Internet RADIO May Dramatically Change NJ Radio - Playing Field

[qtpieislit]

I know what a protocol is Walter, I was referring to the term he invented
"portable protocol device" Sam is the first to use it.

Tom,

"Portable Protocol Device" is a term that we have been using at Hy Lit Radio Technologies for some years now. It encompasses for our descriptive purposes a device or devices that transmit and receive data or data packets from single or multiple air signal delivered transmission/receiving platforms that are not necessarily operating on existing conventional networks...

As the evolution of these interface or hand held devices continue we needed to describe our system application processes as related to such platforms. Therefore, our descriptive purposes take into account not just the existing broadband networks but demonstrative software applications configured for "scanable spectrum" application receiving/transmitting devices of which are not yet available on the retail consumers level.



- Hy Lit Radio Technologies Inc. as a software designs group, specializes in advanced system applications, designs and proprietary development of emerging technologies, software engines, and digital delivery network systems for both consumer and industrial application purposes. Many of these processes are patented and patent pending. Among which which are the consumer YourDisplayCarousel.com and HyLitGlobalSearch.com platforms.

 

[bigtom101]

The 3G and 4G cell phone technology isn't bad, but I
find it breaks up on my big mile and a half ride home from work. The
cell phone providers will raise the prices and put a cap on the data
once people start listening more.

AT&T just did this, ending "all you can eat" data plans for new customers. Hopefully Verizon won't follow suit, but business is business.

As far a signal reliability, I just got a BlackBerry from Verizon and took it for a test run on the 25 minute ride home from Trenton to Monmouth County. The 128k MP3 stream I was listening to cut out two times, and there was a total of 40 or so seconds of buffering on one stretch of 295 near MP 62.

So long as providers invest in infrastructure, the growth will be there. And given the demand, they will have to to keep profits up.

 

[qtpieislit]

DateLine Washington DC Spetember 24 2010

The FCC yesterday unanimously approved the use of "whitespace" airwaves for wireless broadband. The agency expects devices that access this "super Wi-Fi" to arrive in the hands of consumers within a year. Companies like Google, Microsoft and Dell were quick to praise the vote and are eager to "unleash a whole new class of mobile wireless broadband services."

 

[hubcity]

DateLine Washington DC Spetember 24 2010

The FCC yesterday unanimously approved the use of "whitespace" airwaves for wireless broadband. The agency expects devices that access this "super Wi-Fi" to arrive in the hands of consumers within a year. Companies like Google, Microsoft and Dell were quick to praise the vote and are eager to "unleash a whole new class of mobile wireless broadband services."

I'd be interested in hearing whether this will be robust while in motion (one of the issues with HD Radio.) Onward into the future we go...

 

[tom]

from Inside Radio:

Web radio faces spread of tiered plan.
The mobile all-you-can-eat bandwidth buffet will become a thing of the past within the next four to six months at Verizon. The largest mobile service provider says a tiered pricing model will become its standard as it rolls out a fourth-generation technology. AT&T’s already made the switch which may impact online radio listening. Yet Pandora’s not worried.

 

[bigtom101]

from Inside Radio:

Web radio faces spread of tiered plan.
The mobile all-you-can-eat bandwidth buffet will become a thing of the past within the next four to six months at Verizon. The largest mobile service provider says a tiered pricing model will become its standard as it rolls out a fourth-generation technology. AT&T’s already made the switch which may impact online radio listening. Yet Pandora’s not worried.

So glad I signed up now with Verizon.I don't think I can go back to only having the AM/FM radio with me on the ride to and from work.

 

[MedianJ]

DateLine Washington DC Spetember 24 2010

The FCC yesterday unanimously approved the use of "whitespace" airwaves for wireless broadband. The agency expects devices that access this "super Wi-Fi" to arrive in the hands of consumers within a year. Companies like Google, Microsoft and Dell were quick to praise the vote and are eager to "unleash a whole new class of mobile wireless broadband services."

Thanks for the update Sam, your expert knowledge and contribution to this board is valued by many.

 

[SilverTonicFree]

Thanks for the update Sam, your expert knowledge

Those are some low expectations if copying and pasting is considered "expert knowledge."

 

[qtpieislit]

Thanks for the update Sam, your expert knowledge 

Those are some low expectations if copying and pasting is considered "expert knowledge."

Perhaps my previous post prior to the FCC announcement was the point of reference. I know it may be difficult but can you read back that far?

 

[MedianJ]

Thanks for the update Sam, your expert knowledge

Those are some low expectations if copying and pasting is considered "expert knowledge."

Perhaps my previous post prior to the FCC announcement was the point of reference. I know it may be difficult but can you read back that far?

You're correct Sam, the point of reference is clearly what I was referring to.

 

[MickeyD]

The technology for mobile Internet is pretty decent right now for data,
but it's not solid enough for audio. Those data plans are about $ 60 a
month for 5 gigabytes. No one is going to pay that much for mobile
data for streaming radio, and the 5 gigabytes would run out in a few
days I think. The 3G and 4G cell phone technology isn't bad, but I
find it breaks up on my big mile and a half ride home from work. The
cell phone providers will raise the prices and put a cap on the data
once people start listening more. The Internet radio providers are
going to have to support their services with Aural commercials, since
there aren't screens in cars to see text ads.

It's not going to be easy. People who can't find what they want on
traditional broadcast radio will probably continue to play their own
music from MP3 players, and get their traffic from their GPS, and be
happy. I would venture to guess that 50% of music listeners are
happy listening to the same songs over and over, without introducing
any new music to the mix. Younger people may be happy loading up
the player with new music on a regular basis, but older people don't care.
Talk and Sports radio will still be viable.

