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iPods will not feature HD Radio

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PocketRadio

"Will iPods feature FM tuners? Nope."

"Second, Jobs knows full well that there's demand for an FM tuner in the marketplace. And that's why Apple makes such a tuner as an add-on for the iPod. Indeed, the iPod is deliberately manufactured to be the centerpiece of an ecosystem of products that "plus" the iPod, and an FM tuner is one such "plus." So arguably, this problem is solved even before it's posed as a problem."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/04/will_ipods_feat.html

"People don't buy a radio - per se"

"This fact has some obvious positive implications for HD radio that relate directly to distribution and pricing strategy (they're obvious to me, anyway, but I'm not going to spell it out here). What DiClemente is really suggesting is that a clock with a CD player will be a better way to sell an HD radio. Get it? And while he's not wrong, he's also thinking too small and too close to the top of your table."

http://www.hear2.com/2006/05/people_dont_buy.html

"HD-R Chips Getting Smaller for Varied Devices"

"Chip development to reduce the size and power consumption for HD Radio is underway. Proponents expect to see the advanced chips ready for receiver and other device makers late this year. That means these chips would be in products in 2008, said Struble. HD Radio proponents are “aggressively pursuing interfaces with radio, iPods, iTunes and Zune” to name a few, Ferrara said."

http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0049/t.2241.html

Boy, I was getting worried about this - since HD Radio will never be standard in-dash, and has been rejected by the Big Three, I was having nightmares thinking that HD Radio might be put into all future iPods; at best, if the super-efficient HD chip is ever developed, HD Radio would only be another optional add-on device (of course, there is always problematic reception). Although, HD Radio may very-well fit in here, with MSN Direct:

"Melitta ME1MSB Smart Brew Coffeemaker With MSN Direct"

http://www.spotstop.com/default.asp?newsID=162

:D
 
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PocketRadio said:
http://www.hear2.com/2007/04/will_ipods_feat.html
http://www.hear2.com/2006/05/people_dont_buy.html
http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0049/t.2241.html
http://www.spotstop.com/default.asp?newsID=162
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A few interestng items in this post.

1) The letters HD do not appear in the post about IPODS (Made up title aside).

2) The "people don't buy a radio" link has been posted here numerous times and will be a year old on Tuesday.

3) The setup piece about smaller chips is buried in a Radio World article which directs us to...

4) A 7 month old post about coffeemakers written long before Radio World piece from (Of all people) someone named Brian. "Brians" around the net are getting a lot of run on this board these days.

BTW a Radio-Info HD Radio Board record today I think. As the reality noose tightens, "FOUR" links in one post. A new record. And two of them actually mentioned HD radio.

Amazing!!

Clouseau
 
The conclusion, with the articles posted, is that iPods will not contain FM tuners, to include HD Radio. The HD Radio Alliance's announcement, reading-between-the-lines, concerning HD chips in iPods and-the-like, can only refer to HD Radio as an add-on, not built-in - there is a huge difference, in terms of market penetration.
 
Ask Ipod what the two most requested features are on Ipods? They're an FM tuner, and record capability. Hell, if Ipods could do those two things, I MIGHT EVEN BUY ONE!

These are complaints I read almost every time an Ipod is reviewed by a knowledgable publication (PC Magazine, PC World, Maximum PC, CPU, etc). or online (dl.tv, in digital, command n)...that they don't have fm, and that they can't record. These facts will keep me buying the excellent players from Archos and Creative, although the latest Creatives can't record from FM!
 
Mike Walker said:
Ask Ipod what the two most requested features are on Ipods? They're an FM tuner, and record capability. Hell, if Ipods could do those two things, I MIGHT EVEN BUY ONE!

These are complaints I read almost every time an Ipod is reviewed by a knowledgable publication (PC Magazine, PC World, Maximum PC, CPU, etc). or online (dl.tv, in digital, command n)...that they don't have fm, and that they can't record. These facts will keep me buying the excellent players from Archos and Creative, although the latest Creatives can't record from FM!
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"Review: Apple iPod Radio Remote"

http://playlistmag.com/reviews/2006/01/ipodfrmremote/index.php

Analog FM tuners for the iPod are $49 - no doubt, an HD/IBOC tuner with its licensing fees to iBiquity would be considerably more - plus, there are no AM tuners. HD/IBOC reception would be even more problematic. Lots-of-luck.
 
Funny, I have been unable to come across any articles where Apple makes any statement as to their permanent decision not to make an HD Radio receiver in the future. I mean, being that an iPod is designed to play your own music, I doubt that any FM receiver add-ons for them are flying off shelves, a I doubt even more that we'll see one for HD Radio in the near future. But, still... I haven't seen such a statement barring it. If we're just going to make stuff up, let's add a few more...

"FAA Never to Adopt HD Radio on Air Traffic Control Channels"

"New Toaster has SMART Home Interface, but No HD Radio!"

"Enormous HD Radio Chips Cannot Fit in Hearing Aids"
 
Mike Walker said:
Ask Ipod what the two most requested features are on Ipods? They're an FM tuner, and record capability. Hell, if Ipods could do those two things, I MIGHT EVEN BUY ONE!

