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Is AAR a Way to Dodge Campaign Finance Reform?

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fred flintstone

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An Op-Ed piece originally published in the Washington Times and now being re-posted on various Internet sites and blogs says "yes."
John R. Lott Jr. and Bradley A. Smith said:
Special treatment for Air America

When is a campaign donation not a campaign donation? Apparently if you spend the money to run a radio program instead of paying for campaign ads that run on that same program. Just look at Air America. With $41 million in losses since 2004, and $9.8 million owed just to Robert Glaser, RealNetworks chairman, Democrats who bankrolled this "company" weren't so much investors as campaign contributors. The losses are seen as simple business ineptitude,but Air America effectively, and perhaps intentionally, cleverly avoided the campaign finance limits which Democrats had worked so hard to pass.

With McCain-Feingold's "hard money" donation limits of $2,000 per candidate and "soft money" limits to party campaign committees of $57,500, there is no way that Mr. Glaser or other wealthy Democratic donors could have legally given such large sums directly to Democrats. But Air America provided a vehicle for their multimillion-dollar political campaigns. ...

Air America merely follows a grand tradition of circumvention by the very people who have supported campaign-finance regulation. ...

The big innovation for Air America was using the bankruptcy laws to turn non-Democrats into involuntary campaign donors. Not only are Democratic "investors" out in the cold, but landlords, limo services, law firms, stations that sold Air America air time and state governments are owed money....

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A disturbing assessment. If valid, it would also likely apply to Nova M which has hired Howard Dean's former fund-raiser. Both AAR and Nova M have stated that their primary corporate purposes are to influence the electoral process. Of course, on the right wing side of talk radio, it's an even better deal. Corporations can make "campaign contributions" to underwrite Rush, Hannity and the rest to deliver the Republican message, and they get to run ads to promote their business while they promote the GOP party line. And it's all deductible.
 
So that must explain...

1. Media day at the White House, which was filled with nothing but conservative talk show hosts and two guys from NPR.

2. Hannity bragging about "joining the campaign trail" in Ohio, and campaigning for GOP candidates.

And keep in mind the source. The Wash Times is a right-wing rag owned by cult leader Sun Myung Moon. While so-called fundamentalist Republicans trash any non-Christian religion, they have a soft spot for Moon. So much that they even threw a party for him in the halls of Congress:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61932-2004Jun22.html

And Joe Trippi has been working in the private sector for the past few years. To the best of my knowledge, he wasn't employed by the government or the DNC. He simply worked for Howard Dean's campaign. Also worked as a pundit, most notably at MSNBC.
 
fred flintstone said:
Is AAR a Way to Dodge Campaign Finance Reform?


The right-wing would never use radio to get around campaign finance reform rules - see articles pasted below:


http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20031221-100044-6378r.htm

The NRA' s announcement

By John R. Lott Jr.

When is a television station not a television station? How about if it is owned by the National Rifle Association (NRA)? It may not seem momentous, but the NRA's announcement this week that it might buy a television or radio station has sent shock waves through campaign finance regulation advocates and may ultimately undo last week's Supreme Court Decision upholding McCain-Feingold. If the NRA were recognized as a media organization, it would be free to say what it wanted about political candidates, unconstrained by any campaign finance laws. No worries about restrictions on independent campaign expenditures. ...

[Click link above for the complete newspaper article.]


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/16/politics/main612241.shtml

News In NRA's Sights

WASHINGTON, April 16, 2004

(CBS/AP) The National Rifle Association is creating a news corporation, starting an Internet talk show and preparing to buy a radio station to speak about candidates and gun rights at election time despite new political ad limits. ...

[Click link above for the complete newspaper article.]


http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/lott200312190912.asp

December 19, 2003, 9:12 a.m.
Supreme Irrelevance
Will the high court be undone by political reality?

By John R. Lott Jr.

When is a television station not a television station? How about if it is owned by the National Rifle Association? It may not seem momentous, but the NRA's announcement this week that it might buy a television or radio station has sent shockwaves through campaign-finance-regulation advocates and may ultimately undo last week's Supreme Court decision upholding McCain-Feingold. If the NRA were recognized as a media organization, it would be free to say what it wanted about political candidates, not constrained by any campaign-finance laws. No worries about restrictions on independent campaign expenditures. ...

