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International imports on cable

It's come up a bit in the one thread where we mentioned CBC coverage as far in as Toledo, but what about international OTA stations across the border in general (excluding TV border blasters like XETV or XHAS)?

Mexico makes for an interesting start.

Time Warner in El Centro and Yuma is fairly similar, but there's some difference. XHILA/66.x Mexicali has cable channel 14 in both cities, while a repeater of Canal de las Estrellas occupies channel 18 (XHLRT/44 San Luis del Rio Colorado in Yuma, XHBM/14 Mexicali in El Centro). El Centro viewers also get Televisa independent XHBC. There are massive omissions of Televisa's other networks and both TV Azteca stations, as well as Telemax, the Sonora state network (which is on 50 in SLRC, 10 kW).

I also thought to look at Nogales, where the cable provider is Mediacom. Both Azteca networks are represented (with the listing showing XHCAN/4 Cananea as the Azteca 7 source but XHFA/2 is spurned for the national Azteca 13 feed), as is XEW (local repeater XHNOS-50). Missing again are Televisa's other networks and Telemax, which somehow has not a single repeater in Nogales proper even though Sonora's state network has the most transmitters of any of Mexico's state networks (many of them at ridiculously low powers in very small communities!). XHNSS, which is comparatively an independent (affiliated with tiny cadenatres but heavy on the local news), is also carried.

It's really unusual that two of Televisa's three national networks don't have any American cable coverage in these border markets, and even more baffling that neither Azteca station is carried on cable in the Imperial Valley. (Potential viewers of these stations would need an antenna.)
 
I think XEWT (Televisa regional) gets cable carriage in San Diego.

Charter carries CBMT via satellite in the Upper Peninsula and in the northeastern Lower Peninsula (as far south as Alma). The strange thing is that Gaylord, Cheboygan, Petoskey, and Mackinaw City don't get CBMT, but Rogers City, Grayling, and the 127 corridor down to Alma do.

CKPR gets cable carriage in northeastern Minnesota and the northern Keweenaw Peninsula (on non-Charter systems).

I think CBET has more cable carriage on the American side than WWJ (Detroit's CBS affiliate)! CBET is carried as far east in Ohio as Sandusky.

CBLT and CFTO are seen in the Buffalo area, while CBMT, CBFT, and CFCF are seen in the Burlington/Plattsburgh area.

CBUT gets carriage throughout the Seattle area. In general, it seems like most CBC affiliates get at least some cable carriage south of the border. CTV is a different case, with CHBX (from Soo Ontario) not being on the Charter cable system in Soo Michigan (the Americans are the opposite, with no cable carriage in Soo Ontario). However, CHBX IS carried in St. Ignace, which is also served by Charter.
 
Pero esto es Estados Unidos. Hablamos Inglés aquí. Y las compañías de cable estadounidenses no llevan a las estaciones de televisión de países extranjeros porque nuestros sistemas de cable no cruzan la frontera.
 
Canadian stations on US cable systems do make some sense, since Canadian TV is usually in English, albeit with "eh" scattered around willy-nilly, and certain vowels pronounced a little differently. You know what I'm talking aboot, eh?
 
Just compared Mexican border cities by cable carriage of Mexican stations. Asterisk means they are operated from the American side of the border.

San Diego, CA area [San Diego] (Cox): XETV* (cable 6), XEWT (cable 12), XHDTV* (cable 13), XHAS* (cable 20)
Calexico, CA [Yuma-El Centro] (Time Warner): XHILA (cable 14), XHBC (cable 16), XHBM (cable 18)
San Luis, AZ and Yuma, AZ [Yuma-El Centro] (Time Warner): XHILA (cable 14), XHLRT (cable 18)
Lukeville, AZ [Tucson]: No cable service
Nogales, AZ [Tucson] (Mediacom): XHNSS (cable 3), XHNOS (cable 7), XHNOA (cable 15), XHDF (cable 16)
Sierra Vista, AZ [Tucson] (Cox): None carried
Bisbee, AZ [Tucson] (Cable One): None carried
Douglas, AZ [Tucson] (Cox): None carried
Columbus, NM [El Paso]: No cable service
El Paso, TX [El Paso] (Time Warner): XHJCI (cable 17), XEPM (cable 99)
Fort Hancock, TX [El Paso]: No cable service
Presidio, TX [Odesssa-Midland] (Presidio CATV): XEW (cable 42)
Del Rio, TX [San Antonio] (Time Warner): XHAMC (cable 37)
Eagle Pass, TX [San Antonio] (Time Warner): XHPN (cable 3), XHPNT (cable 29), XHPNH (cable 30), XHPNG (cable 31)
Laredo, TX [Laredo] (Time Warner): XHBR (cable 14), XHNAT (cable 15), XHLNA (cable 98), XEFE (cable 99)
Zapata, TX [Laredo] (Time Warner): XHBR (cable 14), XHNAT (cable 15), XHLNA (cable 98), XEFE (cable 99)
Rio Grande Valley, TX [Rio Grande Valley] (Time Warner): XHAB (cable 7), XHOR (cable 11), XERV (cable 19)
Rio Grande Valley, TX [Rio Grande Valley] (VTX): XERV (cable 9)
 
CBUT-2 Vancouver can be seen as far as Westport, WA on channel 29 on Comcast cable. Those ocean beach viewers need their Canadian news, eh!
 
Windjammer Communications in Friday Harbor, WA carries CBUT, CHEK, CHAN, and CKVU.

Delta Cable in Point Roberts, WA carries CBUT, CHEK, CHAN, CKVU, and CBUFT.

Comcast in Bellingham, WA carries CBUT and CIVT.
 
Just compared Mexican border cities by cable carriage of Mexican stations. Asterisk means they are operated from the American side of the border.

