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Is Hip-Hop Dead or Dying?

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Loverofradio

Saw this on TMZ. Interesting discussion from Joe Budden on the current state of hip-hop.

www.tmz.com

Joe Budden Predicts Rap Music Demise, Only Kendrick and Drake Are Worthy

Joe Budden has come to the realization that the Hip Hop culture -- and quality -- that sparked his successful endeavors, is LONG GONE.
www.tmz.com www.tmz.com

I feel the same. For the most part, it’s really only Drake and Kendrick Lamar. Chris Brown, occasionally, but he’s more R&B.

I don’t think it’s any coincidence that many hip-hop stations are underperforming or flipping because of this
 
Loverofradio said:
Saw this on TMZ. Interesting discussion from Joe Budden on the current state of hip-hop.

www.tmz.com

Joe Budden Predicts Rap Music Demise, Only Kendrick and Drake Are Worthy

Joe Budden has come to the realization that the Hip Hop culture -- and quality -- that sparked his successful endeavors, is LONG GONE.
www.tmz.com www.tmz.com

I feel the same. For the most part, it’s really only Drake and Kendrick Lamar. Chris Brown, occasionally, but he’s more R&B.

I don’t think it’s any coincidence that many hip-hop stations are underperforming or flipping because of this
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Kendrick Lamar performed at the Super Bowl, though. Think it'll survive, but maybe more of streaming perhaps.
 
Kendrick is mid, i have hiphop new mixes spotify @DJ77XDOPE youtube too also the rap game lowkey rigged though not impossible, independents don't receive international fame or glory but have loyal fans as usual like Cutthroat Mafia (a duo) and Xavier Wulf, other new artists: BLP Kosher, Yeat, $uicide Boy$, Babytron, Megan the Stallion, J Cole, Post Malone, ASAP Rocky, 21 Savage, Shoreline Mafia, Comethazine, Blueface, NLE Choppa . Not to mention some OGs are still in the game rapping from the new york scene, los angeles, houston, memphis, atlanta, miami, chicago, louisiana Yo .
 
I think it makes sense economically in that it can be self-recorded, -produced, and -mixed in a bedroom rather than a studio when music no longer sells discs but streams at a small fraction of a cent per stream.
The same reason that "reality TV" still exists despite the tired formulas and cliches and audiences largely figuring out it's completely scripted like pro wrestling. (Which also has ebbs and flows in popularity but will never disappear.)
 
I do think hip-hop has a tendency of being about 20 years behind the ebbs and flows of rock. What we’re seeing now is the hip-hop version of where rock was in the 00’s. Audiences splintering and becoming hyper loyal to specific subgenres. Hipsters saying 90% of the genre sucks except for what they like. Still getting some hits and some venerable superstars are popular but we see more scattershot one hit wonders than anything else. Which probably means the genre will effectively vanish by the early 2030’s except for some barely recognizable version of the genre - in other words, whatever hip-hop’s version of “stomp clap hey” winds up being.

Rock has made a small comeback in the 2020s and I would suspect hip-hop will start its own comeback in the 2040s.
 
macattack said:
I do think hip-hop has a tendency of being about 20 years behind the ebbs and flows of rock. What we’re seeing now is the hip-hop version of where rock was in the 00’s. Audiences splintering and becoming hyper loyal to specific subgenres. Hipsters saying 90% of the genre sucks except for what they like. Still getting some hits and some venerable superstars are popular but we see more scattershot one hit wonders than anything else. Which probably means the genre will effectively vanish by the early 2030’s except for some barely recognizable version of the genre - in other words, whatever hip-hop’s version of “stomp clap hey” winds up being.

Rock has made a small comeback in the 2020s and I would suspect hip-hop will start its own comeback in the 2040s.
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From the spring of 1979 through the spring of 1983, I faithfully kept a weekly list of the top 20 songs from Billboard's American Top 40 list in a notebook (20 was what could fit on a single 8-by 11 inch sheet of braille paper). 1979 was the height of disco, but even in 1980, as disco was "dying", there were plenty of black artists making it into the top 20.

