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Is HD the savior to Dance on FM?

J

jras20

Well I didnt care for either Satellite service dance selections that much. (especially the sound quality) I wonder if HD would be the key in having Dance back onto the free airwaves? I would hope there would be a diffrent alternitive instead of Satellite radio or Internet radio.<P ID="signature">______________
jras20</P>
 
> Well I didnt care for either Satellite service dance
> selections that much. (especially the sound quality) I
> wonder if HD would be the key in having Dance back onto the
> free airwaves? I would hope there would be a diffrent
> alternitive instead of Satellite radio or Internet radio.

We have enough of a problem getting the format accepted....now you want an already "hell freezes over" event to include the money, licensing, et al for IBOC?

Good luck.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> Well I didnt care for either Satellite service dance
> selections that much. (especially the sound quality) I
> wonder if HD would be the key in having Dance back onto the
> free airwaves? I would hope there would be a diffrent
> alternitive instead of Satellite radio or Internet radio.
>

Your kidding yourself if you think HD will be the savior to Dance on the radio.. at least for the next ten years if ever does take off. Its always going to be about Making $$$. Your not going to get all these "Commerical" Free Dance mulitcasts in every market. They will be ran on the Cheap like a jukebox with zero budget. I don't know if people think that is good radio but I don't. They have to get the people to buy the radios which will be hard because its sitting next to Satellite radio. Your average joe will be confused why he should shell out $300-$400 for the same channels he gets on FM.(He won't know about Muliticasts unless the stations is planning on advertising it. With nobody listening and zero budget,its unlikely people will have any clue...)


and don't fool yourself if your thinking the Sound Quality is better than Satellite. They have to compress the bandwith to get the second channel. The secondary channel doesn't sound as good as the primary from what Ive heard.
 
> > Well I didnt care for either Satellite service dance
> > selections that much. (especially the sound quality) I
> > wonder if HD would be the key in having Dance back onto
> the
> > free airwaves? I would hope there would be a diffrent
> > alternitive instead of Satellite radio or Internet radio.
> >
>
> Your kidding yourself if you think HD will be the savior to
> Dance on the radio.. at least for the next ten years if ever
> does take off. Its always going to be about Making $$$. Your
> not going to get all these "Commerical" Free Dance
> mulitcasts in every market. They will be ran on the Cheap
> like a jukebox with zero budget. I don't know if people
> think that is good radio but I don't. They have to get the
> people to buy the radios which will be hard because its
> sitting next to Satellite radio. Your average joe will be
> confused why he should shell out $300-$400 for the same
> channels he gets on FM.(He won't know about Muliticasts
> unless the stations is planning on advertising it. With
> nobody listening and zero budget,its unlikely people will
> have any clue...)
>
>
> and don't fool yourself if your thinking the Sound Quality
> is better than Satellite. They have to compress the bandwith
> to get the second channel. The secondary channel doesn't
> sound as good as the primary from what Ive heard.
>

I think its going to take a few years for it to take off... but before you know it, satellite radio will raise their rates again.. and people may start looking for alternatives. Before you know it, its going to be $25+ per month just to listen to music on satellite... If there are enogh HD channels in a market... why pay that when you can pay $0.00/month to listen to HD.

Im gathering the thought that HD will be all formats the FM's dont have the balls to try.. but I could be wrong.

Im actually really hoping that it takes off in the next few years. Of course its going to take some time.

As for saving dance. I doubt it. I dont think anything can save this format in the USA.

<P ID="signature">______________
www.1Club.FM INTERNET RADIO STATION
30 Channels... 1 Club DOT FM</P></P>
 
