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iPhone sales compared to HD radio sales pitch

It's funny that HD radio wasn't a welcome technology by the masses two years ago or for that matter today, yet the iPhone is being marveled at and crazed over even though the price is twice that of HD radios.

"SAN FRANCISCO - On the eve of the day of reckoning for the most-hyped gadget in recent memory, eager customers lined up Thursday, a few even braving torrential rain, to be among the first to get their hands on the coveted new cell phone from Apple Inc."

"People armed with sleeping bags and folding chairs started lining up on Monday outside Apple's flagship store in New York City, but in the company's San Francisco Bay area backyard, residents apparently took a more laid-back approach and didn't start queuing up until Thursday."

People are waiting in lines out in the rain just to get their hands on the iPhone, funny but when HD radio rolled out it was a fizzle of nothing as people were not in the Radio Shacks waiting in lines to get their HD radios.

These people ARE aware of the costs of the iPhone yet are content to pay the fees, just as they did with satelite radio.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070629/ap_on_hi_te/apple_iphone;_ylt=AjfUS3QV3X_ozI07ZWc76bDMWM0F


Radiopilot
 
Let's face it. Between the iPod and the iPhone, Apple is a proven master at creating a buzz in the marketplace for their new products. The manufacturers of HD radios and the radio stations broadcasting HD signals need to look at what Apple does...and do it quickly. It's been repeatedly predicted by a number of broadcast consultants that after today (Friday, 6/29, the roll-out day for the iPhone), there will be more iPhones in the hands of consumers than HD radios. It's slipping away from us, folks. If HD is to become more than just another footnote in radio's long history, promotional and marketing efforts need to be ramped up...NOW.
 
dumber than a box of hair said:
Let's face it. Between the iPod and the iPhone, Apple is a proven master at creating a buzz in the marketplace for their new products. The manufacturers of HD radios and the radio stations broadcasting HD signals need to look at what Apple does...and do it quickly. It's been repeatedly predicted by a number of broadcast consultants that after today (Friday, 6/29, the roll-out day for the iPhone), there will be more iPhones in the hands of consumers than HD radios. It's slipping away from us, folks. If HD is to become more than just another footnote in radio's long history, promotional and marketing efforts need to be ramped up...NOW.

"Goldman Sachs sees 14 million iPhones sold by end of 2008"

"Goldman Sachs said it believes Apple will sell more than 14 million iPhones through 2008 based on results from a recent buying intention survey. The investment firm forecasts sales of 4 million iPhones in 2007 and 10.5 million in 2008."

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ne...s-sales-of-14-million-iphones-by-end-of-2008/

“Bridge Ratings: Sweat the cell phone and don’t count on HD”

“In other words, Bridge says interest in HD radio is decreasing even as your station works hard to increase awareness. What can I possibly add to this honest and bleak picture that I haven’t said before? My well-intended warnings about HD’s “premature death” seem to be rearing their ugly heads almost two years later.”

http://www.hear2.com/2007/04/bridge_ratings_.html#comments

An intense 2006/2007 HD Radio marketing campaign made no difference - consumers remain totally apathetic ! :D
 
radiopilot said:
It's funny that HD radio wasn't a welcome technology by the masses two years ago or for that matter today, yet the iPhone is being marveled at and crazed over even though the price is twice that of HD radios.

Do you know if the iPhone is capable of receiving radio streams? A portable "Internet Radio" would be a very welcome relief from the stranglehold of local stations. I may buy one myself if it can!
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
radiopilot said:
It's funny that HD radio wasn't a welcome technology by the masses two years ago or for that matter today, yet the iPhone is being marveled at and crazed over even though the price is twice that of HD radios.

Do you know if the iPhone is capable of receiving radio streams? A portable "Internet Radio" would be a very welcome relief from the stranglehold of local stations. I may buy one myself if it can!

I'm waiting for the price to come down later this year before I get one and dump the 30G Ipod, cellphone, and laptop I carry now.

What a relief to get rid of all this baggage.

Radiopilot
 
PocketRadio said:
dumber than a box of hair said:
Let's face it. Between the iPod and the iPhone, Apple is a proven master at creating a buzz in the marketplace for their new products. The manufacturers of HD radios and the radio stations broadcasting HD signals need to look at what Apple does...and do it quickly. It's been repeatedly predicted by a number of broadcast consultants that after today (Friday, 6/29, the roll-out day for the iPhone), there will be more iPhones in the hands of consumers than HD radios. It's slipping away from us, folks. If HD is to become more than just another footnote in radio's long history, promotional and marketing efforts need to be ramped up...NOW.

