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Is a CW-ID a legal ID?
- Thread starter TomZ
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The short answer. No.
Or an RPU repeater.
A legal ID is a legal ID, but you can run anything you want at other times (within common senses limits) as a promotion.
Not that many people would get Morse.
WTIC, Hartford, back in the Cretaceous era, used to run di-di-di-dah (the opening notes to Beethoven's Fifth symphony, & Morse for "V") before the top of the hour. Custom carried over from the 2nd world war.
Not that many people would get Morse.
WTIC, Hartford, back in the Cretaceous era, used to run di-di-di-dah (the opening notes to Beethoven's Fifth symphony, & Morse for "V") before the top of the hour. Custom carried over from the 2nd world war.
TomT said:
They still do! They had gotten special permission from the FCC during WWII to play the morse "V" for Victory. They still play it at the top of every hour, with a specially built time tone generator that fires exactly at the top of the hour, ahead of the HD and profanity delays.
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bilco
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A CW ID on a translator is legal either conventional FM or by AM'ing the carrier. BUT the legal ID must be given in voice three times a day during specific times, one window is only 10 minutes long, the other two windows are two hours long.
I've found if you are real close to an FM translator ID'ing with CW, you can often make out the ID on radios that have their limiter already driven into saturation.
I've found if you are real close to an FM translator ID'ing with CW, you can often make out the ID on radios that have their limiter already driven into saturation.
I suppose it would be the acme of foolishness to suggest looking it up on the FCC's website.
Sec. 73.1201 Station identification.
(a) When regularly required. Broadcast station identification
announcements shall be made:
(1) At the beginning and ending of each time of operation, and
(2) Hourly, as close to the hour as feasible, at a natural break in
program offerings. Television and Class A television broadcast stations
may make these announcements visually or aurally.
It reads that announcements shall be made. No code, you must announce your legal ID....in English.
Sec. 73.1201 Station identification.
(a) When regularly required. Broadcast station identification
announcements shall be made:
(1) At the beginning and ending of each time of operation, and
(2) Hourly, as close to the hour as feasible, at a natural break in
program offerings. Television and Class A television broadcast stations
may make these announcements visually or aurally.
It reads that announcements shall be made. No code, you must announce your legal ID....in English.
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bilco
Guest
Thanks Tomz. I stand corrected. The time windows I mentioned are only when being ID'd aurally by the originating station. If a CW ID is used, once an hour without the originating Station doing the Aural ID the rules are different. However in 74.1283 I don't see anything specifying when in the hour that must occur, merely once each hour. Presumably that would match the part 73 rules, but it does not seem to be spelled out. I would guess that a station using a CW audible ID would want it at specific times, but the relatively inaudible Amplitude modulated ID could be done at any time without interupting programming. I've only had one Translator that ID'd that way, in Boulder CO 25 + yearas ago for a Denver station where I worked. Every other Translator I've had has depended on the originating station ID'ing the Translator by giving the call sign on the main channal at the three designated windows.
Bengalsfan said:
I completely agree that it's not legal, but for the sake of argument... where does it say the announcement has to be in English? I've heard Spanish-formatted stations do their legal in Spanish. It says an announcement, but nowhere in that section does it specify in what manner that announcement is to be made.
Again for the record though, I agree that Morse doesn't count.
Just bury the legal! Super fast, super processed, effects, no listener will really notice it.
reelyreal said:
I asked an FCC field agent one day that question. His response was that as long as the official language of the country is English, the IDs are expected to be in English. He said that it was not outlined in the rules because when that rule was written, we didn't have the problems we do now with people trying to cater to a certain sect of people who speak a different language.
satech said:
You want to split hairs, satech, fine. English is the de facto national language of the United States, with 82% of the population claiming it as a mother tongue, and some 96% claiming to speak it "well" or "very well". Regardless, when an FCC field agent tells me that the IDs are expected to be in english, I make damn sure my legal IDs are in english.
reelyreal said:
Actually, it was more of a song and dance as to reacquire the three letter call letters. They only said KKHJ at the top of the hour and in English. Gordon McLendon changed the call letters of KTSA to KAKI in reference to the military but later found out "KAKI" was slang in Spanish for baby poop. He changed the call letters back to KTSA.
Here is a question, if you do use CW as an ID for a translator is there a standard regarding the rate of words per minute?
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