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[Rudy Canoza]

I live in the Los Angeles radio footprint.

Okay, here's what the suits in the glass towers are missing.

I have a C-Crane radio tied to my home network

I listen to Phil Hendrie at night, or Coast-to-Coast if George Knapp or Art Bell are the host. And not necessirly a Los Angeles stream.

I listen to KSFO in San Francisco in the morning because Bill Handel has become way too annoying. I would listen more if Lara Hermanson was still on the board. But, no longer. And if Wayne Reznick is within 5 feet of a microphone I tune the station out. No exceptions.

I drive about 50,000 miles a year in California for my business. I subscribe to Sirius.

My point is, the suits in the glass towers need to look at competition beyond the terrestrial level. Because if you piss me off, like by firing Lara Hermanson...well, I have choices.

 

[davideduardo]

My point is, the suits in the glass towers need to look at competition beyond the terrestrial level. Because if you piss me off, like by firing Lara Hermanson...well, I have choices.

You dislike the most listened to show in LA radio for 2009, so you can hardly expect stations to take you seriously as your tastes appear to run towards things that don't work, like Hendrie, and against things that do.

 

[Rudy Canoza]

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[ercjncpr]

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Rudy,
David Eduardo is heavily involved with AM-FM, not the kind of radio that you and I prefer. So his opinion is biased and not surprising.

 

[davideduardo]

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Rudy,
David Eduardo is heavily involved with AM-FM, not the kind of radio that you and I prefer. So his opinion is biased and not surprising.

That's a simplistic and inaccurate conclusion. I'm involved with internet-only streams, websites, and I even programmed 5 XM channels when that service debuted.

Streams, WiFi, WiMax, podcasts and user delayed content are all extensions of the basic communication delivery process. Social networks are just extensions of the smoke signal and the telephone. All use technology to advance a communication process that starting way back when early man drew figures on cave walls.

 

[nmoore6676]

My point is, the suits in the glass towers need to look at competition beyond the terrestrial level. Because if you piss me off, like by firing Lara Hermanson...well, I have choices.

You dislike the most listened to show in LA radio for 2009, so you can hardly expect stations to take you seriously as your tastes appear to run towards things that don't work, like Hendrie, and against things that do.

Now that I'm no longer in Southern California I often stream the first couple of hours of Handel (5-7) but on the rest of the show I have to agree with Rudy's opinion. Also Handel On The Law is carried here locally so I can get my dose of Handel at his best. The best years of Handel were the Dick Cabeza period and after he left and also following the anal response to "Nipplegate" and Howard Stern from regulators and the suits the Handel show lost a lot of luster. A little of the former glimmer came back during the Lara Hermanson months but in all honesty the present personnel seem to have a good chemistry and when the show is more free form with less of Bill it is pretty good.

Coast to Coast AM certainly is better when Art Bell or George Knapp are on but not that bad with George Noory or Ian Punnet. I have never caught Phil Hendrie either via the net or over the air but that is more due to my personal schedule than anything else. I should try to get it sometime as I've heard that he is bringing some of the old schtick.

However, streaming will never be taken seriously until it can show a revenue stream and most stations don't even try to market it. KFI for one does and puts in spots tailored to computer users. Many other stations just have silence or fill music while spots are airing which must be deleted due to AFTRA mandates. Some of the smaller stations I stream let the local spots run but that produces nothing for their advertisers as nobody in another state is going to shop at Joe's Market in Small Town Iowa.

Bottom line is that I don't think that David E. is biased in anyway on his views, he is just stating reality. As much as people like me and you, Rudy, love the new technologies they are still works in progress. I am old enough to recall when the suits didn't care about FM, so I have hope; if all the new stuff builds numbers users as FM did back when.

 

[Dick Skinner]

Streams, WiFi, WiMax, podcasts and user delayed content are all extensions of the basic communication delivery process. Social networks are just extensions of the smoke signal and the telephone. All use technology to advance a communication process that starting way back when early man drew figures on cave walls.