These are complaints I read almost every time an Ipod is reviewed by a knowledgable publication (PC Magazine, PC World, Maximum PC, CPU, etc). or online (dl.tv, in digital, command n)...that they don't have fm, and that they can't record. These facts will keep me buying the excellent players from Archos and Creative, although the latest Creatives can't record from FM!
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The iPod has achieved over 70% of the U.S. market in portable music devices despite the fact that it lacks an FM radio because, frankly, iPod owners (myself included) couldn't care less if it had one. If anything, the player can be an add-on to other entertainment devices that have radios; a car stereo with iPod connectivity or an iPod dock with a radio.

As for recording with an iPod, there are many devices for recording via microphone to iPod made by Griffin and Belkin.

It has been announced that the next generation of iPod will have Wi-Max and internet support. Expect to this some time later this year. Now that is exciting because it means that any radio station will be able to reach iPod users by webstreaming.

db
 
Wow...wi-max and internet support...like products from Archos and Sandisk have NOW.

I remain convinced that the reason Ipod is so successful is a)-freaking ingenius advertising...Apple can sell ice cubes to Eskimos, and b)-Ipod owners are mostly uninformed...there aren't enough "geeks" out there to add up to these sales figures, and have no idea there's anything better out there.

My neice was crazy about her Ipod Nano until I showed her my Archos Gmini 402, which records UNCOMPRESSED .wav files through not just a microphone, but a LINE INPUT, supports MANY video formats (and can play them through a tv with no stupid docking station), and with the nifty little radio/remote control not only has FM stereo, but can record from FM!

One of the reasons FM is in such great demand is because the ground has shifted tremendously in the last couple of years. The vast majority (about 75 percent) of mp3 players these days are solid state (mostly Nanos I guess). Just two years ago they were mostly hard-drive. Solid state players are great, but they have less memory. Eventually you'll run out of "toons", so it's great to have something else to listen to. I'm a news junkie...I often travel without mp3, but NEVER travel without radio...mostly my Sony SRF-M35 AM/FM Walkman...which not only does a great job on FM, but also sounds surprisingly good on AM. If I could find an mp3 player with an FM section as good as the SRF-M35, I'd probably give it to my poor neice, who WANTS TO LISTEN TO THE RADIO!

To me, life without NPR simply isn't worth living!
 
"Digital radio and the iPod: Digital radio companies are looking to iPod integration"

"iPod users should soon be able to acquire a device that lets them listen to digital radio while they are on the move. Manufacturer Roberts Radio and digital technology company Frontier Silicon are developing the UK's first DAB/FM peripheral for iPods. A report on Broadcasting Now states that the gadget will be egg-sized, cost £49.99 and seems set to launch this autumn - with support of digital radio trade body, the Digital Radio Development Bureau."

http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itunes/news/index.cfm?newsid=18122

"Review: Apple iPod Radio Remote"

http://playlistmag.com/reviews/2006/01/ipodfrmremote/index.php

"Will iPods feature FM tuners? Nope."

"Second, Jobs knows full well that there's demand for an FM tuner in the marketplace. And that's why Apple makes such a tuner as an add-on for the iPod. Indeed, the iPod is deliberately manufactured to be the centerpiece of an ecosystem of products that "plus" the iPod, and an FM tuner is one such "plus." So arguably, this problem is solved even before it's posed as a problem."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/04/will_ipods_feat.html

Looks like the first iPod DAB/FM add-on FM tuner is set to come out this Fall, but costs a steep $100 - current analog FM add-on tuners cost $50. Also, I believe that these add-on tuners run off the iPod's internal battery. Surely, this is what iBiquity hopes to do, but it would probably be priced nearer the DAB/FM tuners, and surely, more than $50 - lots-of-luck with that one, iBiquity. And, no mention of AM.

And yes, battery life is an issue with digital radios:

"DAB with long battery life?"

"Hi, I get over 20 hours bathroom useage out of a 'Pure One'. You can get a rechargeable battery pack for them 'chargepak', which would charge inside the radio, but I get by with 6 'c' cell nimh rechargeables. Much better than my Roberts Revival ~ 6 hours on 4 nimh 'D' cells !."

http://tinyurl.com/2rt74t
 
PocketRadio said:
"Digital radio and the iPod: Digital radio companies are looking to iPod integration"

"iPod users should soon be able to acquire a device that lets them listen to digital radio while they are on the move. Manufacturer Roberts Radio and digital technology company Frontier Silicon are developing the UK's first DAB/FM peripheral for iPods. A report on Broadcasting Now states that the gadget will be egg-sized, cost £49.99 and seems set to launch this autumn - with support of digital radio trade body, the Digital Radio Development Bureau."

http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itunes/news/index.cfm?newsid=18122

"Review: Apple iPod Radio Remote"

http://playlistmag.com/reviews/2006/01/ipodfrmremote/index.php

"Will iPods feature FM tuners? Nope."

