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Is Internet Radio "REAL" Radio?

NightAire said:
This makes NO sense to me at all... WHY would people prefer to fire up their computers, launch a web browser, load the webpage of the radio station, click a link to load a new pop-up player, wait for an ad to buffer and play, then wait of the lo-fi stream to load...

Very valid question!!! Only those of us who are curious and wanting to know how the station does it and what mechanism they are using would do that over and over, every time. If I go to a station website and I think I would like to return and hear them serveral times over the next few days, or maybe on a daily basis at a certain time of the day, I do what you just described the first time and while I am there I copy the link (on a simple site just a CNTRL-C will do) and I keep a FOLDER on my home page and I create an icon in that folder and past the link there. Next time I want to hear that station... or that INTERNET ONLY station, I just click on the icon. No browser, no webpage, no clicking on a pop-up, etc. If it is the one station I want to hear primarily, I don't even put it in a folder... just put the icon on the desktop.

Now comes the philosophical questions. Some stations don't want me to do that. They want everyone to have to open the website and use THEIR player which keeps displaying ads that they are selling to sponsors. They force me to do it their way. Stations to protect their revenue stream may have to have at least a minimal screen presence. The last time I looked at CBS stations, my simple link would not work. You have to use THEIR player app so the ads will display. I have never checked out a I-heart-radio Clear Channel station but I suspect they are playing that same game.

The other answer is you buy the little Wi-Fi radio that looks like it ought to be a clock radio and you preset your favorite internet audio sites as presets. They can be a combination of terrestrial station streams, pure-play Internet programmers or Pandora or NPR or whatever.

My adult daughter has her two or three favorite stations set up on her i-Fone the same way. Click and play. No matter where her work takes her, her favorite Milwaukee station goes with her. She spent a week with us recently and did the tele-commute from my house, and her i-Fone was pumping out Milwaukee night and day.

For people who have a job where they buy your cell-phone service including Internet for you, stream away. If I wanted an i-Fone with Internet and streaming that would come right out of my pocket. It will be a cold day in hell when I pop that kind of monthly fee for a cell phone just because I want to listen to a station in Chicago down here in Appalachia.

People who are into listening to streamed stations do not go through all the push-ups you described.
 
NightAire said:
They prefer to hear OTA radio programming on their phones or computers.

This makes NO sense to me at all... WHY would people prefer to fire up their computers, launch a web browser, load the webpage of the radio station, click a link to load a new pop-up player, wait for an ad to buffer and play, then wait of the lo-fi stream to load...

...as opposed to leaning over and pushing one button on a radio for instant hi-fidelity?

First off, I live in a rural area where my OTA choices are extremely limited. If one likes Country or Classic Rock, then you have no problem. If you don't, then you're SOL.

Music wise, since what I like to listen to is not available OTA, I can only obtain on an internet radio site, whether it be Live 365 or elsewhere. Those stations on Live 365 I have as shortcuts on my desktop.

I'm also a talk radio fan. Even though their OTA, listening online is the only way I can access them since there are many that I listen to across the country (in some cases, across the globe). Since I have dozens (at least 10 dozen, maybe even 12 dozen) of talk stations across the country (as well as Canada, UK, Ireland, Austraila, and New Zealand) that I have an interest in listening to, I have a folder set up for each state under my favorites folder, with the link saved to the player window of each station of that particular state (if there is a particular show that I want to listen to, I'll have a notation noted on it). With that large number of stations, it's impossible to have each one as a shortcut on my desktop.

Considering what I listen to I can only obtain online, it's not a huge issue going through a few extra mouse-clicks. If it wasn't for internet radio (or streaming online), I'd literally have no options on what to listen to music wise.
 
NightAire said:
They prefer to hear OTA radio programming on their phones or computers.

This makes NO sense to me at all... WHY would people prefer to fire up their computers, launch a web browser, load the webpage of the radio station, click a link to load a new pop-up player, wait for an ad to buffer and play, then wait of the lo-fi stream to load...
I'm not saying you're absolutely wrong on this point; I'd just LOVE to know how this makes any sense.

Well, once I've done all of the above I record hours of my favorite internet station onto a flash drive. Then I plug the flash drive into my car player (or any other media player) and enjoy the music!
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
Now comes the philosophical questions. Some stations don't want me to do that. They want everyone to have to open the website and use THEIR player which keeps displaying ads that they are selling to sponsors. They force me to do it their way. Stations to protect their revenue stream may have to have at least a minimal screen presence. The last time I looked at CBS stations, my simple link would not work. You have to use THEIR player app so the ads will display. I have never checked out a I-heart-radio Clear Channel station but I suspect they are playing that same game.