"HD Marketing: Time to Go ‘Big-League’"

"The radio industry has not launched a major-league marketing campaign to promote HD Radio. The time is now."

http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0044/t.6772.html

Promote, promote, promote - here dude, why don't you email this article to Ferrera ! :D


Hmmm, you've heard of it so I guess its not a major secret. of course most people aren't so focused on a technology that it becomes the center point of their existence.
 
PocketRadio said:
radiopilot said:
[Radiopilot

As of now, the iPhone can't download iTunes, but that is supposed to change, as the iPhone will be using the 3G network in the future - it just uses the EDGE network now.

My current service is Cingular/AT&T, as far as downloading iTunes, most of my music is 'public domain' classical and jazz music along with other music already in 'wav' and mpg format ready to download into ipods or this new iPhone.

Sure it's a new product but just as the ipod, products will revolve and abound over the iPhone in a total revolution of listening and viewing.... watch. :eek:

Radiopilot
 
Re: Huh???

R.F. Burns said:
By the way, the I-Phone has nothing to do with HD radio.

Actually, it does. It is a competing technology. I'm sorry that you don't see that. Anyone who is using their I-Phone is not listening to your HD radio station.
 
PocketRadio said:
radiopilot said:
[Radiopilot

As of now, the iPhone can't download iTunes, but that is supposed to change, as the iPhone will be using the 3G network in the future - it just uses the EDGE network now.

PocketRadio: Yeah, the iPhone can't download iTunes, but that's not because of the iPhone using the 2G/EDGE Network. I just bought the Motorola v3xx (which uses the 3G/HSDPA/UMTS network) at the Cingular Retail in the mall a couple days ago. Along with that, I got the unlimited Data package. It works GREAT with downloading music, and it streams MobiRadio excellently.

Also, the iPhone is the most useless piece of garbage I've ever seen. Seriously. Go in to your Cingular store, and check out the AT&T 8525. It's got the 3G/HSDPA/UMTS Network, BlueTooth streaming music, high-quality camera, and Windows Mobile. There you go, the iPhone without Apple's OS, built in storage, and a crappy network.

Now, I like Apple. I use a MacBook Pro 15" as my laptop. It's the best laptop I've ever used. I'm just waiting for the iPhone to have more features, such as A2DP (BlueTooth capabilities to stream music through stereo bluetooth headphones), and the 3G/HSDPA/UMTS network.
 
chriscoxradio said:
PocketRadio said:
radiopilot said:
[Radiopilot

As of now, the iPhone can't download iTunes, but that is supposed to change, as the iPhone will be using the 3G network in the future - it just uses the EDGE network now.

PocketRadio: Yeah, the iPhone can't download iTunes, but that's not because of the iPhone using the 2G/EDGE Network. I just bought the Motorola v3xx (which uses the 3G/HSDPA/UMTS network) at the Cingular Retail in the mall a couple days ago. Along with that, I got the unlimited Data package. It works GREAT with downloading music, and it streams MobiRadio excellently.

Also, the iPhone is the most useless piece of garbage I've ever seen. Seriously. Go in to your Cingular store, and check out the AT&T 8525. It's got the 3G/HSDPA/UMTS Network, BlueTooth streaming music, high-quality camera, and Windows Mobile. There you go, the iPhone without Apple's OS, built in storage, and a crappy network.

Now, I like Apple. I use a MacBook Pro 15" as my laptop. It's the best laptop I've ever used. I'm just waiting for the iPhone to have more features, such as A2DP (BlueTooth capabilities to stream music through stereo bluetooth headphones), and the 3G/HSDPA/UMTS network.

I wouldn't say it's garbage, it's not even ready for any comment by the public yet.

Me, I waiting for the next generation of the iPhone so that any bugs encountered now are resolved in the next generation units.

The whole story is about how consumers are ready to fork over twice the amount of HD radios and PAY fees to get the 'content' they want over HD radio which is going nowhere! This iPhone only adds another salt to the wounds of HD radio and it's so called followers which have no clue to the direction terrestrial radio is going.

Radiopilot
 
henry said:
Heck, I'm a radio nut ... and I STILL don't own an HD radio!


There can be many reasons for this. Part economic, part, location and on and on. Hey, I don't own an HD TV yet. Most of my collegues do but I just don't think TV is that compelling. I do own 3 HD radios and at least where I live our FM dial is filled with alternative programming thanks to HD radio, which I otherwise couldn't receive unless I paid a monthly fee. We even have 5 or 6 AM HD facilities here and no matter what happens to HD, my Receptor sounds great and my Sangeans are the most sensitive FM radios (Both tuners - HDT-1 and HDT 1X) I have ever seen (Regular reception of an 8 watt station from about 25 miles away and a 11 watt stereo FM from nearly 50 miles south of my location. These stations are inaudible on my old Sansui TU-717.)
 