[Click link above for the complete newspaper article.]


http://www.lewrockwell.com/lott/lott23.html

NRA-TV

by John R. Lott, Jr.

When is a television station not a television station? How about if it is owned by the National Rifle Association? It may not seem momentous, but the NRA's announcement this week that it might buy a television or radio station has sent shockwaves through campaign-finance-regulation advocates and may ultimately undo last week's Supreme Court decision upholding McCain-Feingold. If the NRA were recognized as a media organization, it would be free to say what it wanted about political candidates, not constrained by any campaign-finance laws. No worries about restrictions on independent campaign expenditures. ...

[Click link above for the complete newspaper article.]
 
One link to a given article is enough. :D

It is interesting, though, that John Lott's (any relation to Trent?) articles do seem to pop up all over the place, and that he is willing even handedly to apply the same scrutiny to the NRA as to AAR. (Good for him.)
 
Boy, I'm sure glad that the left-wingers like Joe Trippi are as pure as the wind-driven snow.

One other thing..."Also worked as a pundit...at MSNBC" is a contradiction in terms. If MSNBC were a newspaper it would be a left-wing rag.

FightingIrish said:
And Joe Trippi has been working in the private sector for the past few years. To the best of my knowledge, he wasn't employed by the government or the DNC. He simply worked for Howard Dean's campaign. Also worked as a pundit, most notably at MSNBC.
 
More AAR Paranoia

fred flintstone said:
An Op-Ed piece originally published in the Washington Times and now being re-posted on various Internet sites and blogs says "yes."

Sh*t Ethel, pick me up off the floor... I can't hardly believe it! :)

You mean the right wing press is going to attack Air America? Wow.

When is a campaign donation not a campaign donation? Apparently if you spend the money to run a radio program instead of paying for campaign ads that run on that same program. Just look at Air America. With $41 million in losses since 2004, and $9.8 million owed just to Robert Glaser, RealNetworks chairman, Democrats who bankrolled this "company" weren't so much investors as campaign contributors. The losses are seen as simple business ineptitude,but Air America effectively, and perhaps intentionally, cleverly avoided the campaign finance limits which Democrats had worked so hard to pass.

An Unequalizer-like House of Logic Cards waiting to fall. Let's just look at the premise list:

1) An investment in AAR is a campaign donation.
2) Radio programs are just hidden extended length political commercials.
3) Only Democrats bankrolled this "company" when they were really secret campaign contributors.
4) AAR management cleverly designed the company (which went into Chapter 11) as a way to wash campaign money.

Oooh... I can't wait to quote the evidence back up these assertions. And here it is:












Uh oh. No evidence? When has that ever stopped these people before?

Air America merely follows a grand tradition of circumvention by the very people who have supported campaign-finance regulation. ...

The big innovation for Air America was using the bankruptcy laws to turn non-Democrats into involuntary campaign donors. Not only are Democratic "investors" out in the cold, but landlords, limo services, law firms, stations that sold Air America air time and state governments are owed money....

The first part assumes that the Times actually proved their case, which they most certainly have not. I could call the Washington Times a secret front for the Nazi movement in America, slowly infiltrating its way into America to pave the way for the return of the teeny tiny moustache, concentration camps, and a desire to re-liberate Poland. Do I need any evidence? Not using the standards at the Washington Times. Just believe and trust us! We're the same ones that said there were definitely WMD in Iraq.

The second part conveniently confuses a chapter 7 liquidation with a chapter 11 reorganization. While creditors cannot pursue their money in court or collections at this time, no court has liquidated the debt at this time. It's still owing and payable at a time when a repayment plan is approved by the court.

Of course, our neighbor's cat knew that, but it escapes the Times. I wonder why.

A disturbing assessment.

Oh please... the handwringing. The faux concern. The bad acting.

Both AAR and Nova M have stated that their primary corporate purposes are to influence the electoral process.

Show us. Where in their corporate papers does it say this?

Of course, on the right wing side of talk radio, it's an even better deal. Corporations can make "campaign contributions" to underwrite Rush, Hannity and the rest to deliver the Republican message, and they get to run ads to promote their business while they promote the GOP party line. And it's all deductible.

