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Is it just me?
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Guess someone wants us to shut up.
I must have missed it.
BSURadioGeek said:
You didn't miss a thing. The admin rightly deleted a thread that had descended to little more than bluster. Better left gone
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TalkRadioGeek
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what was it about?
Interesting. I don't think I've ever seen a topic deleted from this board ever. Must have been bad. What was the name of the topic and who insulted whom?
Brian... Thanks for the Email! I'll looking forward to chatting with you! Please tell me that you don't consider the various and ongoing AMP topics here to be "bluster" - yet they're allowed to linger and multiply? Aside from predictable angst over an owner (I’ve NEVER seen that on the AMP threads here either 
- and that owner's action WAS defended), the "bluster" seemed to be directed at what MANY see as an unpleasant shift in "communications policy" in this country - and a regulatory agency (the FCC) that snoozes away while the gorillas run the zoo! The topic was "fundamental", but I guess the admin would rather this be a source of chatter about groundless format change predictions, morning show sidekicks, revolving PDs, and trivial gossip. So, since I'm a newbie at this - help me understand... We can direct "bluster" at Art and his AMP - but hands off Radio-One and the FCC for removing a nearly 60-yr-old FM station from a community that in no way resembled a "one-horse town" ??? Would it be fair to ask the moderator to post an "administrative explanation" under the "replacement topic" - because I've not seen one just mysteriously disappear from this board either!
- and that owner's action WAS defended), the "bluster" seemed to be directed at what MANY see as an unpleasant shift in "communications policy" in this country - and a regulatory agency (the FCC) that snoozes away while the gorillas run the zoo! The topic was "fundamental", but I guess the admin would rather this be a source of chatter about groundless format change predictions, morning show sidekicks, revolving PDs, and trivial gossip. So, since I'm a newbie at this - help me understand... We can direct "bluster" at Art and his AMP - but hands off Radio-One and the FCC for removing a nearly 60-yr-old FM station from a community that in no way resembled a "one-horse town" ??? Would it be fair to ask the moderator to post an "administrative explanation" under the "replacement topic" - because I've not seen one just mysteriously disappear from this board either!hipporadio said:
OK... Because I sense a heightened level of scrutiny here, and as Little Sister sang in late 1970 “Somebody’s Watching You”... Allow me to be TOTALLY ACCURATE in regards to the quoted statement...
RODGERS BROADCASTING filed an application with the FCC to downgrade and move ITS OWN RADIO STATION, WIFE-FM 100.3 at Connersville, Indiana TO Norwood, Ohio.
One of the objections to this application was WIZF on 100.9 (owned by Radio-One), which would have forced it to move one channel up to 101.1 to accommodate the incoming 100.3 at Norwood. This objection was “routine” and “superficial” since these channel reassignments are nearly ALWAYS upheld so long as no degradation in service to the changed facility occurs and the applicant pays for all associated changes.
RODGER’S application was granted earlier this year.
RODGERS could have very well aspired to join the Cincinnati broadcast “fraternity” with ONE 3.6kw FM despite well-established clusters operated by Clear Channel, Viacom, (now) Cumulus, and... Radio-One. Even with no major-market properties, RODGERS could have been excited about competing with the aforementioned “players”.
The ink was barely dry on RODGER'S nice new CP before it was announced that the new WIFE-FM facility at Norwood would be purchased by... RADIO-ONE for $18mil.
CLARITY and ACCURACY in media, gentleman... Let that mission be fully understood as we go about the business of pursuing our posts!
I am with you Hippo. I was finding that thread very interesting....as is this one, which probably will soon be deleted also.
I really saw nothing wrong with the thread, either. It was a rather interesting thread filled with strong supporters and opposers of the move. Where from a business perspective I understand why Rodgers decided to move the station, I also don't understand why the FCC approved such a jump. Yes, it is true that Connersville is served from an EAS/breaking news standpoint with WIFE-AM in addition to the Richmond and Rushville FMs (the latter stations, however, wouldn't cover softer news coming out of there), but I would have predicted 100.3 to move to Richmond before going to Cincinnati.
To be honest, it didn't matter one way or another for me if the station left the area...I hated "All American Country." The area was way too saturated with the format and their product was downright awful compared to WMDH and Kicks, and the public probably felt the same way. I feel that there may have been more of a public outcry if the station had flipped to oldies a few months BEFORE announcing their move to Cincinnati. Afterall, Super Oldies was and is a darn good station, and FINALLY gave listeners of the Whitewater Valley an oldies station. Gr8oldies was dead-on when he said that since no one complained to the FCC, they decided to go forward with the move. If the station had no support and another station, albeit a 250 watt pea shooter AM, is licensed to the city, why not move it to an area where it would be appreciated? Where it was sad to loose a 50kW radio station in the area where I was raised, I certainly understand why it left with little or no public outcry. I think All American Country was hung out to dry several years ago and the recent decisions toward the end of its country existance (oldies on Saturday nights, bluegrass, etc.) were only made to turn the masses off even though the format was probably well-liked by a small niche audience somewhere. There's a lesson to be learned here... if a station decides to move well out of their present coverage area and downgrade leaving your community with no local service (or in this case, no FM service), write the FCC and express your concern. Whether or not your voice will be heard isn't guaranteed, but at least you would have made an attempt to save your station.
