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Is it a new twist on "...it's who you know..."?

C

captainrexk

I was just on the Pittsburgh AFTRA website looking at all of the talent that are in the union and seeing how they seem to either 1) stay where they're at until they die (or so it seems), or bounce around from station to station. So, what's someone who can't afford to be in the union to do? I'm sure there are jocks out there who don't make diddly squat, can't afford the union dues (well over a grand/yr.), and yet seem to get squeezed out of the jobs just because someone else has the union membership. Is this pretty much the truth? Is it a new twist on the old "it's who you know and who you blow." theory? Is this the chief reason why the same tired talent seems to be on the air, and why Pittsburgh never seems to get anything resembling decent air talent?

And what DOES an AFTRA member get for those dues? I guess after you pay your dues physically & emotionally to achieve anything, then you have to join the union and pay their dues if you want to move along any further.
 
> I was just on the Pittsburgh AFTRA website looking at all of
> the talent that are in the union and seeing how they seem to
> either 1) stay where they're at until they die (or so it
> seems), or bounce around from station to station. So,
> what's someone who can't afford to be in the union to do?
> I'm sure there are jocks out there who don't make diddly
> squat, can't afford the union dues (well over a grand/yr.),
> and yet seem to get squeezed out of the jobs just because
> someone else has the union membership. Is this pretty much
> the truth? Is it a new twist on the old "it's who you know
> and who you blow." theory? Is this the chief reason why the
> same tired talent seems to be on the air, and why Pittsburgh
> never seems to get anything resembling decent air talent?
>
> And what DOES an AFTRA member get for those dues? I guess
> after you pay your dues physically & emotionally to achieve
> anything, then you have to join the union and pay their dues
> if you want to move along any further.
>
It's a new twist on, "I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse" - in other words, you have to pay to work or you don't work, and the jocks here are guillable (or timid) enough that there have been new union shops established since consolidation started in the 90s. Consolidation marches on and people continue to get replaced by WindowsXP, but no one will wake up.
 
If it wasn't for AFTRA, everyone would be working for $5.15 an hour, and you'd get an hour's pay for four hours in the production studio.

Then again, when you make a ridiculous statement like "Pittsburgh never seems to get any decent air talent," you pretty much shoot your own argument squarely in the ass.







> > I was just on the Pittsburgh AFTRA website looking at all
> of
> > the talent that are in the union and seeing how they seem
> to
> > either 1) stay where they're at until they die (or so it
> > seems), or bounce around from station to station. So,
> > what's someone who can't afford to be in the union to do?
>
> > I'm sure there are jocks out there who don't make diddly
> > squat, can't afford the union dues (well over a
> grand/yr.),
> > and yet seem to get squeezed out of the jobs just because
> > someone else has the union membership. Is this pretty
> much
> > the truth? Is it a new twist on the old "it's who you
> know
> > and who you blow." theory? Is this the chief reason why
> the
> > same tired talent seems to be on the air, and why
> Pittsburgh
> > never seems to get anything resembling decent air talent?
> >
> > And what DOES an AFTRA member get for those dues? I guess
>
> > after you pay your dues physically & emotionally to
> achieve
> > anything, then you have to join the union and pay their
> dues
> > if you want to move along any further.
> >
> It's a new twist on, "I'm gonna make him an offer he can't
> refuse" - in other words, you have to pay to work or you
> don't work, and the jocks here are guillable (or timid)
> enough that there have been new union shops established
> since consolidation started in the 90s. Consolidation
> marches on and people continue to get replaced by WindowsXP,
> but no one will wake up.
>
 
