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Is Letterman Getting Lazy?

I am a big Letterman fan. I think his show is much better than any other late night comedy and talk program. But in the last few years, I've noticed several sad facts...

1) Letterman does NO produced material anymore. He never goes out on the street in a pre-recorded bit. In the past, he and Paul might go to Central Park or get in a convertible with several models or just talk to people on the street. He doesn't even do flashbacks that might be recorded in his office or chat with a guest in the green room before the show begins.

2) Paul doesn't do these things anymore either. A few weeks ago, when we saw Paul eating a hamberger in his office, Letterman even said that was actually from a bit a few years ago which they recycled.

3) All bits are now done by his stage crew or Rupert Jee from the Hello Deli. Dave just shows up for his show and that's it. Even when the crew has to work on Labor Day or Thanksgiving and they show tape of the buffet they had earlier in the day, they make a joke about Dave not being there. (Often they'll have an arm waving through a window, saying that was Dave.)

4) No more Viewer Mail, where Dave had to answer the questions. Dave would rather introduce a fake commercial or a stage hand's produced bit for several mintues and not be on screen while it plays.

5) We see less bits that Dave has to conduct like "Dave's Record Collection" or "Charts and Graphs" or "Small Town News." It seems like any bit that requires Dave to be on camera and do the jokes has been cut way back.

6) Over reliance on weekly bits like "Stump The Band" or "Week in Review." It seems like every Thursday is Stump The Band or Know Your Cuts of Meat. Yes, that does require Dave to interact with the audience. But the bit he usually does with the intern Vicky where she calls him Mr. Kearny or some other incorrect name seems odd. They're both reading from cue cards like they can't even memorize the material, talking to each other while staring straight ahead, reading from the cards. At least when Dean Martin did it, he'd have two cue card holders so Dean and his guest could face each other.

7) From what I've heard, Dave only works three days a week. On Tuesday he tapes both Tuesday and Wednesday's shows. Wednesdays he tapes the Thursday and Friday shows. And he's off many more weeks than Leno.



Gregg
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Letterman's getting old

Other than the Top-10 List (which is still funny), Letterman has been unwatchable since about 1997. And I've been watching him since he was a weekend weatherman in Indianapolis in the early '70s. He used to be funny, but his act got old years ago. So did he.

He should think about retiring but who'd replace him? Jay Leno has Conan O'Brien taking over the Tonight Show in 2009 (a mistake in my vew - O'Brien's too "New York" to be successful nationwide at an earlier hour), but AFAIK, nobody is set to replace Letterman if he decides to hang it up.
 
Re: Letterman's getting old

The Late Show tapes both Thursday's and Friday's shows on Thursdays. I think its a 4 day workweek and they seem to work most major holidays (or at least air a new show on holidays, not that they are necessarily in the studio on a holiday taping a show).

I believe the last couple of years, Dave and Paul and many members of the staff went overseas to visit the troops in Iraq and other spots.

Most of the taped outside-the-studio bits these days are done by Stage Manager Biff Henderson who goes to certain places each year like Major League Baseball spring training sites (usually the Yankees)and perhaps spots like the Emmys and sometimes off-the-beaten-path areas like a fairly recent show where he visited a farmer's maze in a cornfield. Yes, he also relies on Rupert Gee for many bits from the Hello Deli.

Dave may have become somewhat formulaic but I'd still rather watch him than Leno. Leno was and always has been a horrible inteviewer. I've always found it painful to watch him. He was horrible when he subbed for Johnny, he was horrible when he took over for Johnny and he is worse now. I've never understood his appeal yet he somehow gets better ratings and his audience seems to be filled with the younger college-age group. It's like he's the late-night version of Bob Barker who also manages to get the younger college-age group.
 
Re: Letterman's getting old

but AFAIK, nobody
> is set to replace Letterman if he decides to hang it up.
>

Since Dave owns The Late Show, wouldn't he have a say in naming his successor?
 