Re: Huh???

Chuck said:
R.F. Burns said:
By the way, the I-Phone has nothing to do with HD radio.

Actually, it does. It is a competing technology. I'm sorry that you don't see that. Anyone who is using their I-Phone is not listening to your HD radio station.

"iPhone: iPhenom... or iEdsel?"

"That’s been the case for iPods. They are fraught with problems – poor battery life, iTunes issues, clunky performance. Yet, they’re the mp3 player that everyone wants. They look great, they feel great, and they say a lot about the owner. They may not be the very best or most economical players on the market, but they are the brand that everyone wants."

http://jacobsmedia.typepad.com/jacobs/2007/06/iphone-iphenom-.html#comments

Even if the iPhone is junk, consumers are still going to buy it en-masse.
 
Thusfar (2:10pm EDT) Iphone sales are ZERO! They go on sale at 6pm. And I have no doubt they'll be a big seller for a few days, until the geeks get 'em. They may be multimedia marvels, but from what I've heard they're mediocre PHONES.

Cranky Geeks (http://www.crankygeeks.com), the same people who bring us PC Magazine, says you have to go through SIX STEPS on menus before you can begin dialing a phone number! A SIX HUNDRED DOLLAR PHONE that is very complex to use for phone calls, can ONLY work with AT&T, doesn't sound like a long-term big seller to me.

But it has AMAZING multimedia qualities, right? Well, yes and no. From what I've read the screen is a marvel...the kind of screen Ipod Video SHOULD have had. But there's no hard drive, or facility for adding one, so you're limited to (at most...on the much more expensive version) 8GB. Not very much if you're planning on actually watching movies on that gorgeous screen.

To me the Iphone looks like a bunch of devices "glued together". You have PDA functionality (man didn't those things sell well!), a media player (but with far less storage than a "real" media player), a complex and LIMITED phone (only available for AT&T), and the requirement for an expensive data plan to use many of it's features. I keep hearing people say "nothing's ever been able to do all this before!" Well that's perfectly true...if one is willing to overlook THE FACTS! My Dell Axim X51v can do EVERYTHING the Iphone can do. It has a full VGA video screen, 3d graphics processor, Wi-Fi, VAST codec support (with Core Media Player), and full duplex audio so I can (in the presence of a Wi-Fi connection) make Skype calls for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! I'd have to giggle in a coffee shop at the guy with his Iphone making calls on his 80 dollar a month data plan, while I make calls with far better audio quality for "nuttin' honey".

To me Iphones are like HD radios in that, at the moment, they're "for geeks, by geeks". Most people who want a cell phone already have one, and are locked into a long-term commitment, so they can't change providers if they want one...until their contract expires. The rest (people like me...who have never owned a cell phone, though my wife has had one for many years) won't likely be swayed no matter what the appeal. Who's left? Tech-geeks that have to have the latest toy. They'll line up around the corner and down the block (and already have) for an Iphone. The real test of sales is how many of 'em are moving in two months. Or six, when the geeks all have one.

It may be pretty, shiny, and new. It may do some things better than most anything that's come before. But honestly...just between you and me, are you REALLY going to spend 600-800 dollars FOR A CELL PHONE? I mean you can get a simple, cheap, easy to use cell phone for 50 bucks, and a PDA or portable media player for half to a third as much, and have as much, or more capability. Media players have hard drives with ten times the storage, built in radio tuners, the ability to record audio AND video, and new ones have the same wi-fi connectivity as an Iphone. Models from Archos have larger, higher resolution screens as well.

There's a helluva case to be made against this gadget. Of course people are talking now. Apple is GREAT at selling sizzle. What remains to be seen is if anybody's going to wait around to see if there's any steak.
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
radiopilot said:
It's funny that HD radio wasn't a welcome technology by the masses two years ago or for that matter today, yet the iPhone is being marveled at and crazed over even though the price is twice that of HD radios.

Do you know if the iPhone is capable of receiving radio streams? A portable "Internet Radio" would be a very welcome relief from the stranglehold of local stations. I may buy one myself if it can!

Yes, one of the great things about the iPhone is that it has wi-fi and FULL internet browsing and streaming capabilities. "Internet in your pocket", is how Steve Jobs described it.

In today's NY Times an article on the iPhone stated that the reason Apple went with AT&T's Edge instead of 3G was that 1) 3G chips are, at present, too power hungry and 2) there are not enough 3G networks nationwide. Of course, this will all change and Apple is anxious to migrate to a faster technology.

But the iPhone has definitely caught Verizon and Sprint with their pants down, Sprint especially judging from the comments from one of their spokespersons. No doubt that will change as manufacturers come out with competing products which the two cell phone providers can offer.

