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atlantainrearviewmirror
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Thats some sad stuff...and he knew what he was saying. Bob really outta keep his mouth shut because he always seems to stick his foot in it. He is always grumping about arbitron and royalties...same story every 3 months. First, arbitron delivers him millions and millions of rev support and he keeps beating them up - how stupid. Secondly, pay the royalties Bob and stop crybabying. The song writers deserve the measly money you give them and more - because you are making money off them...I dont get this guy at all...he complains about all the things that GIVE HIM MONEY....
Maybe its time for a visit to Hawaii for Bob w grandma Cox.
Maybe its time for a visit to Hawaii for Bob w grandma Cox.
Pay the performer, only if the performer pays for the airplay. On that he's correct.
He says he has no idea who testified... I believe him. He's too intelligent to make remarks aimed at any race. Although I can see Fox doing their level best to paint him that way... after all, every place his company competes with Fox, Cox eats their lunch. It's a crying shame that 'news' gets twisted that way.
He says he has no idea who testified... I believe him. He's too intelligent to make remarks aimed at any race. Although I can see Fox doing their level best to paint him that way... after all, every place his company competes with Fox, Cox eats their lunch. It's a crying shame that 'news' gets twisted that way.
It's all a bunch of crap! Bob Neil said nothing wrong and was no way a racist remark. I get so tired of racist this and racist that. It's really getting OLD. If it were not for radio he's right the artist would be nowhere for the most part. I think they need to pay to get their music aired. How's that? :-*
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Art Sutton
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amlover said:It's all a bunch of crap! Bob Neil said nothing wrong and was no way a racist remark. I get so tired of racist this and racist that. It's really getting OLD. If it were not for radio he's right the artist would be nowhere for the most part. I think they need to pay to get their music aired. How's that? :-*
Bob Neil is one of the few group operators who has defended community standards in radio and has been candid about industry matters. To suggest he is racist is silly. Cox is among the most progressive companies in the business when it comes to company benefits, etc. to all employees and their spouses.
The sad fact is most of the artists who are complaining are those who haven't had a hit in decades and weren't as smart as today's singers who make sure they are co-writers of the songs and can share in the royalties. It's not the fault of radio if they got shafted by their record companies.
I hope the radio industry will join together and simply ban the music of these artists and then let's see how important radio has been to their careers.
Art Sutton said:amlover said:It's all a bunch of crap! Bob Neil said nothing wrong and was no way a racist remark. I get so tired of racist this and racist that. It's really getting OLD. If it were not for radio he's right the artist would be nowhere for the most part. I think they need to pay to get their music aired. How's that? :-*
Bob Neil is one of the few group operators who has defended community standards in radio and has been candid about industry matters. To suggest he is racist is silly. Cox is among the most progressive companies in the business when it comes to company benefits, etc. to all employees and their spouses.
The sad fact is most of the artists who are complaining are those who haven't had a hit in decades and weren't as smart as today's singers who make sure they are co-writers of the songs and can share in the royalties. It's not the fault of radio if they got shafted by their record companies.
I hope the radio industry will join together and simply ban the music of these artists and then let's see how important radio has been to their careers.
You nailed it. Radio has helped the record companies make billions of dollars. Unlike composers who get royalties in part because they are largely independent writers, performers are essentially employees of the record companies and make money through music sales, concerts and marketing. If the performers can't negotiate a good deal with the record companies that employ them, it's not radio's fault. While I feel for Mr. Moore's plight, I strongly disagree with his idea of making radio pay for the unfairness of his recording deal due to the greed of some past record company owners.
Okay, I don't see a racist remark from Bob Neil. Funny though, Sam Moore wants him fired for his remarks. But, lets
let Michael Vick play! Let the legal process work! If Imus or Bob Neil makes an offensive remark (intentionally or Not),
then they should be fired, but if the case of Vick being indicted then we should let him play ball. I see a double standard!
let Michael Vick play! Let the legal process work! If Imus or Bob Neil makes an offensive remark (intentionally or Not),
then they should be fired, but if the case of Vick being indicted then we should let him play ball. I see a double standard!
Cox is among the most progressive companies in the business when it comes to company benefits, etc. to all employees and their spouses.
Of course they also have a reputation for working people 29 hours a week so they don't get those benefits.