Letterman's future replacement

> but AFAIK, nobody is set to replace Letterman if he decides to hang it up.
>
> Since Dave owns The Late Show, wouldn't he have a say in naming his successor?

I would think so, although CBS probably has the right of approval. He must not be thinking of retirement as yet.
 
I believe Dave tapes Monday-Thursday with two tapings on Thursday. He doesn't work Fridays. Jay Leno tapes Monday-Friday. Conan tapes Tuesday-Friday. Mondays are encore shows.
 
Re: Letterman's future replacement

> > but AFAIK, nobody is set to replace Letterman if he
> decides to hang it up.
> >
> > Since Dave owns The Late Show, wouldn't he have a say in
> naming his successor?
>
> I would think so, although CBS probably has the right of
> approval. He must not be thinking of retirement as yet.
>

Didn't Johnny own The Tonight Show (until he retired)? I believe he also owned Late Night with David Letterman. In any case, he did not pick his successor. I would guess Letterman owns the show as long as he does it and then it reverts to CBS. Also I doubt the name Late Show is protected by Trade Mark. The name was in generic use long before Letterman showed up. CBS O&O's (and lots of other stations) used to use it as the title for post 11 pm (10 pm Central) movies (theme: Syncopated Clock by Leroy Anderson).
 
Re: Letterman's future replacement

Letterman's production company (Worldwide Pants) owns the show following his, The Late Late Show, currently hosted by Craig Whatshisname (from the Drew Carey Show), and previously hosted by Craig "Craigers" Kilborn, and previously hosted before that by Tom Snyder.

Tom Snyder retired a few years back and Kilborn declined to renew his contract.

So one would think that Craig Whatshisname could be groomed to replace Dave. Or....whomever is hosting the Late Late Show at the time of Dave's retirement would be next in line.

I havent seen Craig Whatshisname enough (hardly at all, actually) to give a fair assessment. However, Kilborn would have done a good job.

Tom Snyder was more of a late late night guy...not sure he would have worked well in an 1135 timeslot. He is from the Carson/Jack Paar/Steve Allen era.
 
> I am a big Letterman fan. I think his show is much better
> than any other late night comedy and talk program. But in
> the last few years, I've noticed several sad facts...
>
> 1) Letterman does NO produced material anymore. He never
> goes out on the street in a pre-recorded bit. In the past,
> he and Paul might go to Central Park or get in a convertible
> with several models or just talk to people on the street.
> He doesn't even do flashbacks that might be recorded in his
> office or chat with a guest in the green room before the
> show begins.
>
> 2) Paul doesn't do these things anymore either. A few
> weeks ago, when we saw Paul eating a hamberger in his
> office, Letterman even said that was actually from a bit a
> few years ago which they recycled.
>
> 3) All bits are now done by his stage crew or Rupert Jee
> from the Hello Deli. Dave just shows up for his show and
> that's it. Even when the crew has to work on Labor Day or
> Thanksgiving and they show tape of the buffet they had
> earlier in the day, they make a joke about Dave not being
> there. (Often they'll have an arm waving through a window,
> saying that was Dave.)
>
> 4) No more Viewer Mail, where Dave had to answer the
> questions. Dave would rather introduce a fake commercial or
> a stage hand's produced bit for several mintues and not be
> on screen while it plays.
>
> 5) We see less bits that Dave has to conduct like "Dave's
> Record Collection" or "Charts and Graphs" or "Small Town
> News." It seems like any bit that requires Dave to be on
> camera and do the jokes has been cut way back.