> If it wasn't for AFTRA, everyone would be working for $5.15
> an hour, and you'd get an hour's pay for four hours in the
> production studio.
>
> Then again, when you make a ridiculous statement like
> "Pittsburgh never seems to get any decent air talent," you
> pretty much shoot your own argument squarely in the ass.
>
>
> Right you are...thanks Radio Rancher.
>
>
>
>
> > > I was just on the Pittsburgh AFTRA website looking at
> all
> > of
> > > the talent that are in the union and seeing how they
> seem
> > to
> > > either 1) stay where they're at until they die (or so it
>
> > > seems), or bounce around from station to station. So,
> > > what's someone who can't afford to be in the union to
> do?
> >
> > > I'm sure there are jocks out there who don't make diddly
>
> > > squat, can't afford the union dues (well over a
> > grand/yr.),
> > > and yet seem to get squeezed out of the jobs just
> because
> > > someone else has the union membership. Is this pretty
> > much
> > > the truth? Is it a new twist on the old "it's who you
> > know
> > > and who you blow." theory? Is this the chief reason why
>
> > the
> > > same tired talent seems to be on the air, and why
> > Pittsburgh
> > > never seems to get anything resembling decent air
> talent?
> > >
> > > And what DOES an AFTRA member get for those dues? I
> guess
> >
> > > after you pay your dues physically & emotionally to
> > achieve
> > > anything, then you have to join the union and pay their
> > dues
> > > if you want to move along any further.
> > >
> > It's a new twist on, "I'm gonna make him an offer he can't
>
> > refuse" - in other words, you have to pay to work or you
> > don't work, and the jocks here are guillable (or timid)
> > enough that there have been new union shops established
> > since consolidation started in the 90s. Consolidation
> > marches on and people continue to get replaced by
> WindowsXP,
> > but no one will wake up.
> >
>
 
Almost true. If it wasn't for AFTRA, most DJ's would be making 5.15 an hour, except for the handful that proved themselves worth more because they drew really high ratings. On the other hand, if it wasn't for AFTRA, every airshift in Pittsburgh would be filled with a live and local disc jockey or talk host. Every station would also have a live newscaster for every newsbreak, and they'd have newsbreaks at least ever hour.

You should consider both sides of the issue.

When I was in AFTRA, union scale for industrial training videos was over $400 a day. I'd guess that after 20 years, it's probably a lot higher than that now. That was great money to make for doing industrial training videos. It's too bad that most of the companies that used to make such videos have either cut back or stopped local production entirely.

> If it wasn't for AFTRA, everyone would be working for $5.15
> an hour, and you'd get an hour's pay for four hours in the
> production studio.
>
> Then again, when you make a ridiculous statement like
> "Pittsburgh never seems to get any decent air talent," you
> pretty much shoot your own argument squarely in the ass.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > I was just on the Pittsburgh AFTRA website looking at
> all
> > of
> > > the talent that are in the union and seeing how they
> seem
> > to
> > > either 1) stay where they're at until they die (or so it
>
> > > seems), or bounce around from station to station. So,
> > > what's someone who can't afford to be in the union to
> do?
> >
> > > I'm sure there are jocks out there who don't make diddly
>
> > > squat, can't afford the union dues (well over a
> > grand/yr.),
> > > and yet seem to get squeezed out of the jobs just
> because
> > > someone else has the union membership. Is this pretty
> > much
> > > the truth? Is it a new twist on the old "it's who you
> > know
> > > and who you blow." theory? Is this the chief reason why
>
> > the
> > > same tired talent seems to be on the air, and why
> > Pittsburgh
> > > never seems to get anything resembling decent air
> talent?
> > >
> > > And what DOES an AFTRA member get for those dues? I
> guess
> >
> > > after you pay your dues physically & emotionally to
> > achieve
> > > anything, then you have to join the union and pay their
> > dues
> > > if you want to move along any further.
> > >
> > It's a new twist on, "I'm gonna make him an offer he can't
>
> > refuse" - in other words, you have to pay to work or you
> > don't work, and the jocks here are guillable (or timid)
> > enough that there have been new union shops established
> > since consolidation started in the 90s. Consolidation
> > marches on and people continue to get replaced by
> WindowsXP,
> > but no one will wake up.
> >
>
 
Once again, you're wrong. AFTRA maintains staffing minimums. Otherwise, a station like 3WS would be voiectracked outside of morning drive, probably by people outside the market.

Small stations in the suburbs run on automation and satellites rather than providing a training ground for future DJs and newspeople. AFTRA agreements aren't covering those stations.

You're so completely wrong on this, it's incredible. Even by your amazing standards for inaccuracy, you're off the charts this time.






