Internet RADIO May Dramatically Change NJ Radio - Playing Field

[qtpieislit]

Arbitron and Enron have nothing in common. Mr. Lit has presented one of the biggest straw horse arguments, ever, not a litmus test.

NOBODY in this thread knows how long radio will last, or the impact of streaming stations. If they did, they wouldn't be HERE.

You also can't judge by stock performance. Car manufacturers and banks are in the dumper too.

With respect, usingg his analogy we can compare Mr. Lit to Mr. Obama. All blow, with little to back him up.

Dude, if the government didn't rescue the banks and car companies we're have to speak Japanese every time we made a withdraw or started our cars. lol.

 

[TheBigA]

I'm not saying that. I am saying that Arbitron's yesteryear sampling methology is inaccurate in today's new broadcast model era.

No...what you're doing is trying to give your personal anecdotal experience more credibility than independent research that has been certified by outside agencies.

 

[Zackster]

Dude, if the government didn't rescue the banks and car companies we're have to speak Japanese every time we made a withdraw or started our cars. lol.

We're have to learn English first.

 

[qtpieislit]

I'm not saying that. I am saying that Arbitron's yesteryear sampling methology is inaccurate in today's new broadcast model era.

No...what you're doing is trying to give your personal anecdotal experience more credibility than independent research that has been certified by outside agencies.

Dude, listen. I'm really in more than a casual position to know these insidious things. Take my word for it. In 1973 my family sued Arbitron for inaccurate measurements of WDAS FM and inner city listening patterns. After only 4 day's of testimony Arbitron settled the law suit. Part of the settlement required Arbitron to correct their measurement systems in Philadelphia and in every market across the USA. The ratings changed. WDAS FM was rated #1 as we knew it already was, throughout the duration of the 70's until my family sold WDAS AM/FM in late 1979 for the highest dollar value of any Philadelphia station up until that time....

I have a glimpsing level of expertise when it comes to such matters. I also have access to the Hy Lit Radio Technology measurement systems which I just happen to have developed.  And they tell a story, a compelling story of today's listening patterns.

Believe me when I tell you and you can learn something from this, Arbitron measurements are seriously flawed at this time. That's just the plain fact jack. Solid ted? 'Nuff said!


- Hy Lit Radio Technologies Inc. is a software designs group, specializing in advanced system applications, designs and proprietary development of emerging technologies, software engines, and digital delivery network systems for both consumer and industrial application purposes. Many of our processes are patented and patent pending. Among which which are the consumer HyLitGlobalSearch.com engine platforms.

 

[TheBigA]

Dude, listen. I'm really in more than a casual position to know these insidious things.

Oh come on now. First of all, you're coming at this discussion from an obvious professional bias. Second, I can tell you this is not a hobby for me. That's not the point.

In 1973 my family sued Arbitron for inaccurate measurements of WDAS FM and inner city listening patterns.

The methodologies used in 1973 are quite different from those in use with PPM.

I have a glimpsing level of expertise when it comes to such matters. I also have access to the Hy Lit Radio Technology measurement systems which I just happen to have developed. And they tell a story, a compelling story of today's listening patterns.

Certified by who? Your anectdotal experience? Look...you're coming at this discussion with an obvious and admitted financial bias. You're using your personal experience, cloaked under the cover of something you call "technology" to authenticate your opinion. That's like a snake oil salesman calling himself a doctor. Give me certified numbers.

 

[qtpieislit]

Dude, listen. I'm really in more than a casual position to know these insidious things.

Oh come on now.  First of all, you're coming at this discussion from an obvious professional bias.  Second, I can tell you this is not a hobby for me.  That's not the point.

In 1973 my family sued Arbitron for inaccurate measurements of WDAS FM and inner city listening patterns.

The methodologies used in 1973 are quite different from those in use with PPM.  

Look I said pannel in the post you originally trashed.

Arbitron takes a panel of people usually less than 1500 people (on a good month),

I have a glimpsing level of expertise when it comes to such matters. I also have access to the Hy Lit Radio Technology measurement systems which I just happen to have developed.  And they tell a story, a compelling story of today's listening patterns.

Certified by who?  Your anectdotal experience?  Look...you're coming at this discussion with an obvious and admitted financial bias.  You're using your personal experience, cloaked under the cover of something you call "technology" to authenticate your opinion.  That's like a snake oil salesman calling himself a doctor.  Give me certified numbers. 

I am not qualifying my statements based on my financial interests. They have their own business model that does not depend on the death of terrestrial radio. Like I said Hy Lit Radio Technologies is a software technologies company first and foremost. My audio platforms are just a small part of what we do. If you don't want to learn anything just say so.

