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Is it just because it's PRESIDENTS WEEKEND?

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argytunes

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I had a chance to look at several New England Television Stations this past weekend...and couldn't believe HOW AWFUL THE ADS WERE! :eek:

While I realize that car dealers (or their spokespeople) enjoy touting that the fact that their lots are crammed with cars and EVERYBODY can get unbelievable financing...why do they have to act like morons in front of a camera or microphone?

What many assume is a user friendly approach actually comes across as TOTALLY STUPID!

argytunes
 
argytunes said:
I had a chance to look at several New England Television Stations this past weekend...and couldn't believe HOW AWFUL THE ADS WERE! :eek:

While I realize that car dealers (or their spokespeople) enjoy touting that the fact that their lots are crammed with cars and EVERYBODY can get unbelievable financing...why do they have to act like morons in front of a camera or microphone?

What many assume is a user friendly approach actually comes across as TOTALLY STUPID!

argytunes

It's only going to get worse. Besides the Presidents' Day sales, remember that we're headed into a recession...and the first aspect of retail sales that suffer in a recession are big-ticket items, like cars. The hard sell is about to become even harder.
 
dumber than a box of hair said:
argytunes said:
I had a chance to look at several New England Television Stations this past weekend...and couldn't believe HOW AWFUL THE ADS WERE! :eek:

While I realize that car dealers (or their spokespeople) enjoy touting that the fact that their lots are crammed with cars and EVERYBODY can get unbelievable financing...why do they have to act like morons in front of a camera or microphone?

What many assume is a user friendly approach actually comes across as TOTALLY STUPID!

argytunes

It's only going to get worse. Besides the Presidents' Day sales, remember that we're headed into a recession...and the first aspect of retail sales that suffer in a recession are big-ticket items, like cars. The hard sell is about to become even harder.


"We're headed"? Where the hell have you been for the last 18 months? Construction has been killed and you think it just revolves around car sales? C'mon.
 
I had a chance to look at several New England Television Stations this past weekend...and couldn't believe HOW AWFUL THE ADS WERE!

Cheesy local car dealer ads! The devil you say. Who wudda thunk it. This is not exactly a new phenomenom. In the late 1960. when I was in California, the local car dealers used to own Saturday television programming and their spots were as bad, and usually worse, than anything you'll see today. But, if anyone knew anything about peddling Detroit and Yokohama iron it was the dealers in automobile-obsessed California, and they invented the genre.

It's only going to get worse. Besides the Presidents' Day sales, remember that we're headed into a recession...and the first aspect of retail sales that suffer in a recession are big-ticket items, like cars. The hard sell is about to become even harder.

"We're headed"? Where the hell have you been for the last 18 months? Construction has been killed and you think it just revolves around car sales? C'mon.


The definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters of flat or negative economic growth. So far, we haven't had one consecutive. Unless, of course, you're just making up your own definition of recession, in which case it can be anything you desire, but does limit any meaningful discussion.

Regards,
TSB
 
the only commercial worth watching was when Bill Maher did a parody of Levitra or whatever it is - the drug with the little tinkerbell angel.

the drug companies have taken over the air time on night time tv. it is dreadful.

do you hear all the side effects? terrible television; terrible radio. They wonder why people are tuning out.
 
TSBench you can take your official definition of recession and jamb it you know where. My business (construction) has been in the toilet for minimum of 18 months. Along with gas, heating oil, insurance, WAR and other things, you tell me anything positive that's going on in this country right now? If you want to call that my own definition of a recession than so be it, I'm sure many others will agree. I can see where you'll be voting this fall.
 
TSBench you can take your official definition of recession and jamb it you know where.

My, my.

I prefer to use words of which I actually know the meaning. YMMV

My business (construction) has been in the toilet for minimum of 18 months.

Unfortunately, that doesn't make it a recession. I'm sitting up in Maine looking at 40 inches of snow blanketing my deck. That doesn't mean the golf courses are closed in Naples, FL.

Along with gas, heating oil, insurance, WAR and other things, you tell me anything positive that's going on in this country right now?

Gross Domestic Product (GDP)
4th quarter 2007: +0.6 percent
3rd quarter 2007: +4.9 percent

Personal Income
December 2007: +0.5 percent (personal income)
November 2007: +0.4 percent (personal income)
Quarterly data: U.S. personal income growth accelerated to 1.4 percent in the third quarter of 2007 from 0.9 percent in the second quarter.

These are numbers that are actually used to determine recession.

If you want to call that my own definition of a recession than so be it, I'm sure many others will agree.

When did the meaning of economic terms become a popularity contest? I must have missed the memo.

I can see where you'll be voting this fall.

Although they haven't announed it yet, I assume it will be Precinct 2, as usual.

