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Is the format name the problem to the listening audience?

Re: oldies-fast food

> a Big Mac with a talk-up over "Eat It" by Wierd Al-- I LOVE
> IT! (or is that,
> "I'm lovin' it"?).
>
>
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Re: format name

> > > > have a Hot AC-sounding Muzak® channel.
> > > That is usually the case.
> >
> > Same around here. I suspect it's to motivate us old farts
> to
> > use the drive-thru, and save the seats for the kids.

Just because they play Hot AC music, doesn't mean that people in their 50s won't like it.

> Dunno about that. I'm in my mid-50s and I kind of like that
> mix. Could do without the rowdy kids though... :-/
>
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Re: format name

> > > You hear "Oldies" and think of old people in rocking
> > chairs?
> > > People in their 40s and 50s in rocking chairs?
> > >
> > > Your subsequent points reinforce my thoughts on your
> > opening
> > > paragraph: the youth of America should really stop
> doing
> > so
> > > much ecstacy.
> > >
> > > We are indeed fortunate you ARE an outsider- please stay
>
> > > out. thanks.
> >
> > OldiesCat:
> >
> > Don't you think you're NOT being tough enough on the
> Beaver?
> >
> > Why's this 22-year-old wasting his time even listening to
> > our
> > old peoplez (40+) "has been" media? Do they play oldies
> > stations
> > at McDonalds? And who/what the hells Cherry Popping
> > whatevers?
> >
>
> They play oldies at Wendys.
>
> Whoever said the thing about old people in rocking chairs is
> really incorrect. Your saying by 56 year old aunt sits in a
> rocking chair knitting sweaters for her grandchildren? A)
> She doesn't have grandchildren B) She goes to work 5 days a
> week 8 hours a day C) She listen to the radio. I know, odd
> post, but true.
>
. . . at 52+, I'll lay bets that I work as hard (or harder) than most 20ish people.
 
Re: oldies-fast food

The other day, I visited a McDonald's in my hometown of Norwood, Massachusetts, and they were playing Boston's WMJX-106.7, which is a soft AC format targetted at "soccer moms" as well as being the market's top-rated music station.
 
Re: name a problem?

> > I've spend a great part of my life in the Detroit area and
>
> > don't know what you are talking about.
> >
> > "Oldies" is a brand name, developed out of the mid '80s
> and
> > taken from baby boomers- it's how they described their
> > music. It basically stands for Top 40 hits from the late
> > '50s into the mid '70s.
>
> "developed out of the mid '80s"? Wrong wrong wrong wrong
> wrong.
>
> In south Florida, our first oldies station was WAXY-FM,
> which went on the air in 1973 or 74! So they hardly had
> mid-70s songs. And they didn't limit themselves to late 50s
> either. Remember Earth Angel? What was that, '53?
>
> Then in '81 we had oldies on WVCG for a few years, and then
> we had WBSS Blue Suede Radio when they went off.
>
> Finally, since the mid-80s we've had WMXJ, although they've
> cut most of the 50s and early 60s from their playlist a few
> years ago. Not much good stuff left.
>
> Trivia Footnote: Mindy Lang was on WVCG and WBSS, and is now
> music director at WMXJ. Talented and a looker, too.
>
>
>
> Pictured items are from the South Florida Radio Pages.
>
> Also see Rick Shaw's article.
>
> 73s from 954
>
It's a shame the way the playlist at WMXJ has gone. They have such great talent there. I stream the station to hear the voices more than I do the music anymore.
I'll take WVCG and WBSS's playlist over WMXJ's anytime.
 
Re: name a problem?

Just so you know, I still have a 98 Blue Suede Radio tee shirt in great condition. If I had a digital camera, I would send a picture.


> In south Florida, our first oldies station was WAXY-FM,
> which went on the air in 1973 or 74! So they hardly had
> mid-70s songs. And they didn't limit themselves to late 50s
> either. Remember Earth Angel? What was that, '53?
>
> Then in '81 we had oldies on WVCG for a few years, and then
> we had WBSS Blue Suede Radio when they went off.
>
> Finally, since the mid-80s we've had WMXJ, although they've
> cut most of the 50s and early 60s from their playlist a few
> years ago. Not much good stuff left.
>
> Trivia Footnote: Mindy Lang was on WVCG and WBSS, and is now
> music director at WMXJ. Talented and a looker, too.
>
>
>
> Pictured items are from the South Florida Radio Pages.
>
> Also see Rick Shaw's article.
>
> 73s from 954
>
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Blue Suede Radio T-shirt

> Just so you know, I still have a 98 Blue Suede Radio tee
> shirt in great condition. If I had a digital camera, I
> would send a picture.

Yes, I had one, too.

Similar to the design of the matchbook I posted on this thread, but blue and yellow on white?

Mine became a rag years ago, and I think it's long gone.

73s from 954
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Oldies - Art Laboe

> The term oldies was defined on the air with Art Laboe in
> 1960.

Thanks for settling that, Peppertree!

I see that the character who insists that the term Oldies
originated in the 80s (and accuses those who disagree of
being on crack) hasn't found the new oldies origins
thread yet. Lotsa interesting info there.

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Re: the term Oldies

Few scattered stations:

WOR-FM, WPEN, WCAU-FM, WCBS-FM, WROR-FM (all I can think of).

