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Is Paul Harvey "packaged"?

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ixnay

Since someone on R-I mentioned that Paul Harvey might not be long for his career, I better get this in...

Are stations that carry PH required to carry all three of his "elements" (for lack of a better word): the morning commentary, the midday commentary, and TROTS? IOW are the three elements "packaged"?

Or can they carry one or 2 elements but don't have to carry all three every day?

ixnay
 
> Are stations that carry PH required to carry all three of
> his "elements" (for lack of a better word): the morning
> commentary, the midday commentary, and TROTS? IOW are the
> three elements "packaged"?

A quick trip into PH's affiliate lists, and it would appear so. Other than stations that don't list a time for any of the features, I can't find one station that doesn't have times listed for all of 'em, including the Saturday noon show and the Saturday airing of ROTS.

<a target="_blank" href=http://www.paulharvey.com/affiliates/affiliates.shtml>http://www.paulharvey.com/affiliates/affiliates.shtml</a>

I haven't hit all 50 states yet, but each one I've pulled up has the stations carrying all the elements.

Of course, it is possible they all carry all the elements voluntarily, but it is easy to envision it being a part of the standard PH deal.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
I'd bet that ABC requires the Paul Harvey stations to take all three. I've never see a station that carries him that didn't carry the two newscasts and The Rest Of
The Story.
 
> I'd bet that ABC requires the Paul Harvey stations to take
> all three. I've never see a station that carries him that
> didn't carry the two newscasts and The Rest Of
> The Story.

I checked the affiliate lists on Paul Harvey's own website (www.paulharvey.com) and I did find one station (KTIP/Porterville CA) that only carries the noon newscast. Also, WYNK/Baton Rouge only carries the morning newscast, and WDQN-AM-FM/DuQuoin IL don't carry Rest of the Story.

However, many stations (KFMB/San Diego, plus some stations in AL, CT, FL, GA, IL, KY, MA, MD, ME, MI, MS, NC, NH, NY -- including WGR/Buffalo -- PA, SC, TN -- including WMC Memphis -- VA, VT, WI, and WV) are listed as affiliates with no broadcast times for any of the three shows; perhaps they only clear the commercials (possibly the stations I mentioned above clear the commercials for the programs they don't air?).

Most of the "no times listed" stations are in the South and New England ... I wonder if there is any significance to that fact? Virtually no stations west of the Mississippi, with the exception of KFMB, are listed as affiliates without (apparently) carrying the programming.

Quirkily, KVEN/Ventura CA carries the noon news at 7:30am ... I'm guessing it is on a one-day delay, since IIRC the first feed is at 12:06pm ET/9:06am PT.<P ID="signature">______________


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> Most of the "no times listed" stations are in the South and
> New England ... I wonder if there is any significance to
> that fact? Virtually no stations west of the Mississippi,
> with the exception of KFMB, are listed as affiliates without
> (apparently) carrying the programming.

I know one station in Indiana that took Paul Harvey off the air after the network wanted additional monetary compensation as well as playing ABC inventory all day. That station had the whole package. Were there other stations that balked when additional dollars came up, and were there replacements in that market for the show?
 
> However, many stations (KFMB/San Diego, plus some stations
> in AL, CT, FL, GA, IL, KY, MA, MD, ME, MI, MS, NC, NH, NY --
> including WGR/Buffalo -- PA, SC, TN -- including WMC Memphis
> -- VA, VT, WI, and WV) are listed as affiliates with no
> broadcast times for any of the three shows; perhaps they
> only clear the commercials (possibly the stations I
> mentioned above clear the commercials for the programs they
> don't air?).

Paul Harvey is no longer on WMC in Memphis. He's on WREC AM 600 now.
 
> Quirkily, KVEN/Ventura CA carries the noon news
> at 7:30am...I'm guessing it is on a one-day delay,
> since IIRC the first feed is at 12:06pm ET/9:06am PT.

While 12:06pm ET is the often-promoed air time for
the midday broadcast, the first (live) feed is at
11:35am ET. Which explains how many affiliates run
the show at/about 11:45am ET, just before El Rushbo.


Another angle on the "packaged" scenario...

Wasn't there an earlier discussion on Radio-Info that
affiliates had to run the entire broadcast, including
--for example on the 8:30am ET morning show--the
opening and closing sponsorship billboards voiced by
Paul Jr.?

KTAR Phoenix (KT'R to us locals) delays the 6:30am MT
show about eight minutes, and always starts it at his
"Good Morning, Americans" greeting, after a direct toss
from one of the local anchor/hosts (sometimes even with
a rather smarmy "now here's Paul"). They also dump out
right after "Paul Harvey......good day!" No billboards
or system cue.
 
> > I'd bet that ABC requires the Paul Harvey stations to take
>
> > all three. I've never see a station that carries him that
>
> > didn't carry the two newscasts and The Rest Of
> > The Story.
>
> I checked the affiliate lists on Paul Harvey's own website
> (www.paulharvey.com) and I did find one station
> (KTIP/Porterville CA) that only carries the noon newscast.
> Also, WYNK/Baton Rouge only carries the morning newscast,
> and WDQN-AM-FM/DuQuoin IL don't carry Rest of the Story.
>

As out of date as that list is (a lot of CC stations still listed that dropped PH last year; our AM dropped in October due to format change but is still there, etc.) I wouldn't trust the times listed, either.