So, David, are you saying even a caveman could do it? If so, I think it's time someone attended some sensitivity training.

 

[TheBigA]

My point is, the suits in the glass towers need to look at competition beyond the terrestrial level. Because if you piss me off, like by firing Lara Hermanson...well, I have choices.

Using that logic, think of all the people you WOULD like if you knew they existed.

This is why I say that in the near future, we all will have our own radio stations, each broadcasting to an audience of one...ourselves. Diluting the audience may be great for democracy, but it's hard to make money with it.

 

[davideduardo]

Streams, WiFi, WiMax, podcasts and user delayed content are all extensions of the basic communication delivery process. Social networks are just extensions of the smoke signal and the telephone. All use technology to advance a communication process that starting way back when early man drew figures on cave walls.


So, David, are you saying even a caveman could do it? If so, I think it's time someone attended some sensitivity training.

Reread, please.

I am saying that the communication process uses the technology of each point in time. Primitive paints or lumps of coal were high tech in another era. The quill was high tech before the printing press. As new technologies develop, old ones are dropped or used less.

Applied to radio, using new distribution methods will eventually eliminate the need for AM and FM transmitters, but for the moment they coexist with newer things like streaming.

 

[nmoore6676]

Streams, WiFi, WiMax, podcasts and user delayed content are all extensions of the basic communication delivery process. Social networks are just extensions of the smoke signal and the telephone. All use technology to advance a communication process that starting way back when early man drew figures on cave walls.


So, David, are you saying even a caveman could do it? If so, I think it's time someone attended some sensitivity training.

Reread, please.

I am saying that the communication process uses the technology of each point in time. Primitive paints or lumps of coal were high tech in another era. The quill was high tech before the printing press. As new technologies develop, old ones are dropped or used less.

Applied to radio, using new distribution methods will eventually eliminate the need for AM and FM transmitters, but for the moment they coexist with newer things like streaming.

I think that the poster was being facetious using the Geico Caveman Commercials theme. In fact though the total abandonment of older communications means might prove dangerous in times of massive disaster, either natural or man made. If all broadcasting were to cease people would no longer own radios and that could mean not being able to reach citizens to convey critical information.

Things like cell phone and the web require massive infrastructure and interconnections as do the plain old land line phones. In a disaster which wipes out that those relatively fragile networks radio could fill the need to transfer information to the masses and AM radio even more so. The reason amateur radio requires code proficiency for the higher class licenses is to have people trained in an old fashioned but more robust communication media in case of need.

I use computers and the internet extensively and I do listen to internet streams, however when I need to be on the go it is so much easier to slip a little portable receiver in my pocket and plug in the ear buds and I'm in touch with local news and music if I want. Yes there is WiFi but at some point if more and more people use it for audio and video streams the bandwidth capacity will be stressed and in order to control that there will be caps and / or restrictive fees so that old Walkman radio will look good again. Already the grab for more spectrum is forcing the FCC to displace wireless mike users on the 700MHz band and will cost live theater and sports venues lots of $$$ to replace existing equipment in order to comply.

 

[K6JHU]

"...The reason amateur radio requires code proficiency for the higher class licenses is to have people trained in an old fashioned but more robust communication media in case of need. "

FCC dropped all code profiency requirements a few years ago. Even maritime no longer requires code.

 

[nmoore6676]

"...The reason amateur radio requires code proficiency for the higher class licenses is to have people trained in an old fashioned but more robust communication media in case of need. "

FCC dropped all code profiency requirements a few years ago. Even maritime no longer requires code.

Big mistake, and not because when I had my license that I had to take the test. In an emergency knowing code could be the difference in getting messages through or not. We are allowing our dependence on modern methods to lull us into a false sense of security regarding communications. Not that long ago a local fast food franchise shut down (think Golden Arches) because the computers were down and they couldn't take orders and take payments.

By the way my old slide rule is still in my desk drawer, boy I am getting old.