One problem with CBS's player is that it shuts down after a couple of hours if there is no activity on the PC. Moving the mouse is enough to stop this irritation.

CBS O&Os use the following URL format: http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/pls/WBBMAM.pls (for WBBM). Change the call letters as required, with the AM or FM at the end (for example, WINSAM for WINS New York).

Being a Linux user, I write shell scripts (similar to DOS/WIndows batch files only better, for those of you in Redmond, Washington) that call mplayer and feed it the URL of the stream. Works for every station that publishes its stream URL. Check TheStreamCenter.com or Radio-Locator for URLs if the station's website doesn't show it.

Here is one of my scripts - this one is for WBBM:

#!/bin/sh

# WBBM Chicago - Change this for other CBS O&O stations.
# This will also work for WGN (WGNAM), WLS (WLSAM), and other stations that use StreamtheWorld.com.
Call=WBBMAM

# Kill the previous instance of mplayer so that we don't have more than one station going at once.
killall -9 mplayer

# Restart mplayer with the new URL. The cache is for my cheap netbook that will stop streaming after a minute, otherwise.
mplayer -cache 256 -playlist http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/pls/$Call.pls


Give it a name (how about wbbm? ;D No extension is required) and make it executable (chmod 755 wbbm). Then either press <Alt-F2> and enter "wbbm" (without the quotes) in the Run Program entry box, or create a desktop icon that calls this script.

One could probably adapt this shell script to a batch file, calling Windows Media Player and passing it the URL, but I haven't tried it (I don't have Windows at home).
 
NightAire said:
This makes NO sense to me at all... WHY would people prefer to fire up their computers, launch a web browser, load the webpage of the radio station, click a link to load a new pop-up player, wait for an ad to buffer and play, then wait of the lo-fi stream to load...

...as opposed to leaning over and pushing one button on a radio for instant hi-fidelity?

I'm not saying you're absolutely wrong on this point; I'd just LOVE to know how this makes any sense.

Some of us live in a rural area where not all formats are available and online has more to offer. The online players some stations use can be a real pain though. I miss the days where stations gave you the stream URL directly instead of forcing you through a bloated flash based player.

I use HttpFox when I load a stream. This displays all incoming URLs. From this I can usually find the direct stream URL and copy it into a VLC playlist. Some stations like to use formats that Windows Media Player doesn't get along with and VLC plays pretty much anything. Something else I've noticed with VLC is that for some streams it receives text data from the stream that tells current song and displays it in the title bar of the player. This is nice because song info is about the only advantage the bloated online players offer.

Sometimes you can find the stream URLs using these sites:
http://vtuner.com/setupapp/guide/asp/BrowseStations/startpage.asp
http://www.thestreamcenter.com/
 
spunker88 said:
I use HttpFox when I load a stream. This displays all incoming URLs.

Thank you for the hint.

Is there a web site or a forum where technical issues about streaming are discussed with the kind of info you shared here, and what keithE4 listed in the previous message about Linux?

I have "teckie mentality" but teckie is NOT the center of my life these days. (My days are just too, too filed with multiple things to do and interests.) I would like to spend a day or a week grasping some of the available commands, plug-ins, work-arounds, etc.
 
spunker88 said:
NightAire said:
This makes NO sense to me at all... WHY would people prefer to fire up their computers, launch a web browser, load the webpage of the radio station, click a link to load a new pop-up player, wait for an ad to buffer and play, then wait of the lo-fi stream to load...

...as opposed to leaning over and pushing one button on a radio for instant hi-fidelity?

I'm not saying you're absolutely wrong on this point; I'd just LOVE to know how this makes any sense.

Some of us live in a rural area where not all formats are available and online has more to offer.

Yeah, here in the Netherlands it's almost only CHR and Hot AC. If you want to hear something else, you don't have a choice.

If regulair air/cable stations try another format - I'm only talking about music stations, not about talk radio - it's almost sure it will stop within a couple of years, because of not enough listeners or no commercial potential. Or both. Some of them become internet stations.
 
I got out of IR when the man clamped down and now have just gotten back in now that mobile apps are the craze. I couldn't justify asking people to sit in front of their computer all day to listen or pay a lot of money for an internet receiver. Now with mobile phones, people already have the receiver and a good deal of them plug their phones into their car radios now.
 
