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Is J-School Worth It?

Quick question-

I'm a lonely board op/on-air talent who has journalistic aspirations. I have a BA in Comm Studies/English.

My question-is a Master's in Journalism worth it? Since moving back to Maine-I've hardly done any reporting/anchoring (indeed, pretty much none)-would a masters help in getting work in New England?

**Posted before my first cup of coffee Sunday morning while board op-ing-so apologies for any incomprehensible phrasing.**<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by sleepingtree on 11/13/05 12:15 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> Quick question-
>
> I'm a lonely board op/on-air talent who has journalistic
> aspirations. I have a BA in Comm Studies/English.
>
> My question-is a Master's in Journalism worth it? Since
> moving back to Maine-I've hardly done any
> reporting/anchoring (indeed, pretty much none)-would a
> masters help in getting work in New England?
>
> **Posted before my first cup of coffee Sunday morning while
> board op-ing-so apologies for any incomprehensible
> phrasing.**

In todays media, if you plan on getting on TV to report the news you better be a 36c, wearing a pair of 3 1/2" heels and have nice teeth. It's slowing becoming all about vanity....look at CNN in the 80's and CNN today..I haven't seen Portland TV in some years, but I know in my market and many others this is happening. As far a s radio, I would never spend the money for a masters degree to work in radio! Unless I could use that degree in other fields!
>
 
I would say no. I was a Broadcast Journalism major at Syracuse University - but I learned more at our student-run CHR station there than I ever did in any classroom. Life experience is much more important than a degree in this business.

Equally - if not more important, is networking. The cliche about "its not what you know - its who you know" is VERY true.

In the three years I've graduated, I've seen countless SU alums, both from my class (2002) and those around us, help each other out. And it's not about the school, or the degree, but rather the fact that we all know each other. And if someone knows you, and what you're capable of, that's how you get in somewhere.

I just had a friend from Syracuse (non-mass communications major) take a class at the Connecticut School of Broadcasting. The job he just landed - he knew of someone on the inside. You never know - but you could probably make the argument that he would have still gotten the job without dropping the cash on "furthering his education."

-Jag

> Quick question-
>
> I'm a lonely board op/on-air talent who has journalistic
> aspirations. I have a BA in Comm Studies/English.
>
> My question-is a Master's in Journalism worth it? Since
> moving back to Maine-I've hardly done any
> reporting/anchoring (indeed, pretty much none)-would a
> masters help in getting work in New England?
>
> **Posted before my first cup of coffee Sunday morning while
> board op-ing-so apologies for any incomprehensible
> phrasing.**
>
 
If I can offer my two cents...

Opportunities for broadcast journalism are becoming more limited each day. There are fewer TV stations doing newscats. And getting one of those jobs is as much about how you look as how good you are.

On the radio side, There are only a handful of radio stations left with real news departments that have more than one person working. Non-com NPR stations are about the only radio with news anymore.

Not to be totally negative, there may be some emerging markets on the internet. Comapnies like Yahoo are starting to hire their own reporters. But overall, Journalism is not a growth industry right now.

PTR

> Quick question-
>
> I'm a lonely board op/on-air talent who has journalistic
> aspirations. I have a BA in Comm Studies/English.
>
> My question-is a Master's in Journalism worth it? Since
> moving back to Maine-I've hardly done any
> reporting/anchoring (indeed, pretty much none)-would a
> masters help in getting work in New England?
>
> **Posted before my first cup of coffee Sunday morning while
> board op-ing-so apologies for any incomprehensible
> phrasing.**
>
 
Competitive Edge

A bachelor's degree today is a basic qualifier for work that requires an employee to think (that is, for any job above menial tasks--like board-op work). It's more or less what a high school diploma was 30 years ago. Everybody's got one--especially Mass Comm degrees like yours. Sad to say, Comm has become sort of the "Major Of Last Resort" for kids who can't make up their minds... and football players. So earning a Master's in Journ would set you apart from the crowd, and tell the prospective employer that you're a serious journalist. Yeah, the job market is tough, and old technologies like radio and TV aren't where the jobs are--but journalism/communications is exploding. But YOU have to figure out where to look. Welcome to adulthood. Find an edge, or create one. Then get off your ass and get hired.


> > Quick question-
> >
> > I'm a lonely board op/on-air talent who has journalistic
> > aspirations. I have a BA in Comm Studies/English.
> >
> > My question-is a Master's in Journalism worth it? Since
> > moving back to Maine-I've hardly done any
> > reporting/anchoring (indeed, pretty much none)-would a
> > masters help in getting work in New England?
> >
> > **Posted before my first cup of coffee Sunday morning
> while
> > board op-ing-so apologies for any incomprehensible
> > phrasing.**
 
Re: Competitive Edge

I would disagree slightly.

The ability to investigate, do hard work, and break big - and accurate - stories, is the only thing you need to get into the journalism business.

