...horsespit. You made the claim, you substantiate it. I don't play that game, pal...Don C said:
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Is Comcast Killing Off Progressive Talk?
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...horsespit. You made the claim, you substantiate it. I don't play that game, pal...
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Actually, no I didn't. You getting your ad hominem attacks mixed up.
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Actually, no I didn't. You getting your ad hominem attacks mixed up.
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Bob1370
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"So NPR is commercial? I thought it was taxpayer funded liberal talk.
Comcast wants to make money."
NPR, and all its member stations except for those in a few states which are part of a state university-owned public radio system (mostly in the South and Midwest) get minimal tax support at either the federal, state or local level. The main funding streams accounting for almost all the operating funds of the network and its affiliates are;
1)Membership revenue contributed by listeners, which goes both to member stations for local programming, and are paid by member stations to NPR in exchange for the right to carry their national programs
2)Underwriting announcements sold by local stations and by NPR to businesses and nonprofit organizations wishing to call attention to their work (also non-governmental in origin)
3)The Kroc Foundation, which gave a $200+ million endowment, interest income of which helps defray NPR's news operation budget
Uncle Sam doesn't figure significantly on the list, less than a penny on the dollar, all of which goes to specific arts and culture programs underwritten by the National Endowment for the Arts and/or National Endowment for the Humanities, and NONE of which--not a penny--goes to the daily news programs.
Bottom line; Uncle Sam has essentially zip to do with NPR and most of its member stations, which are just about as private in their funding sources for daily operations as NBC. But like NBC, it gets a significant infusion of cash from the folks who bring you the Big Mac and the Happy Meal.
Thought you'd like to know.
And yes, you can have fries with that...
Comcast wants to make money."
NPR, and all its member stations except for those in a few states which are part of a state university-owned public radio system (mostly in the South and Midwest) get minimal tax support at either the federal, state or local level. The main funding streams accounting for almost all the operating funds of the network and its affiliates are;
1)Membership revenue contributed by listeners, which goes both to member stations for local programming, and are paid by member stations to NPR in exchange for the right to carry their national programs
2)Underwriting announcements sold by local stations and by NPR to businesses and nonprofit organizations wishing to call attention to their work (also non-governmental in origin)
3)The Kroc Foundation, which gave a $200+ million endowment, interest income of which helps defray NPR's news operation budget
Uncle Sam doesn't figure significantly on the list, less than a penny on the dollar, all of which goes to specific arts and culture programs underwritten by the National Endowment for the Arts and/or National Endowment for the Humanities, and NONE of which--not a penny--goes to the daily news programs.
Bottom line; Uncle Sam has essentially zip to do with NPR and most of its member stations, which are just about as private in their funding sources for daily operations as NBC. But like NBC, it gets a significant infusion of cash from the folks who bring you the Big Mac and the Happy Meal.
Thought you'd like to know.
And yes, you can have fries with that...
Bob1370 said:
Then why do NPR supporters have fits and cry "censorship" every time someone suggests taking that "one cent on the dollar" in rough financial times?
...you didn't make a claim that Ed Schultz made a dozen factual errors a day? Everyone looking at this page can see you did, so either you're fibbing or schizophrenic ;D ...Don C said:
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And yet, PHC has thousands of loyal listeners. Which I suppose is why they "get away with it" - because people actually like the program.
...you didn't make a claim that Ed Schultz made a dozen factual errors a day? Everyone looking at this page can see you did, so either you're fibbing or schizophrenic ;D ...
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I'm not the one you challenged to find 12 "unfactual" liberal radio examples.
But here you go, pick any 12 from 58 pages of examples from this search:
http://newsbusters.org/search/node/ed schultz
Maybe they're not all from the same day, but you get the point. There are a few well researched liberal hosts that present their case well. Ed isn't one of them.
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I'm not the one you challenged to find 12 "unfactual" liberal radio examples.
But here you go, pick any 12 from 58 pages of examples from this search:
http://newsbusters.org/search/node/ed schultz
Maybe they're not all from the same day, but you get the point. There are a few well researched liberal hosts that present their case well. Ed isn't one of them.
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JimmyJames
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Except that PHC is one of the most listened to shows in public radio history and drives a huge amount of donations to stations that carry it.