Administrator, delete this if you choose, but the WIFE move is a very valid topic and debates on how right or wrong this type of thing is should be welcome as it seems to be becoming a bigger issue these days with the constant consolidating of radio groups, not only around the state of Indiana but around the country.
To be honest, it didn't matter one way or another for me if the station left the area...I hated "All American Country." The area was way too saturated with the format and their product was downright awful compared to WMDH and Kicks, and the public probably felt the same way. I feel that there may have been more of a public outcry if the station had flipped to oldies a few months BEFORE announcing their move to Cincinnati. Afterall, Super Oldies was and is a darn good station, and FINALLY gave listeners of the Whitewater Valley an oldies station. Gr8oldies was dead-on when he said that since no one complained to the FCC, they decided to go forward with the move. If the station had no support and another station, albeit a 250 watt pea shooter AM, is licensed to the city, why not move it to an area where it would be appreciated? Where it was sad to loose a 50kW radio station in the area where I was raised, I certainly understand why it left with little or no public outcry. I think All American Country was hung out to dry several years ago and the recent decisions toward the end of its country existance (oldies on Saturday nights, bluegrass, etc.) were only made to turn the masses off even though the format was probably well-liked by a small niche audience somewhere. There's a lesson to be learned here... if a station decides to move well out of their present coverage area and downgrade leaving your community with no local service (or in this case, no FM service), write the FCC and express your concern. Whether or not your voice will be heard isn't guaranteed, but at least you would have made an attempt to save your station.
Administrator, delete this if you choose, but the WIFE move is a very valid topic and debates on how right or wrong this type of thing is should be welcome as it seems to be becoming a bigger issue these days with the constant consolidating of radio groups, not only around the state of Indiana but around the country.
Apollo... Great post... But then, it was one of your posts that got me fired up here! This IS very interesting... WE have our perceptions as radio guys in a forum, but the "regular folks" may have a very different perception. I'm in Connersville now visiting until 10/2... The dust is still flying from the WIFE affair. MANY clock radios went off to "hash" last week after the FM went dark. The public felt uninformed. NO DOUBT--most don't really miss something until it is no longer there. Rodgers and any Radio One exec need not enter town--but that's expected. Radio One comes to the surface ONLY because it was highlighted in several News-Examiner articles about the change--interviews that were provided by a "spokesmouth" from WIFE--and mentioned R-1 as the successor to the 100.3 channel. In a morose fashion--they actually tried to "play it" as a "plus"?!?!
Top three questions from "townies": *Did Rodgers lose his license?... *WHY did "that company" in Cincy steal our station?... and... *What will happen on 1580? Now more inquiring minds are asking IF Rodgers just moved the station himself--"shopped" it to "that company", then mentioned them frequently in the couple "puff-pieces" in the paper to deflect the blame. HUMMM??? Answer to #1 is obvious--NO... #2 may be more related to what those "inquiring minds" are wondering... #3 will depend on the support Connersville gives to the remaining facility--kind of a paradox--but I REALLY HOPE THEY "DEFY GRAVITY" AND DO WELL. They sound "beyond just OK" Apollo... The remaining staff there are doing a good job and deserves a shot!
Back to the past... Seems they were "on a roll" as "The Hot WIFE" in the late-90s--then this change to "All American Country"--interestingly at a point where the FCC app process regarding the move to Cincy was getting started. HUMMM again. At that time, I was involved with the ownership of four stations in Missouri, but our accountant was in Connersville. Staff at that firm told me that "The Hot WIFE" was doing great. Accountants usually know that stuff--even if they don't keep the books FOR the well-performing company--it's an after-work intra-profession thing (sorta like us radio guys).
'Seems what I get here--is that things went "south" for WIFE later (about the time the "Cincy Quotient" kicked in)... Interesting--BUT Connersville's economy took a hit at the same time also, so how could one know for sure?
Hey... We'll "blog"... But the FCC bares the near-total blame for this. I'm STILL searching for the docket that dismissed the "equal service left behind" provision I knew VERY WELL back in the 90s--and I just can't find it!!! Like I said... The gorillas are running the zoo!