> > > Well I didnt care for either Satellite service dance
> > > selections that much. (especially the sound quality) I
> > > wonder if HD would be the key in having Dance back onto
> > the
> > > free airwaves? I would hope there would be a diffrent
> > > alternitive instead of Satellite radio or Internet
> radio.
> > >
> >
> > Your kidding yourself if you think HD will be the savior
> to
> > Dance on the radio.. at least for the next ten years if
> ever
> > does take off. Its always going to be about Making $$$.
> Your
> > not going to get all these "Commerical" Free Dance
> > mulitcasts in every market. They will be ran on the Cheap
> > like a jukebox with zero budget. I don't know if people
> > think that is good radio but I don't. They have to get the
>
> > people to buy the radios which will be hard because its
> > sitting next to Satellite radio. Your average joe will be
> > confused why he should shell out $300-$400 for the same
> > channels he gets on FM.(He won't know about Muliticasts
> > unless the stations is planning on advertising it. With
> > nobody listening and zero budget,its unlikely people will
> > have any clue...)
> >
> >
> > and don't fool yourself if your thinking the Sound Quality
>
> > is better than Satellite. They have to compress the
> bandwith
> > to get the second channel. The secondary channel doesn't
> > sound as good as the primary from what Ive heard.
> >
>
> I think its going to take a few years for it to take off...
> but before you know it, satellite radio will raise their
> rates again.. and people may start looking for alternatives.
> Before you know it, its going to be $25+ per month just to
> listen to music on satellite... If there are enogh HD
> channels in a market... why pay that when you can pay
> $0.00/month to listen to HD.
>
> Im gathering the thought that HD will be all formats the
> FM's dont have the balls to try.. but I could be wrong.
>
> Im actually really hoping that it takes off in the next few
> years. Of course its going to take some time.
>
> As for saving dance. I doubt it. I dont think anything can
> save this format in the USA.
>


They may raise their rates but not anytime soon and I think $25 per month is way exaggerated.

$00.00 per month to listen to HD? Maybe during this "experimentation" phase but they will have to air commercials or charge a monthly rate too. and lets say it does take off which I doubt it will. How will these factor in to the Arbitrons effecting their sister stations ratings if their doing formats that Take away audiences? FM is all about flanking each others sister stations with the same formats and competing with other companies with the same formats to get that piece of the pie. Thats why I wouldn't hold my breath for intresting formats across the nation.

and remember the signal range will always be more limited than analog..
 
I will never pay 25$/m for radio much less I wont pay 12.95, I have other payments to make a living to half to pay for radio, I gues i'll just half to rely on internet radio & weekend fm shows untill they get the ball going on HD.
<P ID="signature">______________
jras20</P>
 
> > Well I didnt care for either Satellite service dance
> > selections that much. (especially the sound quality) I
> > wonder if HD would be the key in having Dance back onto
> the
> > free airwaves? I would hope there would be a diffrent
> > alternitive instead of Satellite radio or Internet radio.
> >
>
> Your kidding yourself if you think HD will be the savior to
> Dance on the radio.. at least for the next ten years if ever
> does take off. Its always going to be about Making $$$. Your
> not going to get all these "Commerical" Free Dance
> mulitcasts in every market. They will be ran on the Cheap
> like a jukebox with zero budget. I don't know if people
> think that is good radio but I don't. They have to get the
> people to buy the radios which will be hard because its
> sitting next to Satellite radio. Your average joe will be
> confused why he should shell out $300-$400 for the same
> channels he gets on FM.(He won't know about Muliticasts
> unless the stations is planning on advertising it. With
> nobody listening and zero budget,its unlikely people will
> have any clue...)
>
>
> and don't fool yourself if your thinking the Sound Quality
> is better than Satellite. They have to compress the bandwith
> to get the second channel. The secondary channel doesn't
> sound as good as the primary from what Ive heard.
>

i remember 3 years ago on this very message board...EVERYONE said that Satellite radio would be a complete failure. From what I have read, they seem to be doing alright.. and you mean to tell me that both services will stick to this exact same price within the next 5 years?

Your average joe will be confused why he should shell out $300-$400 for the same channels he gets on FM.(

My car was not XM/Sirius ready.. but guess what? I bought the plug N play for $99.00. Dont you think that something similar to this will be happening with HD?<P ID="signature">______________
www.1Club.FM INTERNET RADIO STATION
30 Channels... 1 Club DOT FM</P></P>
 
> My car was not XM/Sirius ready.. but guess what? I bought
> the plug N play for $99.00. Dont you think that something
> similar to this will be happening with HD?

