERT! ...Well, as I said first in this thread: "If there's any hypocrisy going on, this should smoke it out." I don't know about you guys but my "smoke detector" is screaming.

...And so is mine [particularly this morning], Bob! So I’m to understand that there IS a difference between “community of license” and “market”. That’s fairly simple to comprehend, BUT – I thought the FCC rarely [if ever] concerned itself with a licensee’s self-definition OF, or aspirations FOR, “a market” on a map—in fact, I’ve always been told by competent legal counsel the latter didn’t count in technical matters before the Commission. Example: required FULLTIME coverage OF and studio location IN the COL.

It appears there are MULTIPLE scenarios of corporate radio “having it BOTH ways” in regard to recent matters before the Regulators. On one hand, “Largess Radio” routinely cites their concept of, and need for, “the market”—and attaches THEIR self-interest regarding such on the road to self-gratification. The COL is little-more than some pesky and passé political term left-over from those nasty years of regulation... It is STILL a matter of official FCC policy, but: “WE don’t have to pay attention to it if gets in the way of OUR goals!” ...At least NOT until that inconvenient little term juxtaposes itself into an event where it becomes advantageous for corporate radio to recruit and make use of it – THEN “relevance” makes a surprising refrain!

EXAMPLE: ‘Like leaving behind ONLY a tiny 250-watt-day/FIVE-WATT-NIGHT high-dial-position AM station as a “creative” yet acceptable qualification for “fulltime LOCAL service FOR the COL” in a city of 17,000 [and seat of County government] when large corporate radio RAIDED that city’s ONLY FM assignment [of SIXTY YEARS] and moved it SIXTY MILES to provide FIRST LOCAL SERVICE to “the non-urbanized and underserved COL” of Norwood, Ohio! BTW, Norwood is boundary-encapsulated on ALL FOUR SIDES by Cincinnati... Norwood is about as “non-urbanized” as a rapper’s wardrobe, and as “under-served” as a Vegas high-roller in a comp’d suite on a much-needed stress-release from the gaming floor! The “modified” and downgraded 100.3 facility transmits FROM and its operation originates WITHIN the political boundaries of Cincinnati – and THE ONLY interest served by this moral and regulatory outrage is to “top-off the cluster” of a prominent corporate broadcaster with a “history of accommodation” at the FCC!

Like nighttime IBOC on AM, FEW predicted the Commission would permit this to happen – based on their historical priorities and technical prudence – BUT IT DID! ...And were the Regulators merely off on another coffee-break or have they become “CORPORATELY disposed” in actions statutorily-mandated to meet the PUBLIC INTEREST?

I just received an Email from “a seasoned, savvy, and successful hand” at technical matters before the FCC – and he assures me that 5kw, given an easily-attained redirection of the WBZ antenna array, WOULD FULLY-COVER the political limits of their Boston COL at night. You are righteous in your pursuit of fair play Mr. Savage... WBZ SHOULD NOT have it BOTH ways!
 
hipporadio said:
I just received an Email from “a seasoned, savvy, and successful hand” at technical matters before the FCC – and he assures me that 5kw, given an easily-attained redirection of the WBZ antenna array, WOULD FULLY-COVER the political limits of their Boston COL at night. You are righteous in your pursuit of fair play Mr. Savage... WBZ SHOULD NOT have it BOTH ways!

You need a signal of 8 to 10 mV/m minimum to get in home and at work listening in a market like Boston. 5 kw is not going to do it. The 50 they have is a bare minimum, in fact.
 
As I recall in my previous post...

hipporadio said:
COVER the political limits of their Boston COL at night.

COL = ”City of License” and minimum signal [in mV] as specified by the FCC to constitute “city grade coverage” requirements—NOT some “new age” 10mV threshold needed to meet the front-end behavior of some poorly-chosen throw-away close-out from the isles at Dollar General! I can find NO REFERENCE in the FCC Rules that specifies a minimum city grade signal PLUS additional mVs to overcome a concrete wall, burglar alarm, or aquarium heater [when local service is defined]. If your patio light dimmer is a problem; call the FCC and insist they enforce their standing Part 15 rules. Start getting used to “antennas” also – you’ll need one for HD anyway!

If CBS wishes to “light-up” THREE-to-FIVE AM channels with iBiquity digital excitement – drop to FIVE-THOUSAND-WATTS after sunset and serve the confines [and then some] of WBZ’s CITY OF LICENSE—BOSTON...

NOT Provincetown eastward on the Cape...
NOT Worcester, Fitchburg, Amherst to the west...
NOT Haverhill, Gloucester, or some New Hampshire ski haven to the north...
NOT Plymouth, Nantucket, or the Kennedy Compound to the south

IF you’d rather have a BIG FAT regional and protected skywave signal – keep it at 50k but drop those saddlebags, and STAY IN ANALOG... Broadcaster’s Choice of either – but NOT both!
 
