Inventor of comepting technology thinks IBOC violates FCC rules.

[davideduardo]

The FMeXtra radios that will be coming out are simpler and much less expensive the HD Radios, while offering the same, or better quality. A standard FM radio with composite output could even be plugged in to a low cost decoder.
No new transmitters or antennas are necessary at the FM station, just a relatively cheap FMeXtra encoder. This is the way to go.

This train left the station. 1050 stations now on in HD. Over 1100 now signed and committed to go HD soon. These 2000 stations account for better than 80% of the radio listening in the US.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

The FMeXtra radios that will be coming out are simpler and much less expensive the HD Radios, while offering the same, or better quality. A standard FM radio with composite output could even be plugged in to a low cost decoder.
No new transmitters or antennas are necessary at the FM station, just a relatively cheap FMeXtra encoder. This is the way to go.

This train left the station. 1050 stations now on in HD. Over 1100 now signed and committed to go HD soon. These 2000 stations account for better than 80% of the radio listening in the US.

Sorry you and your buddies missed the train. ;D
Here are hundreds of new, truly free, super high quality HD stations you can hear right from your location without the expense of the HD Radio or defective adjacent channel HD Radio/iBiquity system.
http://www.tuner2.com/

 

[IBOCRocks]

The FMeXtra radios that will be coming out are simpler and much less expensive the HD Radios, while offering the same, or better quality. A standard FM radio with composite output could even be plugged in to a low cost decoder.
No new transmitters or antennas are necessary at the FM station, just a relatively cheap FMeXtra encoder. This is the way to go.

This train left the station. 1050 stations now on in HD. Over 1100 now signed and committed to go HD soon. These 2000 stations account for better than 80% of the radio listening in the US.

Sorry you and your buddies missed the train. ;D
Here are hundreds of new, truly free, super high quality HD stations you can hear right from your location without the expense of the HD Radio or defective adjacent channel HD Radio/iBiquity system.
http://www.tuner2.com/

"Hear from your location". Nice qualifier.

Hear from your location means within 50 feet of a broadband connection. Maybe someday, but not now.

Just say no to bad alternatives.

 

[1q2w3e]

If FMeXtra can be received on an HD radio, it could undercut sales of FM HD transmission equipment. If this is the case, and a station could add a digital signal with a one-time purchase of an FMeXtra transmitter, they would be less likely to buy the more expensive HD equipment with its recurring usage fees.

-- Jason

The FMeXtra radios that will be coming out are simpler and much less expensive the HD Radios, while offering the same, or better quality. A standard FM radio with composite output could even be plugged in to a low cost decoder.
No new transmitters or antennas are necessary at the FM station, just a relatively cheap FMeXtra encoder. This is the way to go.

Let me make sure I'm copying you correctly. An *analog* FM receiver's audio output can be run to a decoder box (instead of directly to a speaker or headphones) to retrieve the digital signal?


-- Jason

Not exactly. An analog radio that has a composite output, (some do and many can be easily adopted) not the audio output, can be run to a relatively simple FMeXtra digital decoder and then to your amp, speakers, or headphones.

A composite output??? Where? I have not seen one receiver with a composite output. So that would mean that there are more HD Radios than there are analog receivers with composite outputs......

 

[IBOCRocks]

1q2w3e for the win!

Radio with composite output...

*snicker*

;D

 

[JasonW]

SUPERCASTER wrote:

<Not exactly. An analog radio that has a composite output, (some do and many can be easily adopted) not the audio output, can be run to a relatively simple FMeXtra digital decoder and then to your amp, speakers, or headphones.>

I've seen and used a lot of FM receivers, and I've never seen one with this. I'll ask this again: Since FMeXtra and FM HD both use the same codec, can FMeXtra be received on an HD receiver? Since these receivers already exist and are available (albeit in small quantities at present), stations could avoid the higher costs of HD FM transmission equipment (not to mention the recurring usage fees) by using FMeXtra transmission equipment instead.


-- Jason

 

[IBOCRocks]

SUPERCASTER wrote:

<Not exactly. An analog radio that has a composite output, (some do and many can be easily adopted) not the audio output, can be run to a relatively simple FMeXtra digital decoder and then to your amp, speakers, or headphones.>

I've seen and used a lot of FM receivers, and I've never seen one with this. I'll ask this again: Since FMeXtra and FM HD both use the same codec, can FMeXtra be received on an HD receiver? Since these receivers already exist and are available (albeit in small quantities at present), stations could avoid the higher costs of HD FM transmission equipment (not to mention the recurring usage fees) by using FMeXtra transmission equipment instead.


-- Jason

Let's clear something up quick. There are no recurring fees for broadcasters using IBOC, UNLESS they multi-cast. The one-time licensing fee is it.

Now, to answer the second question, you could do that, though it would add to the cost of the radio. I don't see manufacturers trying it though until there are actually stations using it.

 

[JasonW]

The FMeXtra radios that will be coming out are simpler and much less expensive the HD Radios, while offering the same, or better quality. A standard FM radio with composite output could even be plugged in to a low cost decoder.
No new transmitters or antennas are necessary at the FM station, just a relatively cheap FMeXtra encoder. This is the way to go.

This train left the station. 1050 stations now on in HD. Over 1100 now signed and committed to go HD soon. These 2000 stations account for better than 80% of the radio listening in the US.

The best-laid and best-financed plans of mice and corporations often...backfire. There were once many AM Stereo stations too, but no longer. AMAX and Quadraphonic sound were also once touted as the wave of the future. Will HD radio grow and ultimately prevail? Maybe, but maybe not. The number of stations broadcasting (or *still* broadcasting) in HD say, five years from now will tell the story.