In 1981, that number fell off a cliff, and there was a period between mid-September and mid-October of 1982 where there were no African-american artists on Billboard's top 20 list. I have long suspected (but can't prove) that the lackluster number of black artists on the pop charts during the early 1980s was directly related to the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 as U.S. President. If this theory holds, then we should see a decline in hip-hop and other forms of urban music crossing over to the pop charts while Mr. Trump remains in office.
 
Had nothing to do with politics. After disco in 1980-82 the music business as well as many artists were looking for the next direction of what the public would buy, which happened at that moment to be softer adult contemporary and country crossover songs. (Partially due to the Urban Cowboy craze) In late '83-early '84, CHR and Urban made a strong comeback.
 
macattack said:
Rock has made a small comeback in the 2020s and I would suspect hip-hop will start its own comeback in the 2040s.
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Rock has matured a lot during it's banishment from the mainstream. And hip-hop will too.

But I saw a meme the other day and it did get me thinking; It accurately described the problem with modern music as this;

In the 1950s we had rock n' roll. In the '60s, the British Invasion, Motown and Psychedelia. In the 1970s, Disco and Punk, In the 1980s, New Wave and Heavy Metal. In the 1990s, Grunge and Hip-Hop. But from the 2000s up.....What?

And don't say "K-Pop!" or "Country!". K-Pop are just more imported boy bands and Country has been long established. I'm talking about breakout new genres that came into their own.

Dubstep is just a noise drop gimmick, Vaporwave evaporated, Crunk wiggled it's skanky ass out. And EDM was just a modern repackaging of the techno-rave culture of the 1990s. Some of these influences have found their ways into mainstream music. But none have really stuck.

I've been looking over the charts for the past quarter century, And it seems like we've been stuck in this horrifying, endless-loop malaise period in mainstream music for 25 years with no significant music revolution. The kind that defined generations like we had. Every decade, you could pinpoint where you were by what was on the radio. But for the last 25 years, it's really all been a blur of whatever.

The strangest thing is literally any Pop, Rock or Country music from the 2000s is interchangeable with anything now almost seamlessly. They don't sound dated at all. In types of music, studio programming, mediocre sound quality, Everything

And it's weird..... It shouldn't be like this.
 
JJSPC said:
Had nothing to do with politics. After disco in 1980-82 the music business as well as many artists were looking for the next direction of what the public would buy, which happened at that moment to be softer adult contemporary and country crossover songs. (Partially due to the Urban Cowboy craze) In late '83-early '84, CHR and Urban made a strong comeback.
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You're forgetting New Wave.
 
Bongwater said:
The strangest thing is literally any Pop, Rock or Country music from the 2000s is interchangeable with anything now almost seamlessly. They don't sound dated at all. In types of music, studio programming, mediocre sound quality, Everything

And it's weird..... It shouldn't be like this.
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Eh...a lot of pop today sounds different than like 2005 or something...back then there wasn't a lot of stuff like Dynamite by BTS or Pink Pony Club. Probably the '10s on is when the current trends cemented.
 
vchimpanzee said:
"Country" isn't country these days. It's a mix of country and whatever different styles of music.
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Somewhat. Still pure country stuff out there, but the mix with the pop/ hip hop artists or whatever.. is done to attract a younger audience hwich country needs
 
JJSPC said:
Had nothing to do with politics. After disco in 1980-82 the music business as well as many artists were looking for the next direction of what the public would buy, which happened at that moment to be softer adult contemporary and country crossover songs. (Partially due to the Urban Cowboy craze) In late '83-early '84, CHR and Urban made a strong comeback.
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1980-82 was the doldrums period of that particular cycle following the strong disco overreaction.
 
I don't see any indication of hip hop going anywhere anytime. Streaming charts, everything has hip hop in it. It's not like soft AC or something that targets a very old audience, hip hop is pretty vibrant with young people and I doubt a lot of what was the hip hop/rhythmic audience suddenly gravitating away from it.
 
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