But what is not going to change is the fact that the iPhone is ushering in an era in which people will begin using their phones, the internet, how they communicate with each other, radio and television in totally different ways. It's an interactive communications center, a lifestyle device. HD-Radio is just a spiffed up digital version of an old communication model, passive radio listening with limited formats.

The thing is that radio stations of all flavors and sizes must not be caught with their pants down by putting all their eggs in the HD-Radio basket. Don't curse the iPhone, embrace it and exploit it.

db
 
Mike Walker said:
Thusfar (2:10pm EDT) Iphone sales are ZERO! They go on sale at 6pm. And I have no doubt they'll be a big seller for a few days, until the geeks get 'em. They may be multimedia marvels, but from what I've heard they're mediocre PHONES.

Cranky Geeks (http://www.crankygeeks.com), the same people who bring us PC Magazine, says you have to go through SIX STEPS on menus before you can begin dialing a phone number! A SIX HUNDRED DOLLAR PHONE that is very complex to use for phone calls, can ONLY work with AT&T, doesn't sound like a long-term big seller to me.

But it has AMAZING multimedia qualities, right? Well, yes and no. From what I've read the screen is a marvel...the kind of screen Ipod Video SHOULD have had. But there's no hard drive, or facility for adding one, so you're limited to (at most...on the much more expensive version) 8GB. Not very much if you're planning on actually watching movies on that gorgeous screen.

To me the Iphone looks like a bunch of devices "glued together". You have PDA functionality (man didn't those things sell well!), a media player (but with far less storage than a "real" media player), a complex and LIMITED phone (only available for AT&T), and the requirement for an expensive data plan to use many of it's features. I keep hearing people say "nothing's ever been able to do all this before!" Well that's perfectly true...if one is willing to overlook THE FACTS! My Dell Axim X51v can do EVERYTHING the Iphone can do. It has a full VGA video screen, 3d graphics processor, Wi-Fi, VAST codec support (with Core Media Player), and full duplex audio so I can (in the presence of a Wi-Fi connection) make Skype calls for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! I'd have to giggle in a coffee shop at the guy with his Iphone making calls on his 80 dollar a month data plan, while I make calls with far better audio quality for "nuttin' honey".

To me Iphones are like HD radios in that, at the moment, they're "for geeks, by geeks". Most people who want a cell phone already have one, and are locked into a long-term commitment, so they can't change providers if they want one...until their contract expires. The rest (people like me...who have never owned a cell phone, though my wife has had one for many years) won't likely be swayed no matter what the appeal. Who's left? Tech-geeks that have to have the latest toy. They'll line up around the corner and down the block (and already have) for an Iphone. The real test of sales is how many of 'em are moving in two months. Or six, when the geeks all have one.

It may be pretty, shiny, and new. It may do some things better than most anything that's come before. But honestly...just between you and me, are you REALLY going to spend 600-800 dollars FOR A CELL PHONE? I mean you can get a simple, cheap, easy to use cell phone for 50 bucks, and a PDA or portable media player for half to a third as much, and have as much, or more capability. Media players have hard drives with ten times the storage, built in radio tuners, the ability to record audio AND video, and new ones have the same wi-fi connectivity as an Iphone. Models from Archos have larger, higher resolution screens as well.

There's a helluva case to be made against this gadget. Of course people are talking now. Apple is GREAT at selling sizzle. What remains to be seen is if anybody's going to wait around to see if there's any steak.

You may not believe it and others might not but the big names in news know better:

http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/29/technology/iphone/index.htm?eref=yahoo

http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/29/magazines/fortune/iphone.fortune/index.htm

The iPhone is a revolution whether you believe it or not, HD radio is not a revolution and too bad it's 15 years too late.

Radiopilot
 
Mike Walker said:
To me Iphones are like HD radios in that, at the moment, they're "for geeks, by geeks"...

"Europes's iPod Users Will Buy iPhone"

"Half the iPod users in Europe are considering moving to the Apple iPhone as their next mobile phone, according to research from Canalys of Reading. According to Canalys: Given that the iPhone has not even shipped yet, this gives an indication of how well its brand could play in the consumer mobile phone space, but it will still need to overcome the technical and channel-related challenges entry into this market brings.”

http://www.electronicsweekly.com/ARTICLES/2007/05/24/41464/Europes+iPod+users+will+buy+iPhones.HTM

"Who Will Buy the iPhone ?"

http://valleywag.com/tech/iphone/who-will-buy-the-iphone-271119.php

Missed something - iPhones are not just for "geeks" ! :D
 
PDA users have had "FULL internet in their pocket" for many years. It went over like passing gas in church.
 
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