> Almost true. If it wasn't for AFTRA, most DJ's would be
> making 5.15 an hour, except for the handful that proved
> themselves worth more because they drew really high ratings.
> On the other hand, if it wasn't for AFTRA, every airshift in
> Pittsburgh would be filled with a live and local disc jockey
> or talk host. Every station would also have a live
> newscaster for every newsbreak, and they'd have newsbreaks
> at least ever hour.
>
> You should consider both sides of the issue.
>
> When I was in AFTRA, union scale for industrial training
> videos was over $400 a day. I'd guess that after 20 years,
> it's probably a lot higher than that now. That was great
> money to make for doing industrial training videos. It's too
> bad that most of the companies that used to make such videos
> have either cut back or stopped local production entirely.
>
> > If it wasn't for AFTRA, everyone would be working for
> $5.15
> > an hour, and you'd get an hour's pay for four hours in the
>
> > production studio.
> >
> > Then again, when you make a ridiculous statement like
> > "Pittsburgh never seems to get any decent air talent," you
>
> > pretty much shoot your own argument squarely in the ass.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > I was just on the Pittsburgh AFTRA website looking at
> > all
> > > of
> > > > the talent that are in the union and seeing how they
> > seem
> > > to
> > > > either 1) stay where they're at until they die (or so
> it
> >
> > > > seems), or bounce around from station to station. So,
>
> > > > what's someone who can't afford to be in the union to
> > do?
> > >
> > > > I'm sure there are jocks out there who don't make
> diddly
> >
> > > > squat, can't afford the union dues (well over a
> > > grand/yr.),
> > > > and yet seem to get squeezed out of the jobs just
> > because
> > > > someone else has the union membership. Is this pretty
>
> > > much
> > > > the truth? Is it a new twist on the old "it's who you
>
> > > know
> > > > and who you blow." theory? Is this the chief reason
> why
> >
> > > the
> > > > same tired talent seems to be on the air, and why
> > > Pittsburgh
> > > > never seems to get anything resembling decent air
> > talent?
> > > >
> > > > And what DOES an AFTRA member get for those dues? I
> > guess
> > >
> > > > after you pay your dues physically & emotionally to
> > > achieve
> > > > anything, then you have to join the union and pay
> their
> > > dues
> > > > if you want to move along any further.
> > > >
> > > It's a new twist on, "I'm gonna make him an offer he
> can't
> >
> > > refuse" - in other words, you have to pay to work or you
>
> > > don't work, and the jocks here are guillable (or timid)
> > > enough that there have been new union shops established
> > > since consolidation started in the 90s. Consolidation
> > > marches on and people continue to get replaced by
> > WindowsXP,
> > > but no one will wake up.
> > >
> >
>
 
> Once again, you're wrong. AFTRA maintains staffing minimums.
> Otherwise, a station like 3WS would be voiectracked outside
> of morning drive, probably by people outside the market.

And the competition would eat them alive if they did that, except that most of the competition 3WS faces is from other Clear Channel stations who would do the same thing.

> Small stations in the suburbs run on automation and
> satellites rather than providing a training ground for
> future DJs and newspeople. AFTRA agreements aren't covering
> those stations.

And, those small stations don't need to worry about outside competition as much, since most of the small stations in the suburbs are the only station in town. If those stations had to compete with other stations that did have live DJs, things would be quite different -- AFTRA or not.

> You're so completely wrong on this, it's incredible. Even by
> your amazing standards for inaccuracy, you're off the charts
> this time.

And your lack of understanding of the complex forces of market economics, competition, and capitalism in general confirms that you now nothing about anything outside of radio broadcasting. You wouldn't recognize the larger world that radio is only a small part of if it fell on you.
 
You can try to twist this through your usual pattern of circular logic and doubletalk, but you're wrong. You're dead wrong. You don't even know which stations in town are ATFRA stations. You don't know anything. Your bad information is all rooted in your two-week, blink-and-you-missed-it broadcast career that happened two lifetimes ago.

You've proven time and again on this board that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Your knowledge of radio starts and ends with knowing how to install the battery.