Ironic how this comes from a company that has a reputation for muzzling talent and making radio as un-spontaenous an experience as is humanly possible... except of course for the inflammatory Neil Boortz, who seems to have free reign.
I'd say "The Real Bob Neil" needs to follow the advice he gives his "talent"... STICK TO THE LINER CARDS!!!
So Sam Moore (Sam & Dave) thinks broadcasters make money because we play his music? Somebody needs to clue Mr. Moore in on the harsh reality of his business. We make money by selling advertising to local businesses, not from playing one of his songs. Songs simply fill the space between commercials. Mr. Moore should be happy that one of his songs is still played by radio stations. Otherwise, he would have fallen into total obscurity like so many other artists over the years.
At my station in Clarksdale, Mississippi, the morning show is co-hosted by a local blues artist, Bill "Howl-N-Madd" Perry. Since he's been on the morning show, his CD sales have gone up and he's getting more club bookings as well. Unlike Mr. Moore, Mr. Perry is smart enough to realize what Radio exposure has done for his musical career.
George Jones made an issue over country stations no longer playing his songs. And I'm sure Barry Manilow and countless others would love to have Radio stations play their music again. I don't currently play Sam & Dave or Judy Collins (she's pushing for performance rights fees too) songs on any of my radio stations. However, if I did, I'd remove them from the playlist immediately. Radio should put all artists on notice that if they push for performance rights fees, we'll simply quit playing the ones who do. We're tired of being squeezed for money.
LF
At my station in Clarksdale, Mississippi, the morning show is co-hosted by a local blues artist, Bill "Howl-N-Madd" Perry. Since he's been on the morning show, his CD sales have gone up and he's getting more club bookings as well. Unlike Mr. Moore, Mr. Perry is smart enough to realize what Radio exposure has done for his musical career.
George Jones made an issue over country stations no longer playing his songs. And I'm sure Barry Manilow and countless others would love to have Radio stations play their music again. I don't currently play Sam & Dave or Judy Collins (she's pushing for performance rights fees too) songs on any of my radio stations. However, if I did, I'd remove them from the playlist immediately. Radio should put all artists on notice that if they push for performance rights fees, we'll simply quit playing the ones who do. We're tired of being squeezed for money.
LF
I also agree that Bob Neil is right on the money with his remarks.
And I agree with Larry Fuss - owner/operators are sick of the "artists" trying to bleed them dry with "performance" fees. ASCAP and BMI audits are/were always a pain.....it always seemed to me that the performers/record companies should be paying radio stations - not the other way around. As a matter of fact, when music radio first started, there was a "payola problem." Back then, record company execs and the artists understood who was benefitting who.....
Enough with the hero worship in our culture! Who cares if Madonna gets played on the radio?? Let the pop stars go pound sand if they don't like it!!
And I agree with Larry Fuss - owner/operators are sick of the "artists" trying to bleed them dry with "performance" fees. ASCAP and BMI audits are/were always a pain.....it always seemed to me that the performers/record companies should be paying radio stations - not the other way around. As a matter of fact, when music radio first started, there was a "payola problem." Back then, record company execs and the artists understood who was benefitting who.....
Enough with the hero worship in our culture! Who cares if Madonna gets played on the radio?? Let the pop stars go pound sand if they don't like it!!
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kyscott
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Sam Moore is the one that needs to shut the hell up. Or would he rather get an invoice for all the air play of his music.
It used to be than when someone called someone else they were having an argument with a Nazi, that person automaticly lost the argument. It's getting to be that way with the "racist" term. All Moore can to to refute Neil's argument is call him a racist? The only race involved in this dispute is the music industry’s race to self destruction.
It used to be than when someone called someone else they were having an argument with a Nazi, that person automaticly lost the argument. It's getting to be that way with the "racist" term. All Moore can to to refute Neil's argument is call him a racist? The only race involved in this dispute is the music industry’s race to self destruction.
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jbaxter
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kyscott said:Sam Moore is the one that needs to shut the hell up. Or would he rather get an invoice for all the air play of his music.
It used to be than when someone called someone else they were having an argument with a Nazi, that person automaticly lost the argument. It's getting to be that way with the "racist" term. All Moore can to to refute Neil's argument is call him a racist? The only race involved in this dispute is the music industry’s race to self destruction.