Regards,
TSB
 
you're just making up your own definition of recession
My contractor next door neighbor who probably makes four times what I do, has temporarily (I hope) put his home up for rent and has moved operations to Central America, business is so bad for him here.
 
I realize I began this thread, but I've had a few days to think about the current state of radio as well as our economy.

Maybe members of our media (aka radio and television personalities) should start making some positive suggestions about improving our poor economic conditions...as opposed to subscribing to the theory that everything in the USA is BAD? ???

It's easy for many of us to become attack dogs on any subject or issue---regardless of whether we know anything about it? But how many talk show hosts are willing to go the extra mile and encourage their listeners to contact their congressman, senator or state representative?

B**ching is easy....real problem solving requires a little more thought! ::)

argytunes
 
LOL, now I get it, along with being the board genius he is also a part time comedian (a poor one at that). I truly feel sorry for people like you. Good Day ;)
 
TSB,

yes, yes, yes; two successive quarters of negative growth is the technical definition of a recession. Good for you.

Do you agree with dumber and Alan Greenspan that we are 'headed into a recession'?

Former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan on Thursday said the U.S. economy is "clearly on the edge" of a recession.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/23175042/

and, would you concede that while the overall economy may not have been in recession the last two quarters, certain sectors are experiencing, shall we say, 'difficulties.'

And, is this connected in any way to the cost-cutting we've seen in Boston radio the last few weeks? ???

P.S. 40 inches of snow on your deck?? Sounds fantastic!! Who cares about golf in Naples??
 
A little car shopping story ...

Last July, I bought a new Honda Civic to replace my wife's '99 Ford Escort which I was driving for my long commute to my new job. I spent months looking at new cars and went around to kick some tires. The sales pressure was unbelievable at some of these places but I understood that it was part of the process of looking and test driving.

I was looking at some of the low end Hyundais at a dealership one afternoon and the sales rep. brought over the sales manager to go through the post-sales interaction interview. I had explained to the sales rep., not unlike all of them, that I wasn't making a decision that day, that I was just looking at models available and, in this case, taking a test drive of some models.

I wasn't really impressed with the Hyundai sedan. The mileage was OK but it was white and seemed very plasticy. It was the only one they had with a stick shift. I liked the three-door coupe model, which was sportier, but they didn't have it in a stick. So, I wasn't going to buy the thing. But, the sales rep. seemed cool and I was willing to sit down and go through the motions of the interview.

So the sales manager starts prying me about what I was doing. I told him what I was doing. He said, Yeah, but you're going to buy today. I said, No, I'm leaving in a few minutes, I have another appointment. I'm sitting here because your rep. wanted me to meet you and make sure he did an OK job, which he did. Well, why won't you buy the car today? he asked. I said, I have others to look at. But, if you want to give me your best price, I will write it down and be on my way. He said, Name your price. I said, Name my price? That's not realistic. Just tell me what the best price is. He said, You name it. I said, OK, I gotta go. I thanked the sales rep. for his time and started to get up. The manager said, Wait, I'm serious. How much money am I going to have to lose to get your business today?

I was pretty shocked. Way to stand by your product buddy. Way to have some pride in your work. Are you that desperate to get rid of this car? Wow. I looked at him and said, OK, tell you what. Take my Escort and $3,000 cash and I'll take the car. That's my price. This would have meant he would have lost about $9,000. He looked at me stunned and silent.

I said, See, you weren't serious about naming my own price and I'm not serious about buying the car today. Thanks for your time. I'll scratch Hyundai off my list. I got up and walked out.

I'm sure we all have horror stories about car dealers. But I gotta tell you, the haggling crap doesn't do anyone any good. The Honda dealer went through some haggling but I was able to get a really good price for the car compared to some Honda dealers who won't budge at all on price.
 
TSB,

yes, yes, yes; two successive quarters of negative growth is the technical definition of a recession. Good for you.

Flat or negative. I was just trying to help the uninformed. I figured you already knew.

Do you agree (with dumber and Alan Greenspan) that we are 'headed into a recession'?

Since nobody, not even the folks on NPR, has found a way to outlaw the business cycle. I can absolutely guarantee that sooner or later the US will enter into recession.

In my post, I was responding to someone who was referencing Obama's talking points to claim we were already in one, and then accusing me of having my definition informed by politics, proving once again that irony is alive and well on this board.


and, would you concede that while the overall economy may not have been in recession the last two quarters, certain sectors are experiencing, shall we say, 'difficulties.'

Sections of it have, as is just about always the case at any time.

And, is this connected in any way to the cost-cutting we've seen in Boston radio the last few weeks?