Keillor may himself be a liberal or have liberal humor in his program, but PHC also spotlights other performers and music, and isn't a "lib talk" program at all. PHC and NPR have no bearing on the market for or against liberal/progressive talk radio. The most popular NPR programming is news in drivetimes and shows like CarTalk and PHC, not politically oriented talk shows.
And until a station takes a liberal host who also understands radio pacing and formats and can be entertaining, commits to the program and puts it on a full powered signal and markets it, a progressive show won't set the radio world ablaze. It's not just about ideology.
Keillor may himself be a liberal or have liberal humor in his program, but PHC also spotlights other performers and music, and isn't a "lib talk" program at all. PHC and NPR have no bearing on the market for or against liberal/progressive talk radio. The most popular NPR programming is news in drivetimes and shows like CarTalk and PHC, not politically oriented talk shows.
And until a station takes a liberal host who also understands radio pacing and formats and can be entertaining, commits to the program and puts it on a full powered signal and markets it, a progressive show won't set the radio world ablaze. It's not just about ideology.
...what a laugh. Baghdad Bob was more credible than Newsbusters has ever been...Don C said:
Some are saying the Corp. For Public Broadcasting, taxpayer funded, gives more to public radio than most think. I'm all for private individuals, corporations, and foundations giving to public radio
but not taxpayer funding (though note below about "foundations")
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=220205
>>But almost one-quarter – 23 percent – of the money NPR gets comes from the taxpayers, meaning congressional chatter about defunding NPR over the Juan Williams firing could pose a serious threat to the organization
(We might be talking NPR itself not so much member stations, but...)
Technically:
>>Browning estimates that NPR's 900 member stations receive approximately 41 percent of their funding directly or indirectly from taxpayers, primarily through tax deductions, grants from government-funded universities, and direct grants by federal, state and local governments.
Stations funded by public universities--your tax dollars!
but not taxpayer funding (though note below about "foundations")
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=220205
>>But almost one-quarter – 23 percent – of the money NPR gets comes from the taxpayers, meaning congressional chatter about defunding NPR over the Juan Williams firing could pose a serious threat to the organization
(We might be talking NPR itself not so much member stations, but...)
Technically:
>>Browning estimates that NPR's 900 member stations receive approximately 41 percent of their funding directly or indirectly from taxpayers, primarily through tax deductions, grants from government-funded universities, and direct grants by federal, state and local governments.
Stations funded by public universities--your tax dollars!
raccoonradio said:
That's nice to say, but the tax laws have been changed over the years, making charital deductions less adventageous than they once were. As a result of that, as well as the current depression, contributions to non-profits, including public radio have dropped.
The second fact is that most other non-profits receive forms of government funding beyond the tax breaks. Arts, educational, medical, minority, and even some religious organizations receive taxpayer dollars. Why single out public radio?
raccoonradio said:
Bob, surely you've got a better source than WND, of all places, if you're going to try to sell us this kind of fuzzy math, don't you?
To get to that "23%" figure, the author of the WND piece has to resort to some pretty dubious logic, creating mythical "taxpayer contributions" out of the value of the tax deductions received by donors.
There doesn't seem to be a lot of logical consistency between saying "I'm all for private individuals, corporations and foundations giving to public radio" and then using an invented number based on those gifts to further criticize what you just claimed to support. There is a long history in our nation's tax system of providing tax benefits to encourage charitable giving. It long predates public broadcasting, and it would require some pretty dramatic societal changes to make it go away.
Then the author takes an even bigger leap, trying to count the programming fees paid by local stations as taxpayer money as well. By that same line of logic, then, NSTAR is "taxpayer supported" when WBUR pays its power bill, or Verizon becomes "taxpayer supported" when WGBH pays its phone bill.
And that's not even addressing one of the biggest misconceptions in the piece you linked: Federal money almost never goes to stations without strings attached. It's targeted to - and strictly audited for compliance with - specific programming initiatives or technical projects, generally designed to promote the sorts of educational programs or broadcast service to remote areas that can't be sustained in other ways.
Ultimajock said:
Would you care to provide any evidence of this? There are dozens of clips there of Ed Schultz clearly sticking his foot in his mouth.
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