This halfhearted "bipartisan" comment tossed in like croutons on this Salad of Shame does nothing. This was an utterly pointless Unequalizer-like commentary on the part of the Washington Times, no friend of anything to the left of Arlen Specter, with absolutely no evidence. Instead this half-baked commentary was nothing more than layer upon layer of thin phyllo dough which, upon even the slightest reflection, crumbles in one's hands.

The Washington Times can next write how I am secretly being financed by the TV Food Network because I alluded to food items at least twice in one post.
 
Phil, I suppose you will tell us how its different when the NRA tries it.
(Did you read the NRA article?)

It's amazing how your standards shift depending on somebody's politics.
 
fred flintstone said:
Phil, I suppose you will tell us how its different when the NRA tries it.
(Did you read the NRA article?)

It's amazing how your standards shift depending on somebody's politics.

The NRA has been talking about starting a shortwave station, a TV outlet, and everything else under the sun for years now, and it's been vaporware. The reason for that perhaps is that gun control has become a dead issue politically. There isn't a Democrat running with gun issues high on their platform. Why spend money battling on something that is barely an issue anymore? If the NRA wants to run a shortwave outlet, let them.

What is amazing to me is that you post this stuff and then feign surprise and ponder whether it's all true and what that could mean. As if an empty fancy fact-free commentary from the Times is worth even a minute to dwell on without a single shred of evidence. Why in the world should I debate "standards" over one fact-free commentary and another dated article about vaporware from the NRA?

Perhaps in the future one could actually consider whether or not such items even warrant posting here. There is enough stuff actually living in the land of reality to talk about - no need for us to linger in the Fiction section.
 
I read the article. I found its logic valid and persuasive enough to make this a question and an issue worth considering.

You are quick to dismiss anything that doesn't fit how you want things to be.
 
fred flintstone said:
I read the article. I found its logic valid and persuasive enough to make this a question and an issue worth considering.

You are quick to dismiss anything that doesn't fit how you want things to be.

Feel free to ponder fact and depth-free nonsense from the right wing press all you like. Just don't be surprised if the rest of us don't. I'm quick to dismiss anything that doesn't come with even the slightest bit of evidence to back it up. If you want to set your bar so low that it's lying on the ground, good luck with that.
 
Phillip Dampier said:
The NRA has been talking about starting a shortwave station, a TV outlet, and everything else under the sun for years now, and it's been vaporware. The reason for that perhaps is that gun control has become a dead issue politically. There isn't a Democrat running with gun issues high on their platform. Why spend money battling on something that is barely an issue anymore? If the NRA wants to run a shortwave outlet, let them.

Might one expect that if The NRA were to put in a bid for Clear Channel, as it offers to sell itself, that you would be as supportive...or at least not protest...just "let them"?
 
AKLes said:
Might one expect that if The NRA were to put in a bid for Clear Channel, as it offers to sell itself, that you would be as supportive...or at least not protest...just "let them"?

The NRA doesn't have enough money to buy Clear Channel. Exxon Mobil yes, NRA no. And your apparent effort to presume I am an opponent of the NRA also fails. I am actually quite supportive of gun owners' rights.
 
Too bad Charlton Heston still isn't running things at the NRA.
He could go to Lowry Mays and just tell him to sell the stations to him ("Let my stations go!")
Lowry wouldn't do it right away but then....
Locusts, toads, hail, the San Antonio River turns red....
Lowry probably wouldn't wait for his first born male child (is it Mark or Randy?) to keel over.
 
Phillip Dampier said:
The NRA doesn't have enough money to buy Clear Channel. Exxon Mobil yes, NRA no. And your apparent effort to presume I am an opponent of the NRA also fails. I am actually quite supportive of gun owners' rights.

I had no intent to suggest that The NRA might even think of buying all of Clear Channel. Just picking up some of the crumbs; perhaps a station or two--no more.
I doubt it would happen but it certainly would introduce some new life into conversation concerning freedom of speech, campaign contributions, more....

Glad to hear of your belief in The 2nd Amendment! Heartening, indeed.
 
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