BTW, I see that you decided to pollute the Nostalgia Board with your typical avalanche of misinformation. The professionals there humiliated you by pointing out your many mistakes and exposing you for the utter fraud that you are. Remember: Billboards.






> > Once again, you're wrong. AFTRA maintains staffing
> minimums.
> > Otherwise, a station like 3WS would be voiectracked
> outside
> > of morning drive, probably by people outside the market.
>
> And the competition would eat them alive if they did that,
> except that most of the competition 3WS faces is from other
> Clear Channel stations who would do the same thing.
>
> > Small stations in the suburbs run on automation and
> > satellites rather than providing a training ground for
> > future DJs and newspeople. AFTRA agreements aren't
> covering
> > those stations.
>
> And, those small stations don't need to worry about outside
> competition as much, since most of the small stations in the
> suburbs are the only station in town. If those stations had
> to compete with other stations that did have live DJs,
> things would be quite different -- AFTRA or not.
>
> > You're so completely wrong on this, it's incredible. Even
> by
> > your amazing standards for inaccuracy, you're off the
> charts
> > this time.
>
> And your lack of understanding of the complex forces of
> market economics, competition, and capitalism in general
> confirms that you now nothing about anything outside of
> radio broadcasting. You wouldn't recognize the larger world
> that radio is only a small part of if it fell on you.
>
 
Only you would consider the first thread on the Nostalgia board with more than 10 posts in it in three months as "pollution". And how you can call opinions about what is enoyable to listen to as "misinformation" is beyond me.

But then, your opinions, as expressed in these forums, indicate that you only like the bland, the boring, and the predictable.

> You can try to twist this through your usual pattern of
> circular logic and doubletalk, but you're wrong. You're dead
> wrong. You don't even know which stations in town are ATFRA
> stations. You don't know anything. Your bad information is
> all rooted in your two-week, blink-and-you-missed-it
> broadcast career that happened two lifetimes ago.
>
> You've proven time and again on this board that you don't
> know what the hell you're talking about. Your knowledge of
> radio starts and ends with knowing how to install the
> battery.
>
> BTW, I see that you decided to pollute the Nostalgia Board
> with your typical avalanche of misinformation. The
> professionals there humiliated you by pointing out your many
> mistakes and exposing you for the utter fraud that you are.
> Remember: Billboards.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Once again, you're wrong. AFTRA maintains staffing
> > minimums.
> > > Otherwise, a station like 3WS would be voiectracked
> > outside
> > > of morning drive, probably by people outside the market.
>
> >
> > And the competition would eat them alive if they did that,
>
> > except that most of the competition 3WS faces is from
> other
> > Clear Channel stations who would do the same thing.
> >
> > > Small stations in the suburbs run on automation and
> > > satellites rather than providing a training ground for
> > > future DJs and newspeople. AFTRA agreements aren't
> > covering
> > > those stations.
> >
> > And, those small stations don't need to worry about
> outside
> > competition as much, since most of the small stations in
> the
> > suburbs are the only station in town. If those stations
> had
> > to compete with other stations that did have live DJs,
> > things would be quite different -- AFTRA or not.
> >
> > > You're so completely wrong on this, it's incredible.
> Even
> > by
> > > your amazing standards for inaccuracy, you're off the
> > charts
> > > this time.
> >
> > And your lack of understanding of the complex forces of
> > market economics, competition, and capitalism in general
> > confirms that you now nothing about anything outside of
> > radio broadcasting. You wouldn't recognize the larger
> world
> > that radio is only a small part of if it fell on you.
> >
>
 
Trolling always brings responses. That doesn't mean it's good conversation. I'd rather see no new posts than idiotic, inflammatory, baseless posts that exist solely to serve one assclown's ego.

Opinions about what's enjoyable to listen to? You were the one who said Bill Drake killed personality radio, an oft-repeated cliche that simply isn't true. Repeat: You don't know what the hell you're talking about and you prove that over and over.

BTW, it's good that you confirmed you were the troll on the Nostalgia board. Now everyone can get a handle on your various aliases.




