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Is KYNO 1300 long for this world?

KYNO is fizzling. Big payroll and no numbers. ZEROS! Again, KYNO is a no-show in the latest trend. How can J.O. justify spending any loot on that station?
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I agree! KYNO 1300, I predict, will not be here for long. Their line-up stinks! As far as nights go, I listen to John and Jeff during sometime during the 1am hour and half way through the show, the signal goes dead. And by 3am,Imus is on with no problems at all. And then there is a show on weekends with Tom Leykis, Not the Tom Leykis Show. They talk about wines and other crap that is useless. No wonder this station is going to tank! They need to get on the ball again and redo their programming schedule! Otherwise, 1300 will be "trese zien." If that is the spanish pronunciation for 1300? You know what I mean amigo?
 
Also forgot to mention, during the night on 1300 KYNO I have been hearing continuous commercials (non-stop) along with the dead air time during the John and Jeff hours. There is a program on early Sunday mornings talking about rehab for alcoholics and drug attics, WHO CARES???? Just another reason why 1300 isn't going to last!

Maybe, I should start taking some Spanish courses, so I can start preparing myself to listen to the future of Spanish talk radio in Fresno.
 
Do any of you who're predicting KYNO's demise know John? If you did, you'd know this format change isn't about a quick fix. You're thinking inside the traditional radio box.
 
I can tell you that from a buyer's prospective two trends don’t mean a thing… for that matter neither does one book… we generally look at a three or four book average.

So to pronounce the station a failure at this point seems a little foolish. As EX-KYNO aptly points out – this isn’t about a quick fix. Nothing in radio is.

Come and talk to us in a year or two…
 
media buyer said:
I can tell you that from a buyer's prospective two trends don’t mean a thing… for that matter neither does one book… we generally look at a three or four book average.

So to pronounce the station a failure at this point seems a little foolish. As EX-KYNO aptly points out – this isn’t about a quick fix. Nothing in radio is.

Come and talk to us in a year or two…
I am curious media buyer, I agree with your thinking concerning KYNO-1300, but what about a radio station like KSTN-1420 (In Stockton). They have had this CLASSIC HITS for almost 10 years and has NEVER MADE IT IN THE BOOKS AT ALL! And they still play FM oriented music on the AM dial. Yes they do have MANCOW in the morning and Local Sports (as well as THE OAKLAND A's), but it is mostly Music. I am surprised they make money ar all but I assume Their CASH COW is REGIONAL MEXICAN KSTN-107.3 FM?
 
ExKynoJox said:
Do any of you who're predicting KYNO's demise know John? If you did, you'd know this format change isn't about a quick fix. You're thinking inside the traditional radio box.

I love this post. Apparently, running Dr. Laura, Bill O'Reilley and Dr. Dean Edell is outside the box ingenuity. Quick or slow, the way to compete with a heritage station is not to find all the programming they, KMJ, have tried and seen go down in flames on their 50,000 watt AM signal, and put all these rejects on your ex-Spanish, tin pot AM station. Pappas ran Bill O'Reilly on his solid FM station and never got out of the 1 shares. This appears to be ego outrunning business sense. I predict we will be having this same discussion in a year and we will then be told it takes a couple years.
 
Churchillis1 said:
ExKynoJox said:
Do any of you who're predicting KYNO's demise know John? If you did, you'd know this format change isn't about a quick fix. You're thinking inside the traditional radio box.

I love this post. Apparently, running Dr. Laura, Bill O'Reilley and Dr. Dean Edell is outside the box ingenuity. Quick or slow, the way to compete with a heritage station is not to find all the programming they, KMJ, have tried and seen go down in flames on their 50,000 watt AM signal, and put all these rejects on your ex-Spanish, tin pot AM station. Pappas ran Bill O'Reilly on his solid FM station and never got out of the 1 shares. This appears to be ego outrunning business sense. I predict we will be having this same discussion in a year and we will then be told it takes a couple years.

If that was John's only agenda, running some syndicated talk shows that failed, was his only objective here, I'd agree. I'd suggest the station will evolve and will find its niche as the programming evolves. The niche won't so much be the syndication per se, but, in whether John can establish KYNO in the community has he's done with KJWL. They'll need to add more local in time. It's way too early to pass judgement. If KYNO was owned by someone outside of Fresno, I'd say it's over. But, that's not the case.

If you want ego - then look at Pappas. His entire empire was a house of cards.

Chat with you next year at this time on the evolution of KYNO.
 