And the word glimpsing is just about as sarcastic as I can put it.

 

[TheBigA]

If you don't want to learn anything just say so.

Here's what I want to learn:

Since when is anecdotal experience more credible than approved and certified research?

And while we're at it, since that was your example in this thread, do you consider anecdotal experience as part of Hy Lit Technologies?

 

[qtpieislit]

I am not responsible for your levels of interpretation. Subscribe to your knowledge base and live by it.

 

[TheBigA]

I am not responsible for your levels of interpretation.

Interpretation has nothing to do with it. Go through the thread and you'll see.

 

[Tubbs]

Look it pains me to have to agree both "Samlit" and "MedianJ" but we all know Arbitron is a scam and internet radio is the clearly the future. Of course looking into my little crystal ball I'm guessing by that time big corporations will have figured out how to control it and ruin internet radio just like terrestrial radio.

 

[amfmsw]

@ Tom: Re: quality Mic input...

If ANYONE can develop it, it's YOU. I've seen your circuit designs and other work, the simplicity is always brilliant. Personally, I gave up on mixers at home and use an A-T Condensor with a USB cord for audio and Phantom power w/Adobe Audition.


And regarding 1973 vs PPM Arbitron info, I believe Sam would win this arguement. As although the COLLECTION and gathering of data has changed dramaticaly, the mathematic formulas used to glean Market ratings are basicaly unchanged. That includes Cume, TSL and AQH Rating....but not Share. Share is always Station W--- vs. those actually tuned in to any station at any given time expressed as a percentage. But the Rating numbers and Cume are questionable, as it is Staion vs. entire population, who may or may not actually use broadcast radio, but are included in the count anyway. That, I believe is what Sam was trying to express.

 

[[email protected]]

There will be 100,000 of streams to tune into right in your home or car. That includes all NJ radio streams. Anyone can be a broadcaster from there radio station, office, or home! It's going to come down to, who is more talented and create the better sound, who ever plays to the public.

Thanx

Ron

 

[hubcity]

And whoever can market themselves, because if your only marketing is the fact that you're one of 100,000 stations, you've got no marketing at all.

 

[d21ofnj]

Either that, or terrestrial may try to stop the growth of internet radio.

 

[TheBigA]

Either that, or terrestrial may try to stop the growth of internet radio.

How? I don't see how that's possible.

It's pretty obvious that all of the major radio companies recognize there's additional revenue to be made via the internet.

 

[hubcity]

Either that, or terrestrial may try to stop the growth of internet radio.

How? I don't see how that's possible.

It's pretty obvious that all of the major radio companies recognize there's additional revenue to be made via the internet.

Pretty simple. Agree to a performance royalty rate that they know they can handle, but Internet broadcasters can't.

 

[d21ofnj]

It's pretty obvious that all of the major radio companies recognize there's additional revenue to be made via the internet. 

Not when it comes to the small broadcaster. These guys in the CRB assume the internet stations make revenue when most of them don't, and most of these streams are run by several people.  Take for example the big streams such as hitzradio.com, ipartyradio.com, where are they?  Suffering the payment of the new royalty rate.  Live365 boosted their prices up with this new rate, and prices doubled for the basic packages, and now makes it difficult to stream freely due to these royalties unless you're a PRO station.  Paying for such a small stream is like paying a cable bill, whereas paying for a big stream is like paying for an apartment. 

http://www.live365.com/pro/ratecard-royaltyincluded.pdf


I am now using Centova Cast and runs better than the Live365 basic software.

 

[TheBigA]

Pretty simple. Agree to a performance royalty rate that they know they can handle, but Internet broadcasters can't.

But as I said, the on-air broadcasters are also online. They'd be paying both royalties, not just one.

These guys in the CRB assume the internet stations make revenue when most of them don't, and most of these streams are run by several people.

The Congress addressed that issue a few years ago when they said smaller internet broadcasters could negotiate directly with SoundExchange.

 

[d21ofnj]

But as I said, the on-air broadcasters are also online. They'd be paying both royalties, not just one.

Terrestrial are running relays of their broadcasts, in which case are allowed to use a basic package because they are just running what they are airing on the air.

The Congress addressed that issue a few years ago when they said smaller internet broadcasters could negotiate directly with SoundExchange.

That was in 2007, where negotiations did meet, but the new rates got approved last year anyway and go in effect in 2011, whereas the rate is set at $0.00102 per song per listener.

 

[TheBigA]

Terrestrial are running relays of their broadcasts, in which case are allowed to use a basic package because they are just running what they are airing on the air.

But they can't air agency spots, because of AFTRA rules, and they don't get credit in Arbitron because it's not a 100% simulcast. The grass ain't all that green. But that's show biz!