From the jingles & airchecks I've listened to, oldies as a forman moniker didnt come into popular use post-1975.
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Re: the term Oldies...WPEN

Back seat memories, WPEN. They had great jingles. They were spinning oldies with a lot of doo-wop in 1975 and 1976. A remnant of their format was the Saturday Night Show, that played all oldies. They kept that until at least 1979 but probably longer. I think it may have moved to their FM-WMGK Magic.

I forgot the jock's first name, but his last name is St. John. Ron St. John?
I also don't remember if he played the great jingles on the show, but he might have.


> Few scattered stations:
>
> WOR-FM, WPEN, WCAU-FM, WCBS-FM, WROR-FM (all I can think
> of).
>
> From the jingles & airchecks I've listened to, oldies as a
> forman moniker didnt come into popular use post-1975.
>
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Re: the term Oldies...WPEN

> I forgot the jock's first name, but his last name is St.
> John. Ron St. John?
> I also don't remember if he played the great jingles on the
> show, but he might have.

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Re: the term Oldies...WPEN

Thanks. When I was at Drexel, in 1977, one of the few oldies shows around was Mike St. John on Saturday night. I am from Brooklyn, NY and he introduced me to the Philadelphia brand of oldies music.

Some other shows in Philadelphia that I enjoyed while at Drexel were:

Rock And Roll Roots on WMMR Saturday morning, I think that was Rod Carson.
Memory Lane on WIP weeknights from 10-11.
Bob Pantano on Saturday nights on WCAU-FM
(Harvey) Holiday on Sunday on WDAS-FM
Some guy said he was Reel Don Steele (though he wasn't) on WKXW-KIX 101.5 on Sunday night with an oldies show.

There were others as well, including my show on WKDU. My air name was Steve in the morning.

And when I first got to WKDU, Mark Silver did an oldies show on Saturday night.


> > I forgot the jock's first name, but his last name is St.
> > John. Ron St. John?
> > I also don't remember if he played the great jingles on
> the
> > show, but he might have.
>
> Mike St. John - a great jock who was axed from WOGL 2 years
> ago...
>
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> "Oldies" is a demographic nightmare. I am 22 and I
> recognize the format's connotations are not pretty. I see
> old people in rocking chairs. They are eating prunes and
> suffering from kidney stones.

...and I see you've gotten a pretty good lambasting for an inaccurante stereotype.

Don't feel bad. In a wacky kind of way, I suffer from people inaccurately stereotyping *me* based solely on my age.

You see, at age 47, I fit pretty neatly into what seems to pass for the "Oldies" demo these days.

Truth be told, though, while I was brought up with the music, and genuinely liked it at one time, I've greatly burned out on it.

It isn't at all that the music is bad! I have nothing whatsoever against the music that the folks on this board love.

However, Top-40 Radio and I parted ways in 1973 because I could no longer relate to the music. (Surviving David Cassidy, Bobby Sherman, and the Jackson Five had already left me a bit queasy.) At that time, I discovered a Miles Davis album in my high school's library, and became a die-hard jazz/big band fan. (Got to meet Stan Kenton twice, and Buddy Rich and Maynard Ferguson once each.)

When I got my first radio gig in 1977, of course, "oldies" was part of the overall format (known then as "AOR".."All Over The Road," as so many small-market AM's did back then). So, I guess I had some catching up to do!

Anyway, by my calculations, I've played The Beatles' "Michelle" no fewer than 5,000 times over the course of my radio life. The song is great, but the number of repititions has apparently numbed me...I can't even *hear* the song any more!

That's why I got into Standards radio in 1999, where I've been ever since. This is a vast, great library that I had formerly scorned as "square." But, not only am I discovering something I apparently missed, it offers me relief from multiple-thousand plays of worn-out songs.

Because I'm so anxious to hear *anything* different these days, I've even started taking to classical music. My new favorite CD is Lucia Micarelli's debut.

The point is, my age seems to disenfranchise me. It is automatically assumed that "Oldies" is the "soundtrack of my life," when nothing could be further from the truth. My favorite radio station in high school was one in Madison, WI, where they skillfully mixed Emmylou Harris, Leo Kottke, Pink Floyd, Starcastle, and any number of other disparate styles into one seamless tapestry...unlike "Jack."

Could it be that there are more people like me who are just plain burning out on the "Oldies" format as it stands now, and are looking elsewhere for fulfillment these days?

If so, then maybe the name "Oldies" isn't the real problem here.

I truly mean no offense whatsoever to the fine folks and fine music on this board, and I'm not trying to start a fight. I'm only trying to say why any attempt to pigeonhole me and figure that I'll buy a certain product simply because I'm 47 and therefore "must have tickets to the new Stones tour" will ultimately fail.

(I remember commenting to an ad agency friend of mine how grating one of their jingles was that they had written for a local client. I'll never forget the response: "We sat a group of people your age down, and they told us that this is the music style 'you' like." And, because she couldn't accept that *I didn't* like it, that turned out to be the end of the discussion.)

Not trying to make the discussion murkier, I'm hoping this at least adds some perspective.

I certainly hope "Oldies" as this group seems to like it never dies as a format, but a reinvention of the format seems inevitable.

Regards,
Ken Clark
 
I bought my first Big Band album in 1973 when I was 14. I have liked Big Band and fast jazz since then and I keep finding new people from decades past who made great music. First on my list is Roy Eldridge (Little Jazz). I even attended his funeral in 1989.

With that said, nothing hits the spot like good old rock and roll. But I don't like hearing the same songs all over either.
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