You need a signal of 8 to 10 mV/m minimum to get in home and at work listening in a market like Boston. 5 kw is not going to do it. The 50 they have is a bare minimum, in fact.
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Mr. Eduardo keeps referring to the "market", not COL. I think he completely missed the point of the last few posts.
 
wkbam1690 said:
You need a signal of 8 to 10 mV/m minimum to get in home and at work listening in a market like Boston. 5 kw is not going to do it. The 50 they have is a bare minimum, in fact.

Mr. Eduardo keeps referring to the "market", not COL. I think he completely missed the point of the last few posts.

The fact is that the FCC has had both an engineering criterion and a programming criterion for stations. And there have been changes in the engineering part over the years.

In the engineering part, the "service" in "service area" has to do with signal strength, not running PSAs or news shows. In programming, "service" has to do with the content and focus of programming.

Since the FCC invented the concept of surveying "community leaders" and ascertaining the needs of the community over four decades ago, renewal applications and new applications had to include a survey of community leaders, and that included people NOT just from the city of licence, but the entire area that was the community surrounding or adjacent to the city of license. The NAB and legal counsel guidelines were to look for the leaders within the 5 mv signal of an AM and the 60 dbu of an FM.

Thus, a station licensed to Scottsdale, AZ would definitely ascertain in POhoenix and Glendale and Mesa, etc. Thr FCC never mandated service exclusively to the city of license, just its inclusion in the overall service. Focusing on just the COL is not what the FCC ever intended, programming wise... service is to be rendered in the (groundwave) local coverage area and the exact definiton of the community vs. the coverage is left very much up to the station.

The FCC understands that residents of a community may work in one town or city and live in another and sho´p in yet another and participate in activities like sports or copntinuing education in still another and go to a hospital in yet another and fly out of an airport in even one more town or jurisdiction. That is why they demanded and still require to an extent an ascertainment of community needs, not just those of the COL.

The FCC understands that some "markets" or communities are an interlocking set of perhpas 100 or more incorporated cities and townships and municipalities that, together, make up the community. Service to a single COL does not meet the requirements to serve the community. The COL criteria is simply one of putting a minimal signal over the area the station broadcasts from, and has nothing to do with the definition of "commuinty" for ascertainment of community needs.
 
Wouldn't worry about it too much David. This BS, like most of the BS proposed here is about as likely as me getting a date with Gisele Bündchen.

I'm sure the Commission will get right on it, right after they force all the dimmer companies to revise their designs.
 
B.S.... Aren’t those the initials of a certain CEO at a certain broadcast technology company that has “inspired” this board?

George Brusstar: “IF there were HD AM radios in heaven – ALL they would pick-up is hash!” ...Commentary from last evening’s Radio Racket.

THANKS GEORGE! ...And YES, credit goes to YOUR inspiration for this “throttle-down your power at night IF you insist on the occupation of 3-5 AM channels in IBOC” thread! Sorry—no royalties, though – we aren’t set-up like iBiquity here ::)

The COL criteria is simply one of putting a minimal signal over the area the station broadcasts from...

EXACTLY THE POINT of this post! ...And 5kw [possibly 7.3 or even 10kw] is adequate to meet your so-called “criterian” for service required to meet the local signal strength minimum [5mV—NOT 8, 10, or 12] that constitutes LOCAL SERVICE of the COL! YES—the C.O.L. WBZ and its corporate radio brethren running a nighttime interference generator for little-else than their own narrow self-interest CANNOT have it BOTH WAYS!
 
Radioman100 said:
Wouldn't worry about it too much David. This BS, like most of the BS proposed here is about as likely as me getting a date with Gisele Bündchen.

I'm sure the Commission will get right on it, right after they force all the dimmer companies to revise their designs.

They don't have to force anyone to redesign anything. They can simply slap a ban on sale and import.
Go sell your crap someplace where they don't care. We have some standards here to be complied with.
Don't like it? Too bad. Fix it or you can't sell it here.

Is there a legal means to "help" the FCC step up and accept the responsibility THEY themselves originated?
Or some legal means to require them to "unwrite" provisions they no longer care enough to enforce?
Is there a legal means to find the FCC derelict in their duties?
Maybe THEY need a Notice of Apparent Liability. How is this different from corrupt police turning a blind eye toward some crimes?
 
Tom Wells said:
They don't have to force anyone to redesign anything. They can simply slap a ban on sale and import.
Go sell your crap someplace where they don't care. We have some standards here to be complied with.
Don't like it? Too bad. Fix it or you can't sell it here.

Is there a legal means to "help" the FCC step up and accept the responsibility THEY themselves originated?
Or some legal means to require them to "unwrite" provisions they no longer care enough to enforce?
Is there a legal means to find the FCC derelict in their duties?
Maybe THEY need a Notice of Apparent Liability. How is this different from corrupt police turning a blind eye toward some crimes?

Ain't gonna happen, though this is an amusing look into the anti-HD mindset.

