Inventor of comepting technology thinks IBOC violates FCC rules.

[pullitin]

OH, NO !

GM Slashes XM Radio Prices
General Motors lowered the price of factory-installed XM Satellite Radios to $199 to most of its model-year 2007 vehicles. That's a 39% reduction; the original price for the option was $325.

A GM executive cited economies of scale and engineering efficiencies brought by the rapid pace of XM installations across the automaker's product lineup for the price decrease. More than 90 percent of GM's model-year 2006 and 2007 vehicles offer factory- installed XM radios as either an option or as standard equipment.

GM has built more than 4 million XM-equipped vehicles since 2001.

I THINK I KNOW WHAT THIS PERSON DOES, HE MUST WORK FOR XM OR SOMETHING AND HE IS WORRIED THAT HD RADIO WILL TAKE OFF, MAYBE YOU HAVE A SHARE IN XM? WHAT IS IT? I KNOW YOU MUST DO SOMETHING WITH XM.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

No, I am a senior software engineer in the Intelligence Community, pulleditout.

 

[pullitin]

No, I am a senior software engineer in the Intelligence Community, pulleditout.

I DONT BELIEVE THAT, THE WAY YOU HAVE BEEN ACTING YOU ACT LIKE A 18-24 YEAR OLD OR YOUNGER.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Oh, the insults ! This is just a message board - get over it ! Actually, I worked at NSA for a few years, and now I am a CIA contractor.

 

[IBOCRocks]

Oh, the insults ! This is just a message board - get over it ! Actually, I worked at NSA for a few years, and now I am a CIA contractor.

You aren't, but that's OK. Unless you're a janitorial consultant. Goverment agencies wouldn't touch someone with a psychological profile like you.

 

[vsa]

IBOCROCKS WROTE: "You aren't, but that's OK. Unless you're a janitorial consultant. Goverment agencies wouldn't touch someone with a psychological profile like you."

Is this the best you can do to defend HD Radio? Resorting to personal slurs? Let's cut out the personal attacks and stop injecting emotionalism into the discussion.

 

[IBOCRocks]

IBOCROCKS WROTE: "You aren't, but that's OK. Unless you're a janitorial consultant. Goverment agencies wouldn't touch someone with a psychological profile like you."

Is this the best you can do to defend HD Radio? Resorting to personal slurs? Let's cut out the personal attacks and stop injecting emotionalism into the discussion.

I'm just dealing with your friend on his level. You want to see emotional, I can show you his posts.

I don't need to defend HD Radio. It's doing fine without me. You guys seem to feel the need for attacks. Not everything is emotional, even though you think you're taking the high road by pointing that out.

 

[pullitin]

I THINK VSA AND SAYNO IS THE SAME PERSON!!

 

[autopaint-1]

VSA, SayNo, Supercaster and the rest are the same person. No reasonable person would believe that this psychopath works for the intellegence community. Any professional would never behave this way. Lucky for him that so few people actually read boards like this because if they found out that someone was misrepresenting themselves as a government employee at that level, they would find themselves in serious trouble.

 

[IBOCRocks]

VSA, SayNo, Supercaster and the rest are the same person. No reasonable person would believe that this psychopath works for the intellegence community. Any professional would never behave this way. Lucky for him that so few people actually read boards like this because if they found out that someone was misrepresenting themselves as a government employee at that level, they would find themselves in serious trouble.

No need to get emotional now...

 

[IBOCRocks]

I THINK VSA AND SAYNO IS THE SAME PERSON!!

I agree. A discussion with any of them goes like this:

SayNovsaCASTER: "HD Radio is the number 1 cause of death. It must be stopped !"
Us: "Care to prove it?"
SayNovsaCASTER: "Here's a link to a blogger who read somewhere that it's true !"
Us: "That's blatently untrue. You'd have to be insane to believe that!"
SayNovsaCASTER: "No need to get emotional."
Us: "We're not emotional, we're just saying you're wrong"
SayNovsaCASTER: "You're an idiot. Your proof means nothing. It's fraudulent and the Cartel must be stopped"
Us: Here's the proof.
SayNovsaCASTER: "Why so angry? No need to get so emotional !"

