Is Hip-Hop dead?

[vchimpanzee]

They probably don't play those songs now, anymore than a CHR/Pop would play Country crossovers past their recurrent stage.

Why not? It's the same music.

 

[DavidEduardo]

Why not? It's the same music.

Generally because they no longer test well.

 

[vchimpanzee]

Generally because they no longer test well.

But if country crossovers are indistinguishable from other CHR/pop (except maybe the ones that sound like 70s rock) why does it make a difference that they're country crossovers?

 

[semoochie]

But if country crossovers are indistinguishable from other CHR/pop (except maybe the ones that sound like 70s rock) why does it make a difference that they're country crossovers?

Country crossovers wasn't the Topic. I brought it up for comparison. When the movie, "Urban Cowboy" was current, several of its songs were popular with Pop audiences but the popularity didn't last. The song that comes to mind is "Lookin' For Love". It was basically the soundtrack of that picture but I doubt if even Country plays it anymore!

 

[CTListener]

Country crossovers wasn't the Topic. I brought it up for comparison. When the movie, "Urban Cowboy" was current, several of its songs were popular with Pop audiences but the popularity didn't last. The song that comes to mind is "Lookin' For Love". It was basically the soundtrack of that picture but I doubt if even Country plays it anymore!

Maybe a few classic country stations, but it's not a keystone of the format by any means, nor is anything in that style. Oops, country crossovers weren't the topic! Sorry!

 

[DavidEduardo]

Rap's origins, like early rock 'n' roll's, are unquestionably African and African American. Talking blues is the genre's primary influence.

Don't forget that jazz was highly influenced by Latin music, particularly Afro-Antillean Latin Music, back in the 40's and 50's and that music had an influence on R&B and, thus, on early rock 'n' roll.

Like much American music, an amalgamation of influences created a whole new genre.

 

[landtuna]

Jazz is not and never was the same as what came to be called "R&B". We are talking about the music of WWRL, WJMO, WDIA, WLIB, WCIN, WYLD, WVOL, WMBM, WLOU, WOKJ, WHAT and many others.

You and I come from opposite ends of the Earth. In the late 50's/early 60's I lived in the San Francisco area so my memories of the college-aged music scene come from then. None of the stations you mentioned are east of the Mississippi (I assume) so I never heard of them, their playlists or, in fact, their calls. But I did have a room mate who was a college student in SF and she brought the "San Francisco" sound into my home. She and her friends called it "Jazz" and the music clubs in SF were then identified as either "coffee houses" or "jazz clubs" so that's what I have always called it. That music was quite a bit different than the "R&B" that I heard years later (and subsequently jettisoned). I fully understand that music from Texas and Philly was unique but I'm not talking about those.

Urban is a term now being phased out. An "urban" station plays what used to be called "R&B" and now, we are starting to call the stations "R&B" again instead of urban.

I am much too old to try keeping up with the latest trends in American speech. Since both music genres are not in my personal playlist I pay them no attention.

But it was not used to describe rhythm music for white people until Alan Freed started using the term at WJW in Cleveland..

Who?

 

[R.D.P.]

I'm in my 50s and yes I love Hip-Hop. Jesus Radio Selma plays some of it, with more to come. I don't do the Gansta stuff however. Too raunchy for my tastes.

Dan <><​

 

[boombox4]

Claiming any Hall and Oates songs from the 70's or 80's is considered 'urban' would be like claiming somehow an unripe banana and a Taco Bell burrito are the same thing. One could technically eat either, but that's factually where the connection ends.

Geraldo Rivera, of all people, classified Hall & Oates as R&B, stuff you'd hear on the streets -- when he did a special on them in the late 70's, very early 80's, before they had their spate of 80's pop/dance hits.

As for the original question, hip-hop isn't dead. It's all I hear from car stereos and sound cubes that people have blaring in city parks.

 

[DavidEduardo]

You and I come from opposite ends of the Earth. In the late 50's/early 60's I lived in the San Francisco area so my memories of the college-aged music scene come from then. None of the stations you mentioned are east of the Mississippi (I assume) so I never heard of them, their playlistsor, in fact, their calls.

Those are some of the most famous and successful Black stations in the nation.

WDIA is one of America's most famous radio stations, with links to Martin Luther King and desegregation and all the groups that came out of the later 50's and the 60's that built better acceptance of Blacks in America.

I could have named KGFJ, KYOK, KWBR, KSAN, KJET, KNOK or others in places like LA, SF, Dallas, Houston. But Phoenix did not have a Black targeted station and much of the rest of the Southwest was without them.

For more, see https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Sponsor-Magazine/1958/Sponsor-1958-09-3-Black.pdf

But I did have a room mate who was a college student in SF and she brought the "San Francisco" sound into my home. She and her friends called it "Jazz" and the music clubs in SF were then identified as either "coffee houses" or "jazz clubs" so that's what I have always called it. That music was quite a bit different than the "R&B" that I heard years later (and subsequently jettisoned). I fully understand that music from Texas and Philly was unique but I'm not talking about those.

It was NOT unique... it was just not played where there was not a large Black population. Where it was played, the music was much the same just as Top 40 back then was pretty uniform in that era.

I am much too old to try keeping up with the latest trends in American speech. Since both music genres are not in my personal playlist I pay them no attention.

The important thing is that Black music, coming from a small portion of the population, has had an impact on non-Black groups going back about seven decades to the times when Alan Freed played R&B in Cleveland and WLAC sold records over the air at night and even XERF laid down the tracks with the Wolfman and others.

Alan Freed took the term "rock and roll" out of some Black music and applied it to the developing music form on his show on WJW in Cleveland; that's why the Hall of Fame is located there, in fact.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

 

[e-dawg]

What about Seattle Wa especially 93.3FM?