Everybody quoted me; nobody read what I said. :mad:

The original claim was,
In almost every market, the most popular, most used streaming stations are the streams of OTA stations.

Perhaps I should get a clarification: were you saying people who could turn on 103.1 locally would rather listen at 1031.com?

...Or were you simply saying OTA stations (from anywhere and everywhere) are the most popular.

Because my problem with the original concept was that if you can get the EXACT SAME THING in higher fidelity with no delay and no hoops to jump through, why wouldn't you?

If you're talking about people in Milwaukee listening to Dallas radio stations... OK, I get it.

It was pretty frustrating to hear everybody explain to me (an internet radio operator!) the benefits of internet radio. I get it! Deep variety, a million formats, your hometown stations.

I also don't buy that your typical non-techie listener is going to even know how to grab the stream link from a station... it's easy, or they don't do it. So, for example, to listen to my local Cox stations, yeah... that's what they're doing.

...But AGAIN: are you saying the most popular streams in any given market are the OWN MARKET'S radio streams?

And this jab?
I can go through a list of popular things that probably make no sense to you.
Unnecessary. I'd like to hold a conversation with you, but not if you're just going to insult me.
 
your hometown stations.[/quote]

My city of about 8600 or so has 5 radio stations (3 FM-Country, Classic Rock, and Hot AC and 2 AM- Sports Talk and General community talk-all under same ownership). None of them have live audio stream online (not that it bothers me since I don't listen to them anyways).
 
It is real. I work at www.hotrocksradio.com. also on itunes@hardrock/metal :) My show The MartyMar airs 3-6 Pm Est and you can also hear us 24/7 . Our station is currently NO #1 on the offical member of internet radio top sites. We all have a good time and every thing can be done on line. Check us out
MartyMar
 
I started The X KXRX (www.kxrx.net) as a project to fight off being bored one winter and from it came Radio Domination Streaming Network / RDSN (www.rdsn.net) and her sister stations KONG Monster Rock (www.monsterrock.net) and X2 KXFU (www.kxfu.net).

Take a look and listen and you tell me real radio or not? I would say we do a damn good job in many cases better then many community based terrestrial stations....

And since I mentioned RDSN I might as well mention we are always looking for affiliate stations to grow our network....
 
TheX-KXRX said:
I started The X KXRX (www.kxrx.net) as a project to fight off being bored one winter and from it came Radio Domination Streaming Network / RDSN (www.rdsn.net) and her sister stations KONG Monster Rock (www.monsterrock.net) and X2 KXFU (www.kxfu.net).

Take a look and listen and you tell me real radio or not? I would say we do a damn good job in many cases better then many community based terrestrial stations....

And since I mentioned RDSN I might as well mention we are always looking for affiliate stations to grow our network....

I am aware of what you are building there and I think you are doing a fantastic job...how does your affiliate situation work for KONG? Or are you only syndicating the shows?
 
helloagain said:
TheX-KXRX said:
I started The X KXRX (www.kxrx.net) as a project to fight off being bored one winter and from it came Radio Domination Streaming Network / RDSN (www.rdsn.net) and her sister stations KONG Monster Rock (www.monsterrock.net) and X2 KXFU (www.kxfu.net).

Take a look and listen and you tell me real radio or not? I would say we do a damn good job in many cases better then many community based terrestrial stations....

And since I mentioned RDSN I might as well mention we are always looking for affiliate stations to grow our network....

I am aware of what you are building there and I think you are doing a fantastic job...how does your affiliate situation work for KONG? Or are you only syndicating the shows?

Well as anyone who has started an Internet Station knows getting listeners isn't always the hardest part of the game... Getting your foot in the door and getting respect amongst other larger industry players and having access to some of their advantages becomes a daunting task....

So we decided that their was strength in numbers and by embracing our fellow independent broadcasters and creating a collective of Stations, Shows, Podcasts all of a sudden we have value to advertisers, access to a whole different level of the game.

We benefit from each others knowledge, we share resources, we make programming available to other network affiliates... And we share in network profits....

I have no idea how the story ends, but I do have a clear vision of where I would like it to go and I am hoping I can convince a few of my friends in the game to take the ride...

To be clear we have Affiliate Stations who join the network, we also have syndicated shows, and podcasts... Affiliate stations are able to run any shows who wish the syndicate same with podcasts... I won't get into the specifics of the advertising but we all share in that as well.
 
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