The point is that their car is already FM ready. Satellite radio gives you something you don't have....upgrading to HD radio seems pointless in the eyes of the common guy.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
>
> i remember 3 years ago on this very message board...EVERYONE
> said that Satellite radio would be a complete failure. From
> what I have read, they seem to be doing alright.. and you
> mean to tell me that both services will stick to this exact
> same price within the next 5 years?
>
> Your average joe will be confused why he should shell out
> $300-$400 for the same channels he gets on FM.(
>
> My car was not XM/Sirius ready.. but guess what? I bought
> the plug N play for $99.00. Dont you think that something
> similar to this will be happening with HD?
>

Kenwood is already on it, they offer an HD receiver to retro-adapt HD signals for some older Kenwood units. I forget the price, but Crutchfield has it available, probably other Kenwood retailers as well. I wouldn't doubt that it won't be too long before you see universal receivers on the market.

I do imagine it will be a few years before HD multicasting really starts to take off... prices of receivers will drop, and there will be more cars on the road with factory-installed HD-compatible units. Those digital multi-casts won't be commercial-free, but they will be subscription-fee free. Eventually satellite programmers will have to step up their game a notch to get listeners to see past the "free" option.
 
I strongly disagree with this statement. I've heard it down to 32k and it still exceeded satellite's quality on any channel. Hard to believe but true, HDC is the (BLEEP).

No one can blame you for not having heard it, there's only about 7 in the country, by my count.

Wes

> and don't fool yourself if your thinking the Sound Quality
> is better than Satellite. They have to compress the bandwith
> to get the second channel. The secondary channel doesn't
> sound as good as the primary from what Ive heard.
>
 
When Mel gets finished adding 6 minute spot blocks to the beloved Sirius, Joe will figure it out. FM has spots too but no fee, easy math to me.

Wes

>
> Your average joe will be confused why he should shell out
> $300-$400 for the same channels he gets on FM.(
 
When Mel gets finished adding 6 minute spot blocks to the beloved Sirius, Joe will figure it out. FM has spots too but no fee, easy math to me.

Wes

>
> Your average joe will be confused why he should shell out
> $300-$400 for the same channels he gets on FM.(
 
Again, unless you're speaking from experience, please hold your comments.

You're incorrect about IBOC having reduced coverage when compared to analog. At about 1/100th of the TPO a HD signal will perform about the same as it's full powered analog cousin. Sure the FCC has mandated reduced IBOC power levels, but even at those levels stations are experiencing coverage roughly equal to their analog, and in the case of multipath, even better coverage.

How do I know? Saw the transmitter's meter, and listened to the signal, that's how.

Anything else?

Wes

> and remember the signal range will always be more limited
> than analog..
>
 
> I will never pay 25$/m for radio much less I wont pay 12.95,
> I have other payments to make a living to half to pay for
> radio, I gues i'll just half to rely on internet radio &
> weekend fm shows untill they get the ball going on HD.

Don't worry. Within the next 2 years WiMax will kick into high gear and it's coverage will be comparable to GSM/CDMA/etc. Then you can listen to whatever you want in the car.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> I will never pay 25$/m for radio much less I wont pay 12.95,
> I have other payments to make a living to half to pay for
> radio, I gues i'll just half to rely on internet radio &
> weekend fm shows untill they get the ball going on HD.
>

Out of curiosity, do you have cable TV or satellite TV? Neither are "free." There was a time not too long ago when people scoffed at paying for TV. After all, TV was always free and why would anyone pay for something that was and "should be" free? This assumes the content is worthwhile. Judging by the broadcasters who are running things, I wouldn't risk a bet. Like you, I value my cash. More importantly, only select cities at best will ever see a HD dance station. God forbid you have this attitude and are living in Podunk, Montana.

The short-sighted among us think this way. They want everything for FREE FREE FREE. Guess what, pardner? You get what you pay for. Think about it, I'm sure you can understand the point. By the way, that nifty HD radio is going to set you back a couple hundred dollars to listen to that FREE radio you pray to. It will cost that much at least for a few years until the price drops once it reaches critical mass, if that ever happens. HD radio is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist (the entire concept is full of unresolved issues, from technical matters to HD's cost to broadcasters for the initial installation and ongoing payments to use the proprietary standard) and it isn't as remotely compelling as cable TV, sat TV, sat radio, mp3 devices and Internet. Plus, FM radio is notoriously weak in educating the public about almost anything. They'll botch this, too.
 
