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IS JACK "ABOVE THE LAW"?

For many months now, I've wondered why the honerable Jack Thompson, host of The Jack Thompson Electric Radio Program, on 1027thelake.com (102.7 The Lake), ALWAYS omits the stations' LEGAL ID from his (now) 4 hr program each morning. I've always been under the belief that this was REQUIRED by the FCC each & every hour either 7-10 min before or after the hour.

When his show used to end at 9, the recorded ID "WLYK Cape Vincent/Kingston, 1027 The Lake" was not heard until 10 AM. Now that his show has been extended until 10, the legal ID's airing has been pushed back until 11.

Does he have it written somewhere that he's excused from playing it? Since he's a "true Canadian" through and through, does he feel it's beneath him to read the ID of an American station? Does he not want to give his loyal listeners the impression that they're technically listening to a U.S. station? Or are they???? Does Jack consider The Lake to be of dual-citizenship? Are Canadian stations exempt from giving legal ID's, when it suits their needs?

I'm baffled.... and am thinking there must be a reason. ???
 
RBW said:
For many months now, I've wondered why the honerable Jack Thompson, host of The Jack Thompson Electric Radio Program, on 1027thelake.com (102.7 The Lake), ALWAYS omits the stations' LEGAL ID from his (now) 4 hr program each morning. I've always been under the belief that this was REQUIRED by the FCC each & every hour either 7-10 min before or after the hour.

When his show used to end at 9, the recorded ID "WLYK Cape Vincent/Kingston, 1027 The Lake" was not heard until 10 AM. Now that his show has been extended until 10, the legal ID's airing has been pushed back until 11.

Does he have it written somewhere that he's excused from playing it? Since he's a "true Canadian" through and through, does he feel it's beneath him to read the ID of an American station? Does he not want to give his loyal listeners the impression that they're technically listening to a U.S. station? Or are they???? Does Jack consider The Lake to be of dual-citizenship? Are Canadian stations exempt from giving legal ID's, when it suits their needs?

I'm baffled.... and am thinking there must be a reason. ???
from the F.C.C. web site http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2009/octqtr/47cfr73.1201.htm

Sec. 73.1201 Station identification.

(a) When regularly required. Broadcast station identification
announcements shall be made:
(1) At the beginning and ending of each time of operation, and
(2) Hourly, as close to the hour as feasible, at a natural break in
program offerings. Television and Class A television broadcast stations
may make these announcements visually or aurally.
(b) Content. (1) Official station identification shall consist of
the station's call letters immediately followed by the community or
communities specified in its license as the station's location;
Provided, That the name of the licensee, the station's frequency, the
station's channel number, as stated on the station's license, and/or the
station's network affiliation may be inserted between the call letters
and station location. DTV stations, or DAB Stations, choosing to include
the station's channel number in the station identification must use the
station's major channel number and may distinguish multicast program
streams. For example, a DTV station with major channel number 26 may use
26.1 to identify an HDTV program service and 26.2 to identify an SDTV
program service. A DTV station that is devoting one of its multicast
streams to transmit the programming of another television licensee must
identify itself and may also identify the licensee that it is
transmitting. If a DTV station in this situation chooses to identify the
station that is the source of the programming it is transmitting, it
must use the following format: Station WYYY-DT, community of license
(call sign and community of license of the station whose multicast
stream is transmitting the programming), bringing you WXXX, community of
license (call sign and community of license of the licensee providing
the programming). The transmitting station may insert between its call
letters and its community of license the following information: the
frequency of the transmitting station, the channel number of the
transmitting station, the name of the licensee of the transmitting
station and the licensee providing the programming, and/or the name of
the network of either station. Where a multicast station is carrying the
programming of another station and is identifying that station as the
source of the programming, using the format described above, the
identification may not include the frequency or channel number of the
program source. A radio station operating in DAB hybrid mode or extended
hybrid mode shall identify its digital signal, including any free
multicast audio programming streams, in a manner that appropriately
alerts its audience to the fact that it is listening to a digital audio
broadcast. No other insertion between the station's call letters and the
community or communities specified in its license is permissible.
(2) A station may include in its official station identification the
name of any additional community or communities, but the community to
which the station is licensed must be named first.
(3) Twice daily, the station identification for television stations
must include a notice of the existence, location and accessibility of
the station's public file. The notice must state that the station's
public file is available for inspection and that consumers can view it
at the station's main studio and on its Web site. At least one of the
announcements must occur between the hours of 6 p.m. and midnight.
(c) Channel--(1) General. Except as otherwise provided in this
paragraph, in making the identification announcement the call letters
shall be given only on the channel, or channels in the case of a
broadcaster that is multicasting more than a single channel, identified
thereby.
(2) Simultaneous AM (535-1605 kHz) and AM (1605-1705 kHz broadcasts.
If the same licensee operates an AM broadcast station in the 535-1605
kHz band and an AM broadcast station in the 1605-1705 kHz band with both
stations licensed to the same community and simultaneously broadcasts
the same programs over the facilities of both such stations, station
identification announcements may be made jointly for both stations for
periods of such simultaneous operations.
(3) Satellite operation. When programming of a broadcast station is
rebroadcast simultaneously over the facilities
 
Well, alrighty then. Thanks for proving my point. Although I think the question was more rhetorical, since I think many of us already know the guidelines in place. The bigger question however still remains. (which you haven't attempted to answer)

Why are they only following the guidelines 75% of the time? Why should a particular portion of the day or a particular host follow a different set of guidelines? It almost appears deliberate to some degree.
 
RBW said:
For many months now, I've wondered why the honerable Jack Thompson, host of The Jack Thompson Electric Radio Program, on 1027thelake.com (102.7 The Lake), ALWAYS omits the stations' LEGAL ID from his (now) 4 hr program each morning. I've always been under the belief that this was REQUIRED by the FCC each & every hour either 7-10 min before or after the hour.
I'm baffled.... and am thinking there must be a reason. ???

The rule establishes the ID as having to go at a natural break in programming, and the term "natural" is very subject to interpretation. In Los Angeles, quite a few stations put the ID in the last stopset of the hour, somewhere around :45.

There is no rule that says there is an exact number of minutes arround the hour where the ID must go.

Of course, since in most parts of the world the legal ID / required ID is the station's commercial name, not call letters, perhaps the talent on the air thinks they are doing an ID by giving the name...

At some point, the whole call letter silly stuff has to go away; it's antiquated and as one poster suggested, the equivalent of reading a retail bar code on the air. And it's one more thing that makes radio sound old. Do web streams have call letters?
 
OK, I'll concede that ID's tend to not follow logic sometimes. I'm familiar with stations like KPMZ in the Dallas/Ft. Worth market who ID's at about :20 BEFORE the hour! I had always thought it was no more than about 7 before.

Reading bar-codes over the air or not... I can't see a time when calls vanish. How then could a DX'er ever satisfy his/her hobby! And what about all those "lites" and "rocks" and "rivers" ... and "lakes"! There's probably more than 1 "lite 97.. whatever" out there.

Anyway, I still can't find a logical reason for thinking that "Lake 102.7" passes for an ID.

And Jack is no fool. I'm sure he knows the difference between call letters and a catchy slogan! :-\
 
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