Of course. I can think of few things more sensitive to a downturn in cyclical, big ticket industries than advertising. Advertising may be the epitome of a cyclical industry. The old line advertising industry is looking (according to the trades) at flat to marginally up revenue growth in the next year and the time to retrench is before you get clobbered. Since almost all of radios' costs are fixed, the only flexible expense is personnel. From producers to entire air staffs and levels of management the cuts are coming or have already started. The only ace the owners hold, or think they hold, is that the talent pool has so many people on the street, even in good times, that if the worst doesn't happen they can get back up to strength pretty quickly if they need to.

When, sooner or later, the economy goes into recession and the big ticket deferables tank, you'll probably see a lot of newspapers go away (I would doubt the Herald could survive an extended downturn in automotive) and a couple of glossy city and newspaper magazine sections (the so-called 'Furniture books') could wind up on the endangered, or extinct, species list. The smart radio stations will survive to fight another day.

P.S. 40 inches of snow on your deck?? Sounds fantastic!! Who cares about golf in Naples??

At my advanced age, I now look upon skiing as survival-on-snow. OTOH, I don't know of many folks who have trashed their knees tumbling a thousand feet down the 8th fairway.

Regards,
TSB
 
TSBench said:
Since nobody, not even the folks on NPR, has found a way to outlaw the business cycle. I can absolutely guarantee that sooner or later the US will enter into recession.

But I was referring to the present, as was Greenspan, as was dumber. Hence the need for the stimulus package, i.e. infusion of cash into the economy (not the extension of tax cuts, which should have been considered separately, IMHO). Do you support the need for a stimulus package? (I do) Do you agree with this one? (I do not)

TSBench said:
At my advanced age

Oh pshaw. The reports of [your impending] death have been greatly exaggerated.
 
So I guess I'll repeat my original question......

Do auto dealership spots loaded with schlock and cheesiness REALLY SELL CARS? ???

argytunes
 
What isn't sold on the air without shlock? Do you prefer the Window Boys? How about Ditech? What about Viagara and Cialis? How about NutriSystem and Jenny Craig? Ihop? Giant Glass? Outback? The Jewelry Exchance? Jordans? Bernie & Phils? Bob's Discount Furniture? While I can't speak to the success of The Windows Boys, the others are notable successes, no? But tell me, argytunes....A) what are you seeing in those car ads that annoy you, and B) in a local industry where there are 1000 new car dealers, just within the confines of our small state, assuming you are from Massachusetts, how would you attract consumers to your delaership amidst the overpopulated retail automotive jungle? I can't wait for this response and please, I mean no disrespect, but I am very curious to hear your solution to eliminate the "buy a car from me" cheese and shlock eminating from your TV and radio.
And no, for anyone that cares, I am not in that biz.
 
riverboatman...

Call me skeptical...but I think many advertisements (car or otherwise) are a reflection on the business or product.

When people are screaming at me to visit their showroom and look over their merchandise...I automatically get the impression that I'm going to be assaulted by salespeople the moment I step through the door!

I can't comment on NutriSystem or Jenny Craig...The Jewelry Exchange ...Viagra or Cialis. These are individual choices people can choose or avoid. But I'll be perfectly honest...the Bobs Discount Furniture Spots turn me off. The woman spokesperson is very phony. Maybe she has been enlisted to coax men who hate to shop into the showroom, but her on-camera presence a total turn-off for me! :mad:

Business names can occasionally be a deterrent to some consumers. How do you feel about buying a vehicle from a chevrolet dealer named QUIRK or a car dealer named DARLING? Especially if the ads are filled with spokespeople reading their copy says little about the product, but screams at you instead! :eek:

argytunes
 
ARGY....

I appreciate your take, but you still haven't my question
 
riverboatman...

Instead of the pushy: BUY A CAR FROM ME approach...how about a 10 or 15 second TV ad that has 2 or 3 shots of a car in the dealer's parking lot or inside the showroom.

After about 3-5 seconds...an off-camera announcer calmly says: How do you like the car?

The camera cuts to a sign bearing the name of the dealership followed by:

Here's where you can take a test drive?

followed by a chyron (sic) giving complete directions to the dealership.

The concept is simple---not screaming---can be accomplished in 10-15 seconds---and can be virtually used for any make or model of car, truck or mini-van. ;)

argytunes
 
It might work from an editing and production standpoint, but it won't sell any product. The highest profile auto dealer is Ernie Boch, Jr. (Ernie and Mechanics, magazine ads dressed like the Coppertone Girl, TV spots dressed like George Washington, etc, etc) He sells more Hondas and Toyotas than almost any dealer in the country. Not Massachusetts, the nation. It's about attention; it's about being memorable. I'm sure that if Boch or Bob's Discount Furniture could be as successful with more serene type advertising, they'd be all over that. It just doesn't work. With no malice, argy, there's nothing memorable in your proposal.
 
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