> > I will never pay 25$/m for radio much less I wont pay
> 12.95,
> > I have other payments to make a living to half to pay for
> > radio, I gues i'll just half to rely on internet radio &
> > weekend fm shows untill they get the ball going on HD.
> >
>
> Out of curiosity, do you have cable TV or satellite TV?
> Neither are "free." There was a time not too long ago when
> people scoffed at paying for TV. After all, TV was always
> free and why would anyone pay for something that was and
> "should be" free? This assumes the content is worthwhile.
> Judging by the broadcasters who are running things, I
> wouldn't risk a bet. Like you, I value my cash. More
> importantly, only select cities at best will ever see a HD
> dance station. God forbid you have this attitude and are
> living in Podunk, Montana.
>
> The short-sighted among us think this way. They want
> everything for FREE FREE FREE. Guess what, pardner? You get
> what you pay for. Think about it, I'm sure you can
> understand the point. By the way, that nifty HD radio is
> going to set you back a couple hundred dollars to listen to
> that FREE radio you pray to. It will cost that much at least
> for a few years until the price drops once it reaches
> critical mass, if that ever happens. HD radio is a solution
> to a problem that doesn't exist (the entire concept is full
> of unresolved issues, from technical matters to HD's cost to
> broadcasters for the initial installation and ongoing
> payments to use the proprietary standard) and it isn't as
> remotely compelling as cable TV, sat TV, sat radio, mp3
> devices and Internet. Plus, FM radio is notoriously weak in
> educating the public about almost anything. They'll botch
> this, too.
>

Judging from Power 96-2. I would pay for this one station anyday of the week over XM or Sirius dance channels. This station smokes any dance channel that either satellite service offers.<P ID="signature">______________
www.1Club.FM INTERNET RADIO STATION
30 Channels... 1 Club DOT FM</P></P>
 
> > > I will never pay 25$/m for radio much less I wont pay
> > 12.95,
> > > I have other payments to make a living to half to pay
> for
> > > radio, I gues i'll just half to rely on internet radio &
>
> > > weekend fm shows untill they get the ball going on HD.
> > >
> >
> > Out of curiosity, do you have cable TV or satellite TV?
> > Neither are "free." There was a time not too long ago when
>
> > people scoffed at paying for TV. After all, TV was always
> > free and why would anyone pay for something that was and
> > "should be" free? This assumes the content is worthwhile.
> > Judging by the broadcasters who are running things, I
> > wouldn't risk a bet. Like you, I value my cash. More
> > importantly, only select cities at best will ever see a HD
>
> > dance station. God forbid you have this attitude and are
> > living in Podunk, Montana.
> >
> > The short-sighted among us think this way. They want
> > everything for FREE FREE FREE. Guess what, pardner? You
> get
> > what you pay for. Think about it, I'm sure you can
> > understand the point. By the way, that nifty HD radio is
> > going to set you back a couple hundred dollars to listen
> to
> > that FREE radio you pray to. It will cost that much at
> least
> > for a few years until the price drops once it reaches
> > critical mass, if that ever happens. HD radio is a
> solution
> > to a problem that doesn't exist (the entire concept is
> full
> > of unresolved issues, from technical matters to HD's cost
> to
> > broadcasters for the initial installation and ongoing
> > payments to use the proprietary standard) and it isn't as
> > remotely compelling as cable TV, sat TV, sat radio, mp3
> > devices and Internet. Plus, FM radio is notoriously weak
> in
> > educating the public about almost anything. They'll botch
> > this, too.
> >
>
> Judging from Power 96-2. I would pay for this one station
> anyday of the week over XM or Sirius dance channels. This
> station smokes any dance channel that either satellite
> service offers.
>


I think BPM is better in my opinion. This thing comes out and all of a sudden its the greatest thing since slice bread? Nah. At least BPM has Great imaging, mixshows and a DJ on. Its what Radio is all about. Power 96-2 has a few IDs and is nothing but a jukebox. You also get more Dance stations on Satellite for progressive dance. Will Power 962 evolve? Only if enough people buy the HD Receivers AND it SHOWS UP in the ARBS because thats all that matters. They arent going to do this for the sake of art forever and it will come down to the ratings, which will be hard to do.
 