San Diego, CA area [San Diego] (Cox): XETV* (cable 6), XEWT (cable 12), XHDTV* (cable 13), XHAS* (cable 20)
Calexico, CA [Yuma-El Centro] (Time Warner): XHILA (cable 14), XHBC (cable 16), XHBM (cable 18)
San Luis, AZ and Yuma, AZ [Yuma-El Centro] (Time Warner): XHILA (cable 14), XHLRT (cable 18)
Lukeville, AZ [Tucson]: No cable service
Nogales, AZ [Tucson] (Mediacom): XHNSS (cable 3), XHNOS (cable 7), XHNOA (cable 15), XHDF (cable 16)
Sierra Vista, AZ [Tucson] (Cox): None carried
Bisbee, AZ [Tucson] (Cable One): None carried
Douglas, AZ [Tucson] (Cox): None carried
Columbus, NM [El Paso]: No cable service
El Paso, TX [El Paso] (Time Warner): XHJCI (cable 17), XEPM (cable 99)
Fort Hancock, TX [El Paso]: No cable service
Presidio, TX [Odesssa-Midland] (Presidio CATV): XEW (cable 42)
Del Rio, TX [San Antonio] (Time Warner): XHAMC (cable 37)
Eagle Pass, TX [San Antonio] (Time Warner): XHPN (cable 3), XHPNT (cable 29), XHPNH (cable 30), XHPNG (cable 31)
Laredo, TX [Laredo] (Time Warner): XHBR (cable 14), XHNAT (cable 15), XHLNA (cable 98), XEFE (cable 99)
Zapata, TX [Laredo] (Time Warner): XHBR (cable 14), XHNAT (cable 15), XHLNA (cable 98), XEFE (cable 99)
Rio Grande Valley, TX [Rio Grande Valley] (Time Warner): XHAB (cable 7), XHOR (cable 11), XERV (cable 19)
Rio Grande Valley, TX [Rio Grande Valley] (VTX): XERV (cable 9)

In re Eagle Pass/Piedras Negras: Gotta love Mexican randomly-assigned "we're going to give you dozens of stations at once, so let's make the call letters close to others in the same community of license, nobody cares!" callsigns. That happened on a bunch of occasions. Earlier this year the Mexican telecom regulator, which is known as IFT, put up its Public Registry of Concessions, which is a boon for people that want to read old (as far back as the 60s) Mexican TV station concessions printed on typewriters and sometimes including callsigns that are typed like New York Times initials (e.g. X.E.W. T.V.) and/or ones that list dozens of stations (there's one that's got 90 in one concession and another that's a 62-in-1 - I found an error in the scanning of a concession that omitted a page containing info on 12 stations and am waiting to hear back from the IFT on the mistake). Sometimes you'll find a station that for whatever reason moved channels, typically because they wanted to put another VHF station on the air in the same city. [Examples: XHY Mérida, XHTM/XEQ Mexico City, XHFN Monterrey, XEDK Guadalajara. In order: Moved from 3 to 2 to add a 4; Moved from 8 to 9 and changed calls to add a 7, while also moving other stations; moved from 8 to 7 in the 90s, reason unknown; moved from 6 to 5, too much FM interference.]

It seems Time Warner Cable does the best job at it, though they also seem to have the most systems in these areas. They get additional plaudits for being the only one seemingly able to broadcast any Azteca repeaters. Here are the big misses in some of the other markets:

-El Paso: XHIJ-44. This is a big one because XHIJ at one point was the Telemundo affiliate in the market. It is a sister station to XHILA and has a similar broadcast schedule and affiliation. There's a lot more missing, including Televisa-affiliated local independent XEJ, Azteca (XHCJE and XHCJH), and Televisa's Canal 5 (XHJUB).
-Del Rio: The border city is Cd. Acuna, Coah. Missing: XHCAW-58, which is a relay of a Televisa-affiliated independent in Saltillo, and XHCHW-64 (that's an exceptionally high channel number for Mexico, I believe it may actually be the highest left because XHSAW Sabinas Hidalgo-Monterrey moved to 38), which is a Televisa relay.
-Eagle Pass: There's a rare bird independent XHPNW-22 that's missing. (Yes, that's a lot of callsigns with W in them for Mexico; if it isn't in Coahuila, which kinda has a W sound in it, it probably got it from a radio station at some point in the line. There is also the occasional K; one station in Yucatán has a callsign XHKYU, though it's in the place name itself).
-Laredo/Zapata: Televisa independent XHLAR-57. Another "big miss" because this station, which was part of the monster 62-station concession that Televisa got in 1994 (originally given the callsign XHNUL), was one of two where they nabbed the Fox affiliation. Also, Televisa-affiliated independent XEFE-2 (which only managed to sign on a digital signal within the last year, far behind most other northern Mexican stations).
-Rio Grande Valley: And the other one of those Fox affiliates is missing: XHTAM-17, which was once XHFOX (originally XHRTA, another example of Mexican call sign ingenuity). To be fair it's a lot like XERV. Also missing: Azteca 13, which has two transmitters (XHMTA-12 Matamoros and XHREY-13 Reynosa). Another TV border blaster is XHRIO-2, which is MundoFox but once was straight up Fox, UPN (with the callsign XHHUPN), a local channel in Matamoros, a Telemundo affiliate and an English-language independent at various times.

While several border states don't have state networks (Nuevo León does, and it's one of the ones with a boatload of translators, but there's not enough border to really make it interesting), Sonora does, but XEWH out of Hermosillo is just straight up missing.
 
I don't know if they do in 2014, but I remember the cable system serving Saco and Old Orchard Beach, ME (Portland/Poland Spring DMA) carrying CKSH-TV channel 9 from Sherbrook, PQ back in 1989 and 1990.
 
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