HD radio may capture the listening public's fancy and thus leverage itself into dominance, but if most listeners don't care then it won't matter if 100% of the radio stations broadcast in HD. If few people buy HD receivers, HD radio's demise could be even more rapid than that of AM Stereo, because stations have to pay to keep using their HD equipment (for multi-casting) whereas AM Stereo equipment entails only the one-time purchase cost.

Will HD radio thrive or falter and die? Only the calendar knows...


-- Jason

 

[JasonW]

IBOCRocks wrote:

<Let's clear something up quick. There are no recurring fees for broadcasters using IBOC, UNLESS they multi-cast. The one-time licensing fee is it.>

Thank you for clarifying that.

<Now, to answer the second question, you could do that, though it would add to the cost of the radio. I don't see manufacturers trying it though until there are actually stations using it.>

So a "stock" HD receiver can't pick up FMeXtra signals 'out of the box.' Well, that would tend to put FMeXtra into the same category as the V-Cord video cassette recorder...


-- Jason

 

[IBOCRocks]

Will HD radio thrive or falter and die? Only the calendar knows...

-- Jason

Now there's a statement I 100% agree with!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

David wrote: "This train left the station. 1050 stations now on in HD. Over 1100 now signed and committed to go HD soon. These 2000 stations account for better than 80% of the radio listening in the US."

It doesn't mater, if all 5000 stations broadcast in IBOC, no one is listening ! A joke of a "technology" that is being forced onto the public - yea, that is going to work well. As Mark Ramsey put it to me personally, "I can't belive the public is being so dumb".

 

[davideduardo]

David wrote: "This train left the station. 1050 stations now on in HD. Over 1100 now signed and committed to go HD soon. These 2000 stations account for better than 80% of the radio listening in the US."

It doesn't mater, if all 5000 stations broadcast in IBOC, no one is listening ! A joke of a "technology" that is being forced onto the public - yea, that is going to work well. As Mark Ramsey put it to me personally, "I can't belive the public is being so dumb".

There are 13,500 radio stations in the US, not 5000.

AM is pretty much dead for all but the 45-54 sales demo. It may be too late for anything to be done for AM, HD or not. In the best of cases, FM HD will drag AM stations along and enhance their image.

Mark and I disagree on many things. Mark recently said, "It’s the “average” we measure to figure out what music to play. It’s the “average” person who votes on our songs. It’s the “average” we reduce our stations to when we’re out to cut expense. In today’s growing technologically mediated audio entertainment environment, the “average” no longer exists. That’s because music fans no longer need to share common tastes with others in order to find a radio station “they can all agree on.” In fact, the very idea of “agreeing” on a station is antithetical. Who needs to agree when your perfect, ideal station is one set of earbuds away?"

My comment: The whole point of radio is to be a favorite to many for a particular usage. The needs that radio serves are for companionship, clue-edinedness, hipness, laughter, relaxation, etc. Nobody I know tunes in to a radio station to (realistically) hear "my personal favorite songs" from any time and any place. That's what I-pods do, and, no question, it's a competitive advantage for that technology. However, I can mood manage a radio dial much more easily than I can mood-manage an I-Pod playlist (without pre-planning, that is). And if I do pre-program my I-Pod, I get the same content every time, which doesn't happen with radio.

So you can not say that just because a person... and a person who has no responsability to any radio station... is necesarily right. You are veyr good at finding quotes from people who are either wrong or clueless. This is one of them.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Yea, I know there are 13,500, I was just referring to Clear Channel. There are too many other real high-tech entertainment systems, to be bothered with this joke of a "technology". Ramsey knows what he is talking about - he knows HD Radio is going to fail. iPods let people choose what they want to hear, not forced AM/FM garbage with commercials !

 

[IBOCRocks]

Yea, I know there are 13,500, I was just referring to Clear Channel. There are too many other real high-tech entertainment systems, to be bothered with this joke of a "technology". Ramsey knows what he is talking about - he knows HD Radio is going to fail.

Yeah, let's all bow down to Mr. Ramsey! He is the sole oracle of all things radio! You're winning the office pool on absurd statements...this one's a REAL humdinger.

Keep 'em coming!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Shall we match his credentials against yours ? Also, you mis-spelled "competing" - comepting.

 

[IBOCRocks]

Shall we match his credentials against yours ? Also, you mis-spelled "competing" - comepting.

Don't need to. Let's compare yours! That's right - don't have any! And good jub attacking the spelling. That's how you know when someone is losing an argument...they attack spelling.

Anyway, have fun. I look forward to cheking out your nuggets of wisdom later. It's good for a chuckle!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

What the hell is a "jub" ?

 

[autopaint-1]

I thougth it was HD talk one uses when posting a response to a schmuck. Makes sense to me.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

OH, NO !

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[davideduardo]

Yea, I know there are 13,500, I was just referring to Clear Channel. There are too many other real high-tech entertainment systems, to be bothered with this joke of a "technology". Ramsey knows what he is talking about - he knows HD Radio is going to fail. iPods let people choose what they want to hear, not forced AM/FM garbage with commercials !

Clear Channel does not own 5,000 stations and you know that.

iPods are no different than cassette players or CD Walkman players. They are for your personal music collection.

Again, Ramsey does not have day-in and day-out responsibillity for a radio station. He is entitled to an opinion, but the fact that you find no other radio researcher to quote proves that he is swimming against the current. You found one voice out of dozens of researchers, and you hitched your trailer to it.