Technology gets better all the time, but they want to make money on
all of this stuff, not give it away. The public is cheap, they want stuff
free. It's not gonna happen. Think about how many people loved the
free XM or Sirius radio in the new car, but didn't renew it after the free
year subscription was up, and that's only like $ 12.99 a month.

Tom,
Would you ever use a 3G or 4G device to do a radio remote?

 

[tom]

Tom,
Would you ever use a 3G or 4G device to do a radio remote?

I recently installed an Android app from Comrex that works with their
Access unit. I haven't tested it yet, but it looks pretty cool.
ENCO, our automation supplier also has apps (iPhone) that allow all
kinds of control and audio functions.

Hopefully someone will come up with a high quality microphone adapter.

 

[Prais]

Josh,
If what the article you cite is TRUE, then WHY are you looking for people to buy those LOSER radio properties you have hawked here? Possibly, a bit dishonest, no?

IMO, internet radio's big day is still 7-10 years away, maybe a bit longer. Look at how long it took fm to gain traction.

 

[qtpieislit]

IMO, internet radio's big day is still 7-10 years away, maybe a bit longer. Look at how long it took fm to gain traction.

I want to try to be delicate with this because I know this may come as a bit of a shock, but maybe you may want to take a look around a bit. Notice all those little internet ready devices everybody is preoccupodo with. Why don't you just survey a few of those people. Ask them what they listen to. Ask them like, when was the last time they even listened to a radio.

Here's another litmus test. Take a look at the stock performance of most if not all of the major broadcast companies. Look at their balance sheets. Look at their debt to market capitalization ratios. Look at their layoffs. 

Then go back to someone with and iphone, droid, blackberry, evo...etc. And ask them again. When was the last time you listened to a radio? 

Welcome to your world.

 

[MedianJ]

Josh,
If what the article you cite is TRUE, then WHY are you looking for people to buy those LOSER radio properties you have hawked here? Possibly, a bit dishonest, no?

Anyone who buys an AM FM station these days are either stupid or a sucker. Look at the ones being transfered now, they're not being sold they're being foreclosed!

Sam Lit is correct again look at all the people you know listening to Pandora. Even with a tiered system most only listen on their phones while commuting an hour a day and when they get to work they will listen on their free computer. A 2 gig plan for a smart phone is 25 bucks a month and should last a few weeks, adding another gig will only cost 10 dollars. More places, cities and towns are becoming wifi which is free! Get your heads out of the sand and listen to Sam Lit he knows the future and it's here !

 

[TheBigA]

Here's another litmus test. Take a look at the stock performance of most if not all of the major broadcast companies. Look at their balance sheets. Look at their debt to market capitalization ratios. Look at their layoffs.

I wouldn't use that as a barometer of anything. These are companies that got into billion dollar debt before the depression. RCA did basically the same thing in 1929. They screwed over a lot of investors in the 30s before they turned things around.

The fact is this: People use lots of media and lots of devices. Sure they listen to Pandors, for maybe 20 minutes (have you studied their TSL?) But yes, they also listen to broadcast radio. Say what you will about Arbitron, but they didn't make up that 229 million figure.

 

[qtpieislit]

Here's another litmus test. Take a look at the stock performance of most if not all of the major broadcast companies. Look at their balance sheets. Look at their debt to market capitalization ratios. Look at their layoffs.

I wouldn't use that as a barometer of anything. These are companies that got into billion dollar debt before the depression. RCA did basically the same thing in 1929. They screwed over a lot of investors in the 30s before they turned things around.

The fact is this: People use lots of media and lots of devices. Sure they listen to Pandors, for maybe 20 minutes (have you studied their TSL?) But yes, they also listen to broadcast radio. Say what you will about Arbitron, but they didn't make up that 229 million figure.

Well, in fact yes they just about did. Here's how it works. For example, let's take Philadelphia. Arbitron takes a panel of people usually less than 1500 people (on a good month), and projects their sampling listening habits over 4,357,600 individuals. Arbitron provides those numerical statistical values for it's clients, the terrestrial radio industry. In turn the radio industry sells those numbers to the ad agency's and anyone willing to listen. The ad agency's in turn sell those numbers to it's clients. Everybody believes. Everybody wants to believe. Everybody drinks the Kool aid.

Problem is I am one of those 4,357,600 people. And I don't listen to radio. I am included as part of an active listener statistical value survey pattern that I can tell you first hand I am not listening to. And I am not they only one.

And there you have the magic of Arbitron.

It's sort of like Enron. Remember Enron?

Or like credit default swaps. Looks good on paper. But in reality.......

 

[Prais]

Arbitron and Enron have nothing in common. Mr. Lit has presented one of the biggest straw horse arguments, ever, not a litmus test.

NOBODY in this thread knows how long radio will last, or the impact of streaming stations. If they did, they wouldn't be HERE.

You also can't judge by stock performance. Car manufacturers and banks are in the dumper too.

With respect, usingg his analogy we can compare Mr. Lit to Mr. Obama. All blow, with little to back him up.

 

[TheBigA]

Problem is I am one of those 4,357,600 people. And I don't listen to radio. I am included as part of an active listener statistical value survey pattern that I can tell you first hand I am not listening to.

So from your personal experience, you can extrapolate that because YOU don't listen to radio, that NO ONE listens to radio. Sounds like hokus pokus to me.

 

[qtpieislit]

Problem is I am one of those 4,357,600 people. And I don't listen to radio. I am included as part of an active listener statistical value survey pattern that I can tell you first hand I am not listening to.

So from your personal experience, you can extrapolate that because YOU don't listen to radio, that NO ONE listens to radio. Sounds like hokus pokus to me.

I'm not saying that. I am saying that Arbitron's yesteryear sampling methology is inaccurate in today's new broadcast model era. And I venture to say that this analysis applies to all internet ready users. Which as we speak is by far the larger measures of available listening audiences.