I'm a perfect example. I've worked in a number of fields and never finished college [I went to Harvard at night but never finished]. But, I kept writing columns, working hard, volunteering in radio, and it all led to a bunch of different jobs in media after board oping.

If took me a few years, but I worked my way from being a freelancer, to a full-time print reporter, and later editor, for Herald Media before moving back to New Hampshire last year. I was then hired as a news reporter and later, news director. I'm now the program director at WKXL 1450.

Since you already have the degree, the key is to find someone who will let you in. Newspapers are always looking for inexpensive freelancers who are interested in covering a variety of subjects which their full-timers won't - or aren't able - to cover.

If you have your heart set on doing radio journalism, find a radio station and offer to work part-time for its morning show gathering news or something else. There are always stations looking for part-time folks willing to do work.

> A bachelor's degree today is a basic qualifier for work that
> requires an employee to think (that is, for any job above
> menial tasks--like board-op work). It's more or less what a
> high school diploma was 30 years ago. Everybody's got
> one--especially Mass Comm degrees like yours. Sad to say,
> Comm has become sort of the "Major Of Last Resort" for kids
> who can't make up their minds... and football players. So
> earning a Master's in Journ would set you apart from the
> crowd, and tell the prospective employer that you're a
> serious journalist. Yeah, the job market is tough, and old
> technologies like radio and TV aren't where the jobs
> are--but journalism/communications is exploding. But YOU
> have to figure out where to look. Welcome to adulthood. Find
> an edge, or create one. Then get off your ass and get hired.
>
>
>
> > > Quick question-
> > >
> > > I'm a lonely board op/on-air talent who has journalistic
>
> > > aspirations. I have a BA in Comm Studies/English.
> > >
> > > My question-is a Master's in Journalism worth it? Since
> > > moving back to Maine-I've hardly done any
> > > reporting/anchoring (indeed, pretty much none)-would a
> > > masters help in getting work in New England?
> > >
> > > **Posted before my first cup of coffee Sunday morning
> > while
> > > board op-ing-so apologies for any incomprehensible
> > > phrasing.**
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Best,
Anthony Schinella
Program Director/News/A&E
WKXL 1450 AM/Concord, NH
http://www.wkxl1450.com
http://politizine.blogspot.com</P>
 
Re: Competitive Edge

Well, like all fields, journalism is ultimately a performance biz. Education just prepares a person for the opportunity to perform.

You seem to feel satisfied that being an ND at a 1-kw AM in market #169 is where you want to be, professionally. (I know, it's beautiful there). You must realize that there are others who wouldn't be satisfied with that.

Would an MA in Journ from UMass have helped you more than no degree from Harvard? Maybe. Would an MA from Syracuse or Columbia or Northwestern--well respected journ schools--have helped even more? Maybe.

Yeah, you've gotta have talent. And you've gotta work your ass off. But that goes for any business. But young people shouldn't handicap themselves. The more education, the better. Like I said, a BA today equals yesterday's high school diploma.


> I would disagree slightly.
>
> The ability to investigate, do hard work, and break big -
> and accurate - stories, is the only thing you need to get
> into the journalism business.
>
> I'm a perfect example. I've worked in a number of fields and
> never finished college [I went to Harvard at night but never
> finished]. But, I kept writing columns, working hard,
> volunteering in radio, and it all led to a bunch of
> different jobs in media after board oping.
>
> If took me a few years, but I worked my way from being a
> freelancer, to a full-time print reporter, and later editor,
> for Herald Media before moving back to New Hampshire last
> year. I was then hired as a news reporter and later, news
> director. I'm now the program director at WKXL 1450.
>
> Since you already have the degree, the key is to find
> someone who will let you in. Newspapers are always looking
> for inexpensive freelancers who are interested in covering a
> variety of subjects which their full-timers won't - or
> aren't able - to cover.
>
> If you have your heart set on doing radio journalism, find a
> radio station and offer to work part-time for its morning
> show gathering news or something else. There are always
> stations looking for part-time folks willing to do work.
 
Re: Competitive Edge

Being news AND program director at one of the state's oldest and historic radio stations [albeit, a 1k watt AM station] in the 169 market is better than being a board op. It is also better than being an editor for a 5,000 circ weekly paper.

Schooling is great. Some J-schools are respectable. Others aren't. We had a revolving door at CNC of J-school students from Emerson who had no clue how to write a story and didn't know anything about the real world. In addition, had no street instincts, didn't know how to research a story, didn't know that you could connect elected officials with their interests via campaign finance reports, etc.

That was my larger point: The guy is a board op. He wants to work in the journalism field. Well, he can spend $60k getting a J-degree and maybe not get a job, or, he can go out, work in the field, wear out some shoe leather, and get a job that way. I would say that my experience - and the experience of a slew of people I know in the business - is the way to go.