"Second, Jobs knows full well that there's demand for an FM tuner in the marketplace. And that's why Apple makes such a tuner as an add-on for the iPod. Indeed, the iPod is deliberately manufactured to be the centerpiece of an ecosystem of products that "plus" the iPod, and an FM tuner is one such "plus." So arguably, this problem is solved even before it's posed as a problem."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/04/will_ipods_feat.html

Looks like the first iPod DAB/FM add-on FM tuner is set to come out this Fall, but costs a steep $100 - current analog FM add-on tuners cost $50. Also, I believe that these add-on tuners run off the iPod's internal battery. Surely, this is what iBiquity hopes to do, but it would probably be priced nearer the DAB/FM tuners, and surely, more than $50 - lots-of-luck with that one, iBiquity. And, no mention of AM.

And yes, battery life is an issue with digital radios:

"DAB with long battery life?"

"Hi, I get over 20 hours bathroom useage out of a 'Pure One'. You can get a rechargeable battery pack for them 'chargepak', which would charge inside the radio, but I get by with 6 'c' cell nimh rechargeables. Much better than my Roberts Revival ~ 6 hours on 4 nimh 'D' cells !."

http://tinyurl.com/2rt74t
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Rather than an FM tuner, digital or analog, the next generation of iPods, due this fall, are rumored to have Wi-Max capabilities. This is a trickle down from the work Apple has been doing on the iPhone which is due out next month.

db
 
Mike Walker said:
EXCUUUUSE the hell out of me, but there IS an Apple FM tuner for the Ipod. EAT THIS LINK, and perhaps do as you tell others to...try a Google search before you post crap! After all, (according to you), the answers to all of life's questions are on Google!

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/10/apple-ipod-radio-remote-adds-fm-to-ipods/
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Are you talking to me ? Perhaps, you should reread my post, and see that this link is included:

"Review: Apple iPod Radio Remote"

http://playlistmag.com/reviews/2006/01/ipodfrmremote/index.php

Now, how do you feel ? :D
 
No, I don't click on any of your links. "How do I feel"? Like, since you knew the truth, your post was at least misleading, and at worst that you knowingly lied. This product wouldn't exist without a demand for FM by Ipod owners!

I read somewhere (maybe another radio board?) that the next gen Nano will have FM. That should put an end to this silly crap.

FACT: a helluva lot more people listen to FM radio than own Ipods. Even Apple would acknowledge that. FM is the "power app" that Ipod should hope to be attached to, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!
 
Mike Walker said:
EXCUUUUSE the hell out of me, but there IS an Apple FM tuner for the Ipod. EAT THIS LINK, and perhaps do as you tell others to...try a Google search before you post crap! After all, (according to you), the answers to all of life's questions are on Google!

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/10/apple-ipod-radio-remote-adds-fm-to-ipods/
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In fact, there are a lot of FM tuners for ipods. Just drop by your local Wal-Mart. As I understand it, they sell very well. People actually do listen to radio.
 
Quote: "I read somewhere (maybe another radio board?) that the next gen Nano will have FM."

I may actually purchase (for the first time in my life) an Ipod if this turns out to be true! 8)
 
Me too (purchasing an Ipod if it can freakin' do what every other player out there can do!)

Ipods play music just fine. It's just that players from Archos, Creative, Sandisk, etc...do that, and SO MUCH MORE...and usually cost less. Oh, and they let you actually CHOOSE where you buy music. I've tried (and left) Yahoo, Rhapsody, and Napster. I'm now with Urge, but hey...I CAN CHANGE MY MIND! I HAVE A CHOICE! Take THAT Ipod users!
 
PocketRadio said:
"Review: Apple iPod Radio Remote"

http://playlistmag.com/reviews/2006/01/ipodfrmremote/index.php

Analog FM tuners for the iPod are $49 - no doubt, an HD/IBOC tuner with its licensing fees to iBiquity would be considerably more - plus, there are no AM tuners. HD/IBOC reception would be even more problematic. Lots-of-luck.
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"Apple iPod Radio Remote - White (MA070G\A)"

"Why Do I have to Buy This?", December 22, 2006
"JUST A RIP OFF!!!!", May 3, 2006
"Poor product build, wacky design", December 11, 2006
"Reliability problems", September 1, 2006
"Disappointed", February 2, 2007
"Broken wire inside the cord", April 10, 2007
"Not very impressed"., May 1, 2007
"Too many compromises", April 14, 2006
"$50 for something you already have", November 4, 2006
"Great for radio & remote operation; bad for battery life", December 17, 2006

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...sort_by=+OverallRating&s=electronics&x=13&y=9

Even if HD Radio makes it as an iPod Radio Remote, it will have inferior reception and higher battery drain.
 
Oh it will, will it? You can not only see the future, you KNOW exactly how future, theoretical, NON-EXISTANT products will perform. How nice for you.
 
Mike Walker said:
Oh it will, will it? You can not only see the future, you KNOW exactly how future, theoretical, NON-EXISTANT products will perform. How nice for you.
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And the Ipod won't feature refridgerators either. Could this be the end of society as we know it?
 
Ipods don't need refrigeration, RF. They're already "cool" (couldn't resist).
 
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