Are internet and App streams aloud to Code yet? Will Arbitron be up to speed with this when it arrives?
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Internet listening through Automobile sound systems
- Thread starter Bob LaBlah
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If I were paying data charges on my mobile internet, I wouldn't be streaming local stations that I can hear on the radio for free. Like it wouldn't be practical to listen to WINS New York while fighting traffic in Dallas unless you are just listening for fun & not for information. Your dime.
Guessing the books would be a bit skewed if mobile web was included, since streaming isn't really a representation of the local market - since you can listen to stations in other markets over the web. Unless they could sort out the IP addresses of those listening somehow.
Guessing the books would be a bit skewed if mobile web was included, since streaming isn't really a representation of the local market - since you can listen to stations in other markets over the web. Unless they could sort out the IP addresses of those listening somehow.
"Are internet and App streams aloud to Code yet? Will Arbitron be up to speed with this when it arrives?"
The short answer is Yes.
In Dallas, the major stations that stream, separately encode the stream and have since the launch of PPM in the market. In fact, KTCK "The Ticket" stream has reached the minimum threshold for reporting and shows up in the 6+ numbers the last time I checked.
The short answer is Yes.
In Dallas, the major stations that stream, separately encode the stream and have since the launch of PPM in the market. In fact, KTCK "The Ticket" stream has reached the minimum threshold for reporting and shows up in the 6+ numbers the last time I checked.
I generally agree with Lancer that streaming local stations in the car doesn't have much of a purpose. As he mentions, streaming eats into your data usage. It also isn't as reliable as an over-the-air signal in most situations nor does it sound as good. However, there are a few situations in which I will stream a local station over listening to its on-air signal:
(1) I want to use an app like Trapster that can run in the background. I like being able to hear Trapster in my speakers, and the only way to do that while listening to the radio is to run it in the background while streaming.
(2) I'm listening to a rimshot stick or an otherwise lower power station, and I'm likely to run out of its coverage.
(3) It's an HD multicast station. While I can plug my iTrip into my HD Radio adapter for my iPhone, I find internet audio much more reliable. The iTrip doesn't make for a good antenna for a variety of reasons.
(4) It's an AM station. I find internet audio to be much better in terms of both sound quality and reliability than AM.
(1) I want to use an app like Trapster that can run in the background. I like being able to hear Trapster in my speakers, and the only way to do that while listening to the radio is to run it in the background while streaming.
(2) I'm listening to a rimshot stick or an otherwise lower power station, and I'm likely to run out of its coverage.
(3) It's an HD multicast station. While I can plug my iTrip into my HD Radio adapter for my iPhone, I find internet audio much more reliable. The iTrip doesn't make for a good antenna for a variety of reasons.
(4) It's an AM station. I find internet audio to be much better in terms of both sound quality and reliability than AM.
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DFWiRadio
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Our station, DFWiRadio.com, can be accessed via the internet and in vehicles equipped with smart phone plug-ins. We are local to the DFW area, and are only on the internet. When our station is pulled up via cell phone and plugged into the vehicles sound system, there are very few audio interruptions. We program local talk, sports and music, and are growing our audience daily. So in that respect streaming "local" takes on a new meaning! It's amazing to see our listeners in countries around the world as well as all over the US.
DFWiRadio.com "Local Radio on a Global Scale"
Unlimited data plans are not affected by listening via smartphone...only the battery gets drained!
DFWiRadio.com "Local Radio on a Global Scale"
Unlimited data plans are not affected by listening via smartphone...only the battery gets drained!
DFWiRadio said:
Hence the "unlimited" part. Unfortunately, my smartphone data plan is limited. I have an iPhone and needed the ability to tether. The price for that was giving up unlimited data, just like every other legacy iPhone user that wants to tether.
Jay Walker said:
Only problem right now is ... Arbitron will only allow AM/FMs to encode... Internet Only broadcasts can't encode yet..
DFWiRadio said:
One quick correction:
There's really no such thing as an "unlimited data plan." All wireless providers have "fair use" clauses that permit them to cut you off, throttle you, and/or charge you extra when you exceed that fair use limit. If you're like me and have an AT&T unlimited plan, you're actually capped at 5 GB, and they will throttle the top 5% of unlimited users beginning in October. Verizon's old unlimited plans are capped at 3GB. T-Mobile, as far as I know, doesn't cap their unlimited plans, but they do throttle. I'm not sure what Sprint's cap is.
I've personally never exceeded the 5 GB cap AT&T's data plan, though I've gone over 3 GB once. I routinely go over 2 GB and will likely get throttled starting next month.
When an internet band becomes common on car radios like FM did many years ago, people won't be using it to stream local stations...Pandora is really going to hurt music stations---why listen to a station that plays some of your fave songs instead of one that ONLY plays songs you like?
@Kent: As of this time T-Mobile only throttles. AT&T is the worst for data. And it is my understanding they will charge more per MB if you go over the cap(?)
As to data. I have T-Mobile with 3g "unlimited" data. I can listen to my affiliates from the phone while driving. Also LBC London sounds like its right down the road. I'm moving down the freeways at 70 mph and no loss. But that is only a hand full of us. When Internet is fully in cars it will be a fight. The companies have issues with just phone data right now. Once you add all the cars in rush hour traffic that will REALLY bog down the system. They say that when this happens satellite radios are dead. Don't think so Bunky! Even Wi-Fi is having issues. Sprint is trying there damndest to dump Clearwire. And they all are having enough problems trying to deploy the next generations of wireless technology. They can't even afford the current upgrades! And they spend all that money and then all this other stuff comes on creating more congestion? I think there will be a major fight by the carriers to either prevent this on their systems. Or a MAJOR premium to use it.
-BGH
As to data. I have T-Mobile with 3g "unlimited" data. I can listen to my affiliates from the phone while driving. Also LBC London sounds like its right down the road. I'm moving down the freeways at 70 mph and no loss. But that is only a hand full of us. When Internet is fully in cars it will be a fight. The companies have issues with just phone data right now. Once you add all the cars in rush hour traffic that will REALLY bog down the system. They say that when this happens satellite radios are dead. Don't think so Bunky! Even Wi-Fi is having issues. Sprint is trying there damndest to dump Clearwire. And they all are having enough problems trying to deploy the next generations of wireless technology. They can't even afford the current upgrades! And they spend all that money and then all this other stuff comes on creating more congestion? I think there will be a major fight by the carriers to either prevent this on their systems. Or a MAJOR premium to use it.
-BGH
Your battery is dying while listening in the car?
No problem:
Get a 3 unit cigarette converter and a car charger for your phone. This way you use the car battery and keep the phone fine. Also you can keep your screen out of time out so you GPS constantly refreshes and you can see the screen at all time. Last is a mobile goose neck mount with a suction cup. That way your phone is eye level to see the GPS, change music or dial a number.
You can also pack all of this up in your carry on bag and set it up in the rental car as well!
- BGH
No problem:
Get a 3 unit cigarette converter and a car charger for your phone. This way you use the car battery and keep the phone fine. Also you can keep your screen out of time out so you GPS constantly refreshes and you can see the screen at all time. Last is a mobile goose neck mount with a suction cup. That way your phone is eye level to see the GPS, change music or dial a number.
You can also pack all of this up in your carry on bag and set it up in the rental car as well!
- BGH
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