Actually, Bob Neil he would have taken being called a Nazi as a compliment. Bob's hero worship of Adolph Hitler was well known over at White Columns. The man actually OWNS an SS uniform (extra small).
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kyscott
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lfuss said:Upon further checking, I discovered that one of my stations still had "Soul Man" in a Friday/Party category. However, it's gone now.
Can you put the Blues Brother's version in rotation instead?
More thoughts on performance rights fees:
Sam Wilson (the names have been changed to protect the stupid) was one-half of the famous singing duo of Sam & Willie. They had several big hits back in the 60s, several of which were million sellers. Sam made lots of money, but squandered it all on a lavish lifestyle that included drugs, booze, and loose women. Several of Sam & Willie's songs are still played on oldies stations today, and Sam feels that such stations should have to pay him because "they are making money off my hard work."
Bubba Smith was employed by the State Highway Department back in the 60s. Bubba was the foreman of the crew that built the I-20 bridge over the Mississippi River. Like Sam, Bubba made a lot of money too. It was, after all, a union job. Bubba squandered all his money on a lifestyle that included hunting trips to Arkansas, lots of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer, and frequent visits to the local strip club where he was often spotted sticking $20 bills in the garter belt of Earline, Bubba's favorite. Today, thousands of people drive across the bridge that Bubba helped build, and many delivery trucks use the bridge. Bubba feels that he should get a residual every time somebody drives over the I-20 bridge, because "those truckers are making money off my hard work."
See how ridiculous this is?
Sam and Bubba both got paid for doing what they were doing when they did it. Why should anybody be obligated to pay them anything now?
LF
Sam Wilson (the names have been changed to protect the stupid) was one-half of the famous singing duo of Sam & Willie. They had several big hits back in the 60s, several of which were million sellers. Sam made lots of money, but squandered it all on a lavish lifestyle that included drugs, booze, and loose women. Several of Sam & Willie's songs are still played on oldies stations today, and Sam feels that such stations should have to pay him because "they are making money off my hard work."
Bubba Smith was employed by the State Highway Department back in the 60s. Bubba was the foreman of the crew that built the I-20 bridge over the Mississippi River. Like Sam, Bubba made a lot of money too. It was, after all, a union job. Bubba squandered all his money on a lifestyle that included hunting trips to Arkansas, lots of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer, and frequent visits to the local strip club where he was often spotted sticking $20 bills in the garter belt of Earline, Bubba's favorite. Today, thousands of people drive across the bridge that Bubba helped build, and many delivery trucks use the bridge. Bubba feels that he should get a residual every time somebody drives over the I-20 bridge, because "those truckers are making money off my hard work."
See how ridiculous this is?
Sam and Bubba both got paid for doing what they were doing when they did it. Why should anybody be obligated to pay them anything now?
LF
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kyscott
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lfuss said:More thoughts on performance rights fees:
Bubba Smith was employed by the State Highway Department back in the 60s. Bubba was the foreman of the crew that built the I-20 bridge over the Mississippi River. Like Sam, Bubba made a lot of money too. It was, after all, a union job. Bubba squandered all his money on a lifestyle that included hunting trips to Arkansas, lots of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer, and frequent visits to the local strip club where he was often spotted sticking $20 bills in the garter belt of Earline, Bubba's favorite. Today, thousands of people drive across the bridge that Bubba helped build, and many delivery trucks use the bridge. Bubba feels that he should get a residual every time somebody drives over the I-20 bridge, because "those truckers are making money off my hard work."
I think you have been reading your Lewis Grizzard books again?
A perfect analogy Larry...it shows how idiotic the whole argument is!
I, again, must agree with Bob Neil on this one.
It is refreshing to note that there is very little support, outside of the arts crowd, for this hogwash.
I, again, must agree with Bob Neil on this one.
It is refreshing to note that there is very little support, outside of the arts crowd, for this hogwash.
Now, if Bubba was to show some pictures of the interstate bridge in Minnesota, and then tell the Mississippi DOT "For a modest honorarium, I'll show you the gusset plates the union installed on Friday afternoons", he could regenerate some of the compensation. Likewise, if Sam does a remix and recuts the song, he can (maybe) sell some copies of it.
Otherwise, tough toenails.
Otherwise, tough toenails.
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