> > > > I will never pay 25$/m for radio much less I wont pay
> > > 12.95,
> > > > I have other payments to make a living to half to pay
> > for
> > > > radio, I gues i'll just half to rely on internet radio
> &
> >
> > > > weekend fm shows untill they get the ball going on HD.
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, do you have cable TV or satellite TV?
> > > Neither are "free." There was a time not too long ago
> when
> >
> > > people scoffed at paying for TV. After all, TV was
> always
> > > free and why would anyone pay for something that was and
>
> > > "should be" free? This assumes the content is
> worthwhile.
> > > Judging by the broadcasters who are running things, I
> > > wouldn't risk a bet. Like you, I value my cash. More
> > > importantly, only select cities at best will ever see a
> HD
> >
> > > dance station. God forbid you have this attitude and are
>
> > > living in Podunk, Montana.
> > >
> > > The short-sighted among us think this way. They want
> > > everything for FREE FREE FREE. Guess what, pardner? You
> > get
> > > what you pay for. Think about it, I'm sure you can
> > > understand the point. By the way, that nifty HD radio is
>
> > > going to set you back a couple hundred dollars to listen
>
> > to
> > > that FREE radio you pray to. It will cost that much at
> > least
> > > for a few years until the price drops once it reaches
> > > critical mass, if that ever happens. HD radio is a
> > solution
> > > to a problem that doesn't exist (the entire concept is
> > full
> > > of unresolved issues, from technical matters to HD's
> cost
> > to
> > > broadcasters for the initial installation and ongoing
> > > payments to use the proprietary standard) and it isn't
> as
> > > remotely compelling as cable TV, sat TV, sat radio, mp3
> > > devices and Internet. Plus, FM radio is notoriously weak
>
> > in
> > > educating the public about almost anything. They'll
> botch
> > > this, too.
> > >
> >
> > Judging from Power 96-2. I would pay for this one station
> > anyday of the week over XM or Sirius dance channels. This
> > station smokes any dance channel that either satellite
> > service offers.
> >
>
>
> I think BPM is better in my opinion. This thing comes out
> and all of a sudden its the greatest thing since slice
> bread? Nah. At least BPM has Great imaging, mixshows and a
> DJ on. Its what Radio is all about. Power 96-2 has a few IDs
> and is nothing but a jukebox. You also get more Dance
> stations on Satellite for progressive dance. Will Power 962
> evolve? Only if enough people buy the HD Receivers AND it
> SHOWS UP in the ARBS because thats all that matters. They
> arent going to do this for the sake of art forever and it
> will come down to the ratings, which will be hard to do.
>

I understand that you are all over XM, but Power 96-2 is not trying to satisfy your listening needs. If you like dance music simply to listen to people announcing songs and imaging to promote the station, then you really should not be in this scene. I know a few people involved with it.. and they havent even started. They arent going after the radio geek people like you and I .. they are targeting south fl's club kids... and there are thousands. Miami club kids dont care about sweepers, promos, etc. Do you think a3 TV became sucessful by targeting the kid that is obsessed with TV graphics and anchors? No. They went after their target and with their success, they are now in the process of expanding that TV channel into other markets (like NY, etc). The average clubber wants music.. and thats what they are getting. Sure, HD is not big yet.. but when was the last time 2 (TWO) USA Internet dance <u>FM</u> stations were streaming from the same city? Has it ever occured to you that they dont give a damn about the HD part of it YET..but going after the station that blasted them for 3 years straight? I dont think you think that far out of the box do you?

This station has more up its sleeve then any station I have ever sen in the US. Give them credit dude and stop being a naysayer. It takes an awful lot for a FREE service to compete with a PAID service...and this is what this format needs. Its a start.. so please accept that. You have been NOTHING but negative ever since the launch of this station.

Do you think at this point they care about arbs? Right now, their goal is setting the standard.... and thats exactly what they are doing. If you dont like it... dont listen.. it doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure that out... but at least let people that are excited about the station rave about it instead of trying to compare it to a pay service like satellite radio. It kills me that people on this board judge a dance station by imaging. The avg. listener could careless. Its all about the music dude.<P ID="signature">______________
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30 Channels... 1 Club DOT FM</P></P>
 
> Judging from Power 96-2. I would pay for this one station
> anyday of the week over XM or Sirius dance channels. This
> station smokes any dance channel that either satellite
> service offers.


Where is Power 96-2's website?

I'd love to see what that station is like.

DeanSB2004<P ID="signature">______________
Dance Music RULEZ!! :)</P>
 
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