The dozen or so of you guys that there are seem to think you can change the world. Here's a news flash: Unless you can get elected to Congress, you can't, and you'd never get elected on an anti-HD, anti-electrical interference platform anyway. If you really want to screw with the FCC and you ran as an ultra right-wing censorship nut, you might stand a chance.

You seem to think you're going to FORCE the FCC to do things. I've got news for you. We have the best government money can buy. Clearly, iBiquity and the major radio companies that back them have money. Leviton and all the other companies that make those noisy dimmers have cash too.

Unless it's a public file problem, an EAS problem or a nipple slip the Commission simply doesn't care.

I will toss you guys a bone though. If you really hate HD Radio that much, go buy an HD Radio and an EAS decoder. Tune the radio to HD2 channels for a week at a time. I bet the number of HD2 and HD3 channels you find that are actually running their RWTs and RMTs is surprisingly low. Wanna screw with a station for supporting HD Radio? That's the only way you're going to do it, because that's one of the few things the Commission actually cares about.
 
Reality cheque for "a selected poster here:" The demise of IBOC-AM is a virtual certainty as compared with the likelihood of your getting a date with Gisele Bundchen. But take heart! I can put in a good word for you with Rosie O'Donnell, Janeane Garofalo, Louise Slaughter....any one of these babe-riffic cuties would LOVE to snuggle up for a crisp fall evening of oscilloscope-gazing with you.

Actually, now that I mention it: the demise of IBOC-AM is a virtual certainty, period. And notwithstanding the death notices tiresomely chanted by detractors here, the likelihood is that AM radio as a viable medium will long outlast the HD-AM "cure" endlessly and futilely touted to "save" it.
 
Savage said:
Reality cheque for "a selected poster here:" The demise of IBOC-AM is a virtual certainty as compared with the likelihood of your getting a date with Gisele Bundchen. But take heart! I can put in a good word for you with Rosie O'Donnell, Janeane Garofalo, Louise Slaughter....any one of these babe-riffic cuties would LOVE to snuggle up for a crisp fall evening of oscilloscope-gazing with you.

Actually, now that I mention it: the demise of IBOC-AM is a virtual certainty, period. And notwithstanding the death notices tiresomely chanted by detractors here, the likelihood is that AM radio as a viable medium will long outlast the HD-AM "cure" endlessly and futilely touted to "save" it.

Rosie O'Donnell? No thanks! If that's your thing, more power to ya.

Personally, I could care less about AM IBOC. I don't think it performs nearly as badly as the detractors here seem to think, but I also really don't see the point. AM radio is almost exclusively an outlet for talk programming these days and I don't see that changing, IBOC or not. The telephone quality audio most AM radios provide seems to work well enough if you have the right talk talent. That said, the difference when listening to AM IBOC vs. a typical car radio is impressive.

As HD Radios become standard equipment in new cars mostly for their FM benefits, more AM stations will probably consider adding it to make them stand out on the dial. 15k audio kinda smacks you in the ear and draws you in when you're switching between stations received with 3-4k fidelity, even with talk programming.

That's the way I see AM IBOC growing. As the radios become more prevalent because of FM IBOC, AM stations not broadcasting in HD will be compelled to adopt it or end up with 3rd class audio status opposed to their current 2nd class status.
 
Quotes (without comment by yours truly) from Radioman:

"As HD radios become standard equipment in new cars....AM stations will probably consider adding it..."

"I say, go get 'em cowboy. Let us know how it goes!"
 
Savage said:
Quotes (without comment by yours truly) from Radioman:

"As HD radios become standard equipment in new cars....AM stations will probably consider adding it..."

"I say, go get 'em cowboy. Let us know how it goes!"

You put two totally unrelated quotes discussing two totally unrelated topics together. The former is how I see AM HD becoming more widespread, the latter my response to another poster threatening to complain to the Commission about interference from dimmers.

No comment from you? I'd say this speaks volumes about your ability to intelligently counter in the argument at hand.
 
Okay, Radioman. I've checked the TOS here and I an unable to discover any limitations on the use of quotes, but since you seem to feel ill-used, let me revise the post as a nod to your sensitivities:

Ah-ONE, and ah-TWO, and ah...

Radioman posted:

"As HD radios become standard equipment in new cars....AM stations will probably consider adding it...."

And as he himself said on an earlier occasion (for those who bother to keep track, other than Radioman):

"I say go get 'em cowboy. Let us know how it goes!"

There. Happier now?
 
Savage said:
Okay, Radioman. I've checked the TOS here and I an unable to discover any limitations on the use of quotes, but since you seem to feel ill-used, let me revise the post as a nod to your sensitivities:

Ah-ONE, and ah-TWO, and ah...

Radioman posted:

"As HD radios become standard equipment in new cars....AM stations will probably consider adding it...."

And as he himself said on an earlier occasion (for those who bother to keep track, other than Radioman):

"I say go get 'em cowboy. Let us know how it goes!"

There. Happier now?

They're still two totally unrelated quotes taken out of context. One does not correlate at all to the other.
 
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