Lather, rinse, repeat. I mean, c'mon. They call us angry, yet they LIVE to attack a technology. A technology that, all things considered is not extremely significant. Yet their lives revolve around doing whatever they can to start fights.

vsa, instead of just asking "How many radios have been sold?" has to rant about "resource diversion" and "demanding answers" from people. Then accuse me of being emotional when I call him on it.

Riiiight.

It's funny that one ones demanding the answers are generally the ones unwilling to answer the questions asked of them.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

"VSA, SayNo, Supercaster and the rest are the same person. No reasonable person would believe that this psychopath works for the intellegence community. Any professional would never behave this way. Lucky for him that so few people actually read boards like this because if they found out that someone was misrepresenting themselves as a government employee at that level, they would find themselves in serious trouble."

Oh, you found us out ! I guess, that I am in serious trouble, now ! This is just a mesage board - get over it ! So right, you can't defend fraudulent IBOC, so you all turn to person attacks ! This board is mild, compared to rec.radio.shortwave - you should go over and search on Eduardo, and see his rants, cussing, and calling Brenda Anne a Nazi ! All three of us are very upset, now ! Maybe, I should write a eulogy - sound familar ?

 

[dbdigital]

SUPERCASTER wrote:

<Not exactly. An analog radio that has a composite output, (some do and many can be easily adopted) not the audio output, can be run to a relatively simple FMeXtra digital decoder and then to your amp, speakers, or headphones.>

I've seen and used a lot of FM receivers, and I've never seen one with this. I'll ask this again: Since FMeXtra and FM HD both use the same codec, can FMeXtra be received on an HD receiver? Since these receivers already exist and are available (albeit in small quantities at present), stations could avoid the higher costs of HD FM transmission equipment (not to mention the recurring usage fees) by using FMeXtra transmission equipment instead.


-- Jason

Let's clear something up quick. There are no recurring fees for broadcasters using IBOC, UNLESS they multi-cast. The one-time licensing fee is it.

That's true of the main audio channel, but that doesn't tell the entire story. For example, on iBiquity's Licensing Fact Sheet item #8 the sheet lists what it calls "Revisions and Upgrades" and states that starting next year " stations may license any upgrades that may be released periodically by electing to pay an annual fee or the prevailing rate at the time of release." So even if a station only broadcasts one HD channel it still has to pay either a yearly fee for software upgrades or pay on an 'as released' basis.

Given that many people who have heard HD-FM can't distinguish it from high quality analog FM, what incentive is there for an FM broadcaster to convert to digital unless it is to broadcast two or three channels of audio, thereby giving the broadcaster a chance, if only a slightly modest one, to compete against satellite radio? In that case, the broadcaster has to pay a yearly fee for each channel of supplemental audio being broadcast. And should there be aux. data channels, (beyond the main data channel) that's another set of yearly fees to iBiquity on top of the audio fees.

So no matter how a broadcaster uses HD Radio, for iBiquity it is truly the gift (thanks to the FCC) that keeps on giving.
db

 

[SUPERCASTER]

The FMeXtra radios that will be coming out are simpler and much less expensive the HD Radios, while offering the same, or better quality. A standard FM radio with composite output could even be plugged in to a low cost decoder.
No new transmitters or antennas are necessary at the FM station, just a relatively cheap FMeXtra encoder. This is the way to go.

This train left the station. 1050 stations now on in HD. Over 1100 now signed and committed to go HD soon. These 2000 stations account for better than 80% of the radio listening in the US.

Sorry you and your buddies missed the train. ;D
Here are hundreds of new, truly free, super high quality HD stations you can hear right from your location without the expense of the HD Radio or defective adjacent channel HD Radio/iBiquity system.
http://www.tuner2.com/

"Hear from your location". Nice qualifier.

Hear from your location means within 50 feet of a broadband connection. Maybe someday, but not now.

Just say no to bad alternatives.

I't awefully hard for people to hear from somewhere they aren't!
50 feet is your claim, results vary widely.

 

[IBOCRocks]

I't awefully hard for people to hear from somewhere they aren't!
50 feet is your claim, results vary widely.

Absolutely about your claims about HD Radio as well. Results vary widely.

 

[calstymes]

I think the appropriate term is: "Your mileage may vary".