As I understand it, you must be an affiliate of one of the ABC networks in order to have Paul Harvey. (The station may not necessarily carry ABC newscasts, but they're running the spots.)

You also must carry all three programs.

And if you want to add Paul and you're too close to an existing station, you need written permission from that station. When we added PH in 1990, we needed permission from one AM to carry on our AM, but two FMs to put it on our FM. One FM refused, so we didn't get PH for our FM for a few years until that station changed hands and the new owners said OK.

When ABC split into four networks in the 60s, PH was on the ABC/E schedule, but those affiliates didn't necessarily get PH... I think it ususally was determined by who was already running him. Later, when ABC had six nets, PH was supposidly only available to the "full-service" networks, Information, Entertainment, Direction, but there were some exceptions.

> Quirkily, KVEN/Ventura CA carries the noon news at 7:30am
> ... I'm guessing it is on a one-day delay, since IIRC the
> first feed is at 12:06pm ET/9:06am PT.
>
Probably a mistake on the list, although I know of one station running the Rest of the Story on a delay to 6:25am the next morning.

The first feed for years has been a "pre-feed" at 11:35am ET, which you weren't supposed to carry live but as of next Monday (or was it this Monday?) it moves to 11:44am to make it easier for stations running it before Rush at noon. On Saturdays, the first feed is at 11:10am ET. (I'm guessing that's to accomodate stations wanting to get it in before college football pre-game starts.)
 
Paul Harvey "packaged" - with Paul Jr.'s billboards?

> Another angle on the "packaged" scenario...
>
> Wasn't there an earlier discussion on Radio-Info that
> affiliates had to run the entire broadcast, including
> --for example on the 8:30am ET morning show--the
> opening and closing sponsorship billboards voiced by
> Paul Jr.?
>
> KTAR Phoenix (KT'R to us locals) delays the 6:30am MT
> show about eight minutes, and always starts it at his
> "Good Morning, Americans" greeting, after a direct toss
> from one of the local anchor/hosts (sometimes even with
> a rather smarmy "now here's Paul"). They also dump out
> right after "Paul Harvey......good day!" No billboards
> or system cue.
>

If there is, neither of Paul's Cleveland affils, WTAM/1100- Cleveland and WEOL/930- Elyria follow it. Usually, both stations now dump the closing billboard for a 10-sec promo (as in "Paul Harvey: 8:30, 12:30, and 3:30 - weekdays only on Radio WXXX"), but still carry the opening billboard. WTAM's done this since 1997, when they still were with ABC-I, and WEOL's done this since 2004.

WTAM, a CC station, used to use an ABC sounder underneath Paul Jr.'s intro, but now it's a generic sounder after they switched to a FNR affil. Locally owned WEOL, still affiliated with ABC-D, takes it cold.

- Nathan Obral<P ID="signature">______________
WTAM/1100: An Abuse of Radio Power!</P>
 
Are there any markets where Paul is heard on two stations? Here in Jackson, both WJDX-AM 620 and WQJQ 105.1 carry him. Both are owned by Clear Channel, so there is no conflict there.
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"...and the countdown continues until the neanderthals that govern college football do something about their pathetic postseason."--Tim Brando, Sporting News Radio</P>
 
> > Most of the "no times listed" stations are in the South
> and
> > New England ... I wonder if there is any significance to
> > that fact? Virtually no stations west of the Mississippi,
>
> > with the exception of KFMB, are listed as affiliates
> without
> > (apparently) carrying the programming.
>
> I know one station in Indiana that took Paul Harvey off the
> air after the network wanted additional monetary
> compensation as well as playing ABC inventory all day. That
> station had the whole package. Were there other stations
> that balked when additional dollars came up, and were there
> replacements in that market for the show?
>


This brings up the question.....still unanswered in this thread.....

Are stations REQUIRED to carry all three?

My take....

If you have the rights to Paul Harvey...the single largest advertiser friendly broadcaster in the world....and you have a snowball's chance in hell to sell him....why WOULDN"T you carry all of the shows....whether you were contractually required to or not?
 
>
> If you have the rights to Paul Harvey...the single largest
> advertiser friendly broadcaster in the world....and you have
> a snowball's chance in hell to sell him....why WOULDN"T you
> carry all of the shows....whether you were contractually
> required to or not?
>

Bread and butter for many smaller stations across the country. Guaranteed money for the fortunate account exec that gets to sell Harvey.....
 
> This brings up the question.....still unanswered in this
> thread.....
>
> Are stations REQUIRED to carry all three?

No, I answered it a couple of days ago. You do have to run all three PH programs M-F and the 2 on Saturday.

>
> My take....
>
> If you have the rights to Paul Harvey...the single largest
> advertiser friendly broadcaster in the world....and you have
> a snowball's chance in hell to sell him....why WOULDN"T you
> carry all of the shows....whether you were contractually
> required to or not?
>
Exactly... any station that is going to run one might as well run all three.
It's been awhile since I've seen our Paul Harvey contract, but you might be able to get away with only running the spots, I'm not sure. (ABC doesn't care if you run any of their hourly newscasts, but you must run the spots.)
 
> This brings up the question.....still unanswered in this
> thread.....
>
> Are stations REQUIRED to carry all three?
>

I worked for a Non-ABC station that did carry PH and was required as such to run about 18 minutes a day of ABC inventory per day. With that kind of price I would carry the three a day PH- plus the two weekend airings!
 
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