I don't think Dave's becoming lazy, but if anyone recalls NBC claimed ownership over most of the stuff that was developed for Late Night, except "The Top 10 List".
>
> 6) Over reliance on weekly bits like "Stump The Band" or
> "Week in Review." It seems like every Thursday is Stump The
> Band or Know Your Cuts of Meat. Yes, that does require Dave
> to interact with the audience. But the bit he usually does
> with the intern Vicky where she calls him Mr. Kearny or some
> other incorrect name seems odd. They're both reading from
> cue cards like they can't even memorize the material,
> talking to each other while staring straight ahead, reading
> from the cards. At least when Dean Martin did it, he'd have
> two cue card holders so Dean and his guest could face each
> other.
>
> 7) From what I've heard, Dave only works three days a week.
> On Tuesday he tapes both Tuesday and Wednesday's shows.
> Wednesdays he tapes the Thursday and Friday shows. And he's
> off many more weeks than Leno.
>
>
>
> Gregg
> [email protected]
>
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Tom Snyder

> Tom Snyder retired a few years back and Kilborn declined to
> renew his contract.

I thought Snyder was forced out because CBS didn't like him.
You can be sure if its Westinghouse.<P ID="signature">______________
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You make very valid points...

You may be right, but then again I think your mostly wrong...

Yes, even I would agree that Leno's Monologue is much longer than his... Leno may enjoy the spotlight more... I think dave is more interested in a good laugh..

Dave definetly has better writers.. You can tell Dave still enjoys doing the show... He's sarcastic and witty, and still gets a good laugh...

Why should dave do produced segments? I don't think Biff Henderson, or the annoucer guy Alan Kaulter is getting old... The show comes together well... It all depends on what you think is funny... I tune in for the first half-hour and thats it... I want the comedy, don't care about the guests....

The only thing I dislike is the fact that the show is very disorganized... Outside of the monologue, the top ten list could be in the 3rd or 4th segment, or they could do an interview in the 2nd segment, and drag it on... Or, Dave will get carried away on a topic completly irrelevent, during the time he does the produced stuff, or "Quizes".. Generaly the stuff I like.. (the produced stuff, top ten, biff henderson) is in the first half-hour...



I used to watch him all the time but my work schedule doesnt call for it now... But thats just my opinion... I'll tune in Leno for "Headlines".. thats it...

This may not be completly related to the context of your post, but I just wanted to share my thoughts on the show...
 
Re: Letterman's getting old

> The Late Show tapes both Thursday's and Friday's shows on
> Thursdays. I think its a 4 day workweek and they seem to
> work most major holidays (or at least air a new show on
> holidays, not that they are necessarily in the studio on a
> holiday taping a show).
>
> I believe the last couple of years, Dave and Paul and many
> members of the staff went overseas to visit the troops in
> Iraq and other spots.
>
> Most of the taped outside-the-studio bits these days are
> done by Stage Manager Biff Henderson who goes to certain
> places each year like Major League Baseball spring training
> sites (usually the Yankees)and perhaps spots like the Emmys
> and sometimes off-the-beaten-path areas like a fairly recent
> show where he visited a farmer's maze in a cornfield. Yes,
> he also relies on Rupert Gee for many bits from the Hello
> Deli.
>
> Dave may have become somewhat formulaic but I'd still rather
> watch him than Leno. Leno was and always has been a
> horrible inteviewer. I've always found it painful to watch
> him. He was horrible when he subbed for Johnny, he was
> horrible when he took over for Johnny and he is worse now.
> I've never understood his appeal yet he somehow gets better
> ratings and his audience seems to be filled with the younger
> college-age group. It's like he's the late-night version of
> Bob Barker who also manages to get the younger college-age
> group.
>
I agree, Leno rubs me the way fingernails on a chalk board do most people. I am also taken aback by his constant requests for autographs from guests on their promo material, CD, Book, whatever.

I think naming Conan to take over in 2009 is ridiculous. So much will change in TV just in the next year that a 4 year prediction is unbelievable.

Dave has gotten older, and a bit more predictable, My wife says I have too. We have watched him now longer than 80% of marriages last, give the guy a break.

I for one and glad that Rupert has not gone $$ crazy like the 2 brothers who ran the trinket shop did.

Alan's bits seem to be getting grosser and grosser every time.

I would like to see Dave back on the street every now and then, But I also know he wants more time with Harry, so God Bless him.

I really liked Dave's tribute to Johnny at the Emmy's. No way Leno pulls that off.
 
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