Top three questions from "townies": *Did Rodgers lose his license?... *WHY did "that company" in Cincy steal our station?... and... *What will happen on 1580? Now more inquiring minds are asking IF Rodgers just moved the station himself--"shopped" it to "that company", then mentioned them frequently in the couple "puff-pieces" in the paper to deflect the blame. HUMMM??? Answer to #1 is obvious--NO... #2 may be more related to what those "inquiring minds" are wondering... #3 will depend on the support Connersville gives to the remaining facility--kind of a paradox--but I REALLY HOPE THEY "DEFY GRAVITY" AND DO WELL. They sound "beyond just OK" Apollo... The remaining staff there are doing a good job and deserves a shot!
Back to the past... Seems they were "on a roll" as "The Hot WIFE" in the late-90s--then this change to "All American Country"--interestingly at a point where the FCC app process regarding the move to Cincy was getting started. HUMMM again. At that time, I was involved with the ownership of four stations in Missouri, but our accountant was in Connersville. Staff at that firm told me that "The Hot WIFE" was doing great. Accountants usually know that stuff--even if they don't keep the books FOR the well-performing company--it's an after-work intra-profession thing (sorta like us radio guys).
'Seems what I get here--is that things went "south" for WIFE later (about the time the "Cincy Quotient" kicked in)... Interesting--BUT Connersville's economy took a hit at the same time also, so how could one know for sure?
Hey... We'll "blog"... But the FCC bares the near-total blame for this. I'm STILL searching for the docket that dismissed the "equal service left behind" provision I knew VERY WELL back in the 90s--and I just can't find it!!! Like I said... The gorillas are running the zoo!
I work in corporate radio in Lafayette. I like my job and can't take your side.
Most threads don't debate broadcast law like the Connersville one has.
Interesting!
Just wondering though? Are you guys going to make enough noise that the FCC
will pick Connersville for a Town Hall Meeting on localism? Who will be there?
How about you Randy? Dutchman? Hippo? What about the mayor? The business
people? The angry citizens? Is this just all talk? We are watching.
Most threads don't debate broadcast law like the Connersville one has.
Interesting!
Just wondering though? Are you guys going to make enough noise that the FCC
will pick Connersville for a Town Hall Meeting on localism? Who will be there?
How about you Randy? Dutchman? Hippo? What about the mayor? The business
people? The angry citizens? Is this just all talk? We are watching.
Ur-A-Dawg said:
Then that means you work for "one of the two"... If's it's "S-Comm"--you're in a good seat... They are a fine company (I know 'cause I used to be across town from them in South Bend). They also have assets that go well beyond just radio (TV and newspaper). In fact, they very much enjoy a few of those coveted waivers that allow them (in some cases) to OWN ALL THREE in the same market--e.g. South Bend. In these days--that tends to make things a bit less "corporately stressful" because bucks are flowing from other lucrative sources!
Now I understand that this can't possibly happen "Ur", but try to imagine waking up to begin a new week tomorrow to hear WLFI-18 reporting that ALL your local FM stations had been sold so they could be moved to Indy or Chicago simply 'cause they're worth more money there... Then would you (not as a radio guy) but as a Lafayette resident feel the same? This issue goes to the very basis of the Commission's implementation of its original ALLOCATION TABLES in 1963 as the FM band began its "take-off". They were striving for equitable distribution so a landslide of FM channels didn't end up in only the very largest cities. It's called FAIRNESS! That "table" has been legally modified THOUSANDS of times over the years since to allow for a balance of service and efficient use of the FM spectrum--but NOT (until recently) at the expense of a community with a "critical mass" being deprived of its ONLY dependable fulltime radio service.
I live in Charleston, SC where we enjoy several new FM stations as a result of a MASSIVE shuffle of the FM TOC back in the early 90s... Dozens of channels changed, but when the ink was dry on the rulemaking, NOT ONE small "one-stoplight" town in rural South Carolina and Georgia saw its FM servive removed. WHY? Because those were "THE RULES"--and no single radio operator dared to defy them! I have YET TO FIND a FORMAL dismissal of the original 1963 mandate for an FM TOC or ellimination of the long-standing policy of "equal service left behind" published at the FCC--which means--IT'S STILL LAW until modified and entered into the Federal Register. Can you find such in the Commission's "stack 'o stuff" "Ur"... When you do--I'll appreciate becoming better informed!
The "creative" definition of an AM radio station with 5-WATTS after sunset as "fulltime similar service left behind" is OUTRAGEOUS. PLEASE take no offense, but MY GOD MAN--you have a mind, so do you buy that? ...Or is it all for ney 'cause you enjoy "blogging" about an additional FM added to a corporate stable in some large market? This reflects ONLY ONE REALITY--TOTAL MANIPULATION of the regulatory body by those who are to be regulated.
As is the case in issues such as "gun control" and even "immigration"... We don't need a new "Docket", town meetings, or even so much as an argument... We need the FCC to adhere to its CURRENT RULES that are ALREADY a matter of policy and regulatory statute!
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Great post Hippo! Absolutely wonderful.
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