Lastly, I will send you to this link - about the terrible state of the newspaper business - something we all know about in radio.

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14253577&postID=113232415214224430

"I can speak to the college prof comment. I recently got my MA in journalism (after getting a nondescript liberal arts BA and milling about for a few years). I did everything you’re supposed to while in school (internship at the Sun, finagling a gig with the AP at convention time, the whole nine yards.) For six months I’d sent resumes and clips to at least 30 different papers between Lawrence and D.C. Only two offered me an interview. I took the offer a local weekly gave me because I needed the experience and it seemed like a good idea at the time. After 6 months of making less per week than I was spending on rent and gasoline, it didn’t seem like such a good idea."

Why go into debt $60k to get into this type of job market? Get out and do it!




> Well, like all fields, journalism is ultimately a
> performance biz. Education just prepares a person for the
> opportunity to perform.
>
> You seem to feel satisfied that being an ND at a 1-kw AM in
> market #169 is where you want to be, professionally. (I
> know, it's beautiful there). You must realize that there are
> others who wouldn't be satisfied with that.
>
> Would an MA in Journ from UMass have helped you more than no
> degree from Harvard? Maybe. Would an MA from Syracuse or
> Columbia or Northwestern--well respected journ schools--have
> helped even more? Maybe.
>
> Yeah, you've gotta have talent. And you've gotta work your
> ass off. But that goes for any business. But young people
> shouldn't handicap themselves. The more education, the
> better. Like I said, a BA today equals yesterday's high
> school diploma.
>
>
> > I would disagree slightly.
> >
> > The ability to investigate, do hard work, and break big -
> > and accurate - stories, is the only thing you need to get
> > into the journalism business.
> >
> > I'm a perfect example. I've worked in a number of fields
> and
> > never finished college [I went to Harvard at night but
> never
> > finished]. But, I kept writing columns, working hard,
> > volunteering in radio, and it all led to a bunch of
> > different jobs in media after board oping.
> >
> > If took me a few years, but I worked my way from being a
> > freelancer, to a full-time print reporter, and later
> editor,
> > for Herald Media before moving back to New Hampshire last
> > year. I was then hired as a news reporter and later, news
> > director. I'm now the program director at WKXL 1450.
> >
> > Since you already have the degree, the key is to find
> > someone who will let you in. Newspapers are always looking
>
> > for inexpensive freelancers who are interested in covering
> a
> > variety of subjects which their full-timers won't - or
> > aren't able - to cover.
> >
> > If you have your heart set on doing radio journalism, find
> a
> > radio station and offer to work part-time for its morning
> > show gathering news or something else. There are always
> > stations looking for part-time folks willing to do work.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Best,
Anthony Schinella
Program Director/News/A&E
WKXL 1450 AM/Concord, NH
http://www.wkxl1450.com
http://politizine.blogspot.com</P>
 
Re: Competitive Edge

As is the whim in radio-shortly after that post-I decided to take the bull by the horns (feeling sorry is the ultimate handicap in this business, I think), went into the PD/ND's office and asked (embarrassingly, sort of demanded) for a chance to report/anchor. Now I'm working almost fulltime (of course, I still work 40 hours elsewhere to keep the bills paid)...

...so based on your comments-I think I'll cut my losses and stay with the workin' for a living track. Your voices just add to the chorus that have told me to get an MA in ANYTHING BUT journalism. However, I do hold out hope for the profession as a whole. I left a high paying job that I hated to do this-and while I have my moments wondering why-I know in my heart I'd rather eat Mac and Cheese everyday than go back to the cubicle village. Of course, I don't have kids and a family to support either-it's sad the best in our ranks have to decided between the two.

Thanks for your support!<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by sleepingtree on 11/19/05 05:49 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Competitive Edge

Good luck! I honestly think you will find your experience better than graduate school!

> As is the whim in radio-shortly after that post-I decided to
> take the bull by the horns (feeling sorry is the ultimate
> handicap in this business, I think), went into the PD/ND's
> office and asked (embarrassingly, sort of demanded) for a
> chance to report/anchor. Now I'm working almost fulltime (of
> course, I still work 40 hours elsewhere to keep the bills
> paid)...
>
> ...so based on your comments-I think I'll cut my losses and
> stay with the workin' for a living track. Your voices just
> add to the chorus that have told me to get an MA in ANYTHING
> BUT journalism. However, I do hold out hope for the
> profession as a whole. I left a high paying job that I hated
> to do this-and while I have my moments wondering why-I know
> in my heart I'd rather eat Mac and Cheese everyday than go
> back to the cubicle village. Of course, I don't have kids
> and a family to support either-it's sad the best in our
> ranks have to decided between the two.
>
> Thanks for your support!
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Best,
Anthony Schinella
Program Director/News/A&E
WKXL 1450 AM/Concord, NH
http://www.wkxl1450.com
http://politizine.blogspot.com</P>
 
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