Only you would consider the first thread on the Nostalgia
> board with more than 10 posts in it in three months as
> "pollution". And how you can call opinions about what is
> enoyable to listen to as "misinformation" is beyond me.
>
> But then, your opinions, as expressed in these forums,
> indicate that you only like the bland, the boring, and the
> predictable.
>
> > You can try to twist this through your usual pattern of
> > circular logic and doubletalk, but you're wrong. You're
> dead
> > wrong. You don't even know which stations in town are
> ATFRA
> > stations. You don't know anything. Your bad information is
>
> > all rooted in your two-week, blink-and-you-missed-it
> > broadcast career that happened two lifetimes ago.
> >
> > You've proven time and again on this board that you don't
> > know what the hell you're talking about. Your knowledge of
>
> > radio starts and ends with knowing how to install the
> > battery.
> >
> > BTW, I see that you decided to pollute the Nostalgia Board
>
> > with your typical avalanche of misinformation. The
> > professionals there humiliated you by pointing out your
> many
> > mistakes and exposing you for the utter fraud that you
> are.
> > Remember: Billboards.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Once again, you're wrong. AFTRA maintains staffing
> > > minimums.
> > > > Otherwise, a station like 3WS would be voiectracked
> > > outside
> > > > of morning drive, probably by people outside the
> market.
> >
> > >
> > > And the competition would eat them alive if they did
> that,
> >
> > > except that most of the competition 3WS faces is from
> > other
> > > Clear Channel stations who would do the same thing.
> > >
> > > > Small stations in the suburbs run on automation and
> > > > satellites rather than providing a training ground for
>
> > > > future DJs and newspeople. AFTRA agreements aren't
> > > covering
> > > > those stations.
> > >
> > > And, those small stations don't need to worry about
> > outside
> > > competition as much, since most of the small stations in
>
> > the
> > > suburbs are the only station in town. If those stations
> > had
> > > to compete with other stations that did have live DJs,
> > > things would be quite different -- AFTRA or not.
> > >
> > > > You're so completely wrong on this, it's incredible.
> > Even
> > > by
> > > > your amazing standards for inaccuracy, you're off the
> > > charts
> > > > this time.
> > >
> > > And your lack of understanding of the complex forces of
> > > market economics, competition, and capitalism in general
>
> > > confirms that you now nothing about anything outside of
> > > radio broadcasting. You wouldn't recognize the larger
> > world
> > > that radio is only a small part of if it fell on you.
> > >
> >
>
 
Stop it you two-

Rancher- You're being rude.

Not insightful, just insulting. It's coming off worse on you than it is Realist.

Realist- Let it go. He's not worth the effort.

And to be honest, this may be a public message board, but when an arguement gets this personal it doesn't serve anyone and it also has an audience of two.
 
Re: Stop it you two-

Who gave you a referee's shirt to replace your standard issue AC/DC t-shirt?

I've had it with this guy screwing up boards with his ill-informed trolling. A lot of these boards are populated by actual pros who can contribute solid information and advance the discussion. They don't hang around when someone insists on making ridiculous, completely inaccurate statements like if it weren't for AFTRA, every shift in Pittsburgh radio would be live.

It's not a matter of having differing opinions, it's a matter of this guy basing his crackpot opinion on "information" that doesn't exist.



> Rancher- You're being rude.
>
> Not insightful, just insulting. It's coming off worse on you
> than it is Realist.
>
> Realist- Let it go. He's not worth the effort.
>
> And to be honest, this may be a public message board, but
> when an arguement gets this personal it doesn't serve anyone
> and it also has an audience of two.
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Radio_Rancher on 03/20/06 08:15 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Stop it you two-

> Who gave you a referee's shirt to replace your standard
> issue AC/DC t-shirt?

My schoolsuit and flat cap have stripes.


> I've had it with this guy screwing up boards with his
> ill-informed trolling. A lot of these boards are populated
> by actual pros who can contribute solid information and
> advance the discussion. They don't hang around when someone
> insists on making ridiculous, completely inaccurate
> statements like if it weren't for AFTRA, every shift in
> Pittsburgh radio would be live.

I think you're reading something that isn't there. But because of the tone of your posts you are not refuting Realist, but rather only appearing to be a union shill.
 
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