That being said, what will it take to (not beat) just compete with KMJ 580?
What lineup would you use? Where is the local talent - Autry is certainly not the answer.
There are a lot of unemployed talkers out there these days, but few with ties to the valley.
What about news staff, is it worth the effort?
 
freekobe said:
That being said, what will it take to (not beat) just compete with KMJ 580?
What lineup would you use? Where is the local talent - Autry is certainly not the answer.
There are a lot of unemployed talkers out there these days, but few with ties to the valley.
What about news staff, is it worth the effort?

Imus works in the morning and I think Dr, Laura works over time. Local news in the afternoon, fill the recently left void, maybe they could get Ron Shapley and Bill Curtis (wasn't he on KMPH?). Maybe a local host right up against Inga Barks, that's gotta be KMJ'S weak spot.
 
I don't understand. Imus and Dr. Laura are already there and they aren't drawing flies.

Has-beens won't attract a new audience. What kind of sense is that? Are you a programmer Brettbutler? If so, wow.
 
freekobe said:
I don't understand. Imus and Dr. Laura are already there and they aren't drawing flies.

Has-beens won't attract a new audience. What kind of sense is that? Are you a programmer Brettbutler? If so, wow.

Is it even fair to assess Imus and Dr. Laura when the station isn't even advertising the fact? Also, they run Imus live from 3a-7a. Instead ask if Dennis Miller is drawing flies. I like the guy, in general, but his radio schtick just doesn't cut it (of couse, in my so humble opinion).

As a long, long, long time listener of Imus, I think his show has gone downhill long before the over-the-top firing a couple years ago. When his radio show was broadcast on MSNBC inside the radio booth, it was much better and raw, spontaneous radio. Then it progressively became more choreographed as a TV format and the compelling figures like Fred Imus and Bernard McGuirk were pushed aside for his greening and cleaning, vaccine-paranoid wife and Rob Bartlett's lousy imitations. The recent incarnation of the show is even worse.

I don't know what the magic formula is for KYNO except perhaps for at least advertising their existence, just to start. If there's no one to draw locally, try these California-centric shows: Armstrong and Getty, Bill Handel, John and Ken. On weekends run the John Batchelor show.

My 2 cents.
 
freekobe said:
I don't understand. Imus and Dr. Laura are already there and they aren't drawing flies.

Has-beens won't attract a new audience. What kind of sense is that? Are you a programmer Brettbutler? If so, wow.

Who needs a new audience? An old one will work fine. It seems to me just to do the opposite of KMJ for any given day part. Does anyone even know this station is on the air?

BTW

John and Ken would be great! Could it be done?
Jerry Doyle at night. John and Jeff suck.
It really is too bad KYNO couldn't get Chris Daniel. Maybe Jaz McKay, but he sure does sound happy where he's at. Better station overall (I guess) too. A real provocative local show would likely be needed to ever do much more than a two share.

And no I am not a programmer, haven't worked in radio for years. If John likes what he sees he knows where to find me. ;)
 
Everyone in this market knows that John O. has a personal fire burning in his head to distroy KMJ even if it distroys him..and It probably will. The logic of taking ever loser program that bottomed out on KMJ and using it against KMJ is is solely the logic of someone who has lost control. And Alan Autry and a talk host? Gawd the man is boring, out of touch and might try doing a wee bit of research before he opens his mouth. I have heard from way too many people that Autry has never once picked up the phone to call his "good friend" Ray Appleton for some pointers and help. Even calls from Appleton have gone unreturned. The mentality of the entire organization seems to be quite small. I have never met either of the gentlemen but the product they produce is more indicative of vendetta then profit anfd entertainment.
 
DanielBoone said:
Also forgot to mention, during the night on 1300 KYNO I have been hearing continuous commercials (non-stop) along with the dead air time during the John and Jeff hours. There is a program on early Sunday mornings talking about rehab for alcoholics and drug attics, WHO CARES???? Just another reason why 1300 isn't going to last!

Maybe, I should start taking some Spanish courses, so I can start preparing myself to listen to the future of Spanish talk radio in Fresno.
UI can't hear KYNO at Night because of their Directional Pattern
 
DanielBoone said:
Also forgot to mention, during the night on 1300 KYNO I have been hearing continuous commercials (non-stop) along with the dead air time during the John and Jeff hours. There is a program on early Sunday mornings talking about rehab for alcoholics and drug attics, WHO CARES???? Just another reason why 1300 isn't going to last!

Maybe, I should start taking some Spanish courses, so I can start preparing myself to